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Re: Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight... 

Post#321 » by AmazingJason » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:34 am

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Phil has had more pull with Dolan than anyone ever has, and that includes Melo. It even includes Isiah. Say what you will about Dolan, but he's not a total idiot. He's a very rich businessman, with the type of money that would put Melo's bank account to shame, and he put Phil in total control of one of his greatest assets (the entire Knicks franchise).

Melo is merely a player, and WAS a star. That star is fading fast, and Dolan would have to be brain dead to "side" with Melo at this point. I honestly believe Dolan would be all ears if Phil went to him and said, "look Jim.. I kept Melo on board like you wished, and I tried to build a winner around him with what we had to work with, but it's not going well and Melo is declining rapidly. It's clear to see that KP is our guy to build around, and luckily we've set ourselves up with a plan B, C and D in the likely event that Melo doesn't pan out as a championship caliber leader/contract. Let's try to nudge Melo in another direction, let Derrick walk, and let's get started on plan B or C because it's your best chance at fielding a winner any time soon".

Is that really so hard to believe? I think Dolan bending over for Melo is a myth at this point. It seems to me that he bent over for Phil a while ago, and that he practically wants nothing to do with the team at this point in his life. Add the sudden star power of KP, and I don't think Dolan would bat an eye at getting rid of a washed up Melo. Business is business.

As for Melo getting his number retired- I think that's another one of those things you've been pedaling as a fact when it's very far from a guarantee. Melo has put up some gaudy numbers, made the all-star team every year, and had a couple of "historic moments" in the garden during what was mostly a meaningless tenure as a Knick. Cool. Truth is, he hasn't helped this team win jack sh*t besides the pick that landed us KP. Hasn't even taken this team to the playoffs more than twice. One of those years, he needed a slew of vets to provide all the leadership. The other, he came in half way through the year after Amar'e did most of the leg work, and after he forced a trade here months before becoming a FA and depleted the team like the bozo that he is. What has he done to deserve his name in the rafters anymore than Bernard King or even Houston/Spree???

Only thing Melo has been successful with in NY has been his own personal business. And I tip my cap to him for that because I wish I had his money. But purely from a Knicks fan's perspective, he's been a huge failure and proved to be about half the player LeBron and Wade are. Great scorer, decent rebounder, marketable dude, wonderful player on an Olympic team full of all-world talent that know how to play team ball and get him easy looks. And that's about it. A lot more than most NBA players could ever say, but still not enough for a highly paid guy who hi-jacked the franchise and continues to hi-jack the team's offense and hold the franchise hostage with a NTC he didn't deserve.

F your farewell tour and your spot in the rafters for Melo's number 7. Knicks fans don't wanna hear it. We never cared that much about the dude. We wanted to, but he never earned it. Plain and simple.


He seems to be a good family man too, which I respect.


Absolutely. Seems like a great dad and a great husband. Has a beautiful family and is ultra successful in many facets of life. He's also admired by his peers and loved by his friends. Charitable and all that.

I have to make it clear, my only disdain for Melo comes from my undying love for the Knicks. Even calling him a bozo is probably too much, but I'm mad. I think he sucks as a teammate. Maybe not in the locker room or on the plane, but come tip-off, I see him as a selfish player who could never be the focal point of a great offense that truly benefits his team. Nevermind the defensive side of the ball.

The fact remains- likely the most famous thing Melo will have ever done in the Garden is punch Mardy Collins as a Nugget. I just want to move on from this era. Melo was a bust.


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Post#322 » by CJackson » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:35 am

Red Vines wrote:Hornacek made his career in the 90s when competition was brutal, he's tough as nails, I don't think some people realize this. Because he wasn't phased by Markieff Morris I think has some misreading him.


Agreed, lots of assumptions being made about Jeff being the soft one.

Or just maybe the current lack of cohesion is due to Jeff not suffering the BS previous coaches tolerated and the team is splitting up into factions or just waiting it out while they see what the Melo-Drama turns into.

Much as people rightfully bemoan Noah's limited abilities he is still a team player and I cannot imagine he is OK with this BS

How is it that some are saying even tonight stuff like Melo will always be a good presence in the locker room? Says who? Sources?

Plenty have noted lately how Melo stays off to himself at timeouts and warmups. He's the # 1 Guy on the team and if there are problems now it is more likely revolving around him than due to Jeff being a pushover.

One star player who doesn't give effort and has a crap attitude can destroy morale and what Jeff has to do is find a way to deal with it using tough love. Cutting minutes or benching him are part of that. We'll see how he follows through.
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Post#323 » by Shoryuken » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:36 am

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Carmelo Anthony said the Knicks are on the same page. Noah said they're all over the place.

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Post#324 » by CJackson » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:37 am

Bill Pidto wrote:The fact remains- likely the most famous thing Melo will have ever done in the Garden is punch Mardy Collins as a Nugget. I just want to move on from this era. Melo was a bust.


