Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis

El Poochio · Post #321 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:43 pm

Mecca wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
Mecca wrote:
Crawford has negative value and they can't give us a pick until 2020.

You want their picks beyond 2020 anyway man, imagine you were the Boston now and Clips Brooklyn

If we trade with the Clipps, then that's what I'd want, but I rather not trade with them.

This or next year's Brooklyn pick is the ideal but outside of that havent seen a better suggestion than future firsts of an old team

Post #322 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:43 pm

NYKnicksTAPE wrote:I'm not gonna lie, Melo in LAC with CP3, Blake, and Deandre would be fun to watch

It's should be fun to watch.

I always point to this game as the correct way to use Melo offensively. They were able to accomplish this with the Felton / Tyson PnR. With CP3 & Deandre, it will be even more potent.

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IllmaticHandler · Post #323 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:44 pm

Mecca wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
Crawford has negative value and they can't give us a pick until 2020.

I'd rather get late unprotected picks form them. CP3 and Melo will be 35+...blake might not even be there. THose could eventually be really nice lotto picks.

If you're willing to wait 4 years for an asset to pay off, then so be it. The time that rookie develops it'll be 2023

So you saying we would wait 6 years for that asset to pay off if the pick is not a bust? :lol:

EchelonNYK · Post #324 » by **EchelonNYK** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:44 pm

For those voting "Nowhere".

F N 11 · Post #325 » by **F N 11** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:45 pm

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IllmaticHandler · Post #326 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:

At All cost you maximize the value .Picks 4 years from now is no good to me.You also not getting a couple of firsts for him. You Trade a player of Melo caliber and that asset should benefit you in the short term.

we are not building in the "short" term if we deal melo. This is not a future team. You don't trade away your best player to try to get better in the short term.

This obviously is turning into a KP's the man and we are going to build around his window which is the next couple of season until we are probably good.

I'm not trying to get short term players. We need to have a longer view. Down the road. The type of deal like the celtics which is reaping the rewards 3-4 years down the road.

Also if we got Blake