Carmelo Anthony vs. Rhonda Rousey is going to be a blockbuster fight!
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Post#325 » by Blockwatcher » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:38 am

dablackprodigy wrote:lol a 3 game win streak will fix everything


O it's coming , I figure right around early to mid April when we need to lose just 1 of our final 3 to clinch the most ping pong balls... that'll be prime time for a 3 game win streak
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Post#326 » by AmazingJason » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:38 am

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dablackprodigy wrote:lol a 3 game win streak will fix everything


O it's coming , I figure right around early to mid April when we need to lose just 1 of our final 3 to clinch the most ping pong balls... that'll be prime time for a 3 game win streak


Chasson Randle going to be the new Tim Hardaday Jr. :lol:
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Post#327 » by Jessie 2k18 » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:39 am

I'm completely done with melo..Why ? Because every freaking year we bring different players whether young or old and we still manage to suck ,we have blamed so many players ,We trade them thinking they were the problem .I like melo I do he's a nice guy .but I notice something tonight and the fact that everyone in the locker room looked pissed and tired of losing " And there you see melo smiling ! The dude doesn't give a **** .
You think players like lee, noah ,rose , are used to losing like this ?
Go ahead bring in Cp3 , Rudy gay , etc draft new players as long as melo continues to be on this team not give a rats ass ,This franchise will continue to suck . Dolan another loser who doesn't give a crap .You think if this was the late Yankees owner George steinbrenner "This garbage losing mentality will have gone on ? No. he would have probably threaten to fire the whole managing staff and threaten to trade every single player if they don't get their act together .Dolan doesn't give a flying f** because all he cares about is selling out MSG .
Like I said melo is the catalyst he has infected every new player that comes here with his nonchalant attitude of not caring when they lose .
Doesn't show anger ,Doesn't call out the team ,Doesn't care about playing defense . Doesn't care if they're bad or mediocre .etc
Than we hire a weak ass coach" I'm done I think its time for someone to be benched . And lance Thomas is garbage I think he will be the first one out the door as well with some other bench players .So done .
Dolan ,please someone needs to be held responsible .James harden came off the bench for Houston and look how much he has improved now as a starter . And its not a surprise that certain players that leave the Knicks become better on other teams, while we continue to suck ? Maybe because they have coaches that know what they're doing and bench players who should be benched "Heck popovich has done it Does hornacek have the guts to bench one of the starters ?
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Post#328 » by FemaleDogPlease » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:39 am

Shoryuken wrote:Al_Iannazzone
Carmelo Anthony said the Knicks are on the same page. Noah said they're all over the place.

:lol:


Tyson Chandler 2.0. except this time we don't get a year of great play.
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Post#329 » by Jeffrey » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:39 am

If Jeff Hornaceck gets fired after this season.. NO NBA team is going to fault him. Everyone will point to the Knicks and say same old ****
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Post#330 » by AmazingJason » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:39 am

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Bill Pidto wrote:The fact remains- likely the most famous thing Melo will have ever done in the Garden is punch Mardy Collins as a Nugget. I just want to move on from this era. Melo was a bust.


Carmelo Anthony vs. Rhonda Rousey is going to be a blockbuster fight!


Carmelo would win. He's much better at backpedaling than Rhonda :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
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Post#331 » by FutureKnicksGM » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:40 am

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Just got a text from a person close to a new Knicks player. "He didn't come to New York for this" ...it's make or break time for this group.


Probably Lee. He seems like the only recent FA with the pride at this stage.


Definitely Lee. Saw him chase Meeks around a couple of picks with a lane opening up for Meeks when Rose didn't step in the lane. Lee fouled him and then went straight to Rose and told him where he needs to be.
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Post#332 » by Thugger HBC » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:40 am

Time to bring ol' girl out now. This team is garbage.

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Post#333 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:40 am

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Here we go, folks.


F*ck Begley for even going there without any evidence. And, while I'm at it, I'll give James Dolan a preemptive "F*ck You!" just in case he's even thinking of thinking his nose into this situation.
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Post#334 » by Besart19 » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:42 am

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Post#335 » by TheBigBoss » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:42 am

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spree8 wrote:It's bitter sweet for me because after fighting for so long with people here about how we should tank, I accepted we weren't and actually believed we could be ECF/Finals contenders this year...sucks, but I was right all along.

Melo is one stubborn SOB tho...the only way he requests a trade is if we continue to lose, and the fans get on him hard during home games.

It's up to us to run him outta town...don't let up on the booing every single home game when he touches the ball. Even start "trade Carmelo" chants.. It's the only way.


Yeah that's a great way to attracted future FA's....


Not only that, but the 7 year clock (2 more rookie contract years + 5 year reup) starts for Porzingis' departure from NY, no way will he want to stay in a place that would do that to his friend and a hometown guy. If NY fans would do that to one of their own, then why not him? No one wants to play for a fan base like that. Unless we won a championship on that timeframe, he likely jumps ship elsewhere.
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Post#336 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:42 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Time for Phil to go to Melo and say "It's over. Figure out where you want to go." That's it.


Does no good if Melo wants to stay. We can all wish and pray but nothing going to happen unless Melo wants it.


We can make it very public and very intolerable here for him. Just starting cutting his playing time. Easy peasy, lemon-squeezy.
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Post#337 » by Adelheid » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:42 am

3toheadmelo wrote:damn that hornacek vid of him walking away when melo went iso was discouraging


do you have links? wanna see it.
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Post#338 » by CJackson » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:42 am

AmazingJason wrote:
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Bill Pidto wrote:The fact remains- likely the most famous thing Melo will have ever done in the Garden is punch Mardy Collins as a Nugget. I just want to move on from this era. Melo was a bust.


Carmelo Anthony vs. Rhonda Rousey is going to be a blockbuster fight!


Carmelo would win. He's much better at backpedaling than Rhonda :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:


I do think Rhonda would get flustered by the jab steps, but she knows about his allergy to arrows so its a close call
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Post#339 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:43 am

Adelheid wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Time for Phil to go to Melo and say "It's over. Figure out where you want to go." That's it.


...or else what? Dont think Melo can be coerced just like that.


Cut his playing time.
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Post#340 » by Iron Mantis » Tue Jan 3, 2017 4:44 am

Tried to tell y'all those early wins were fools gold. Only beating easy teams while at MSG, playing sloppy, no defense and inconsistent effort.

The way the Knicks were pulling out those wins it was obvious they would get exposed as the season matured.

But hey, at least the Knicks are still beating the teams they are supposed to beat, right?.....right?

The tank is in full effect.
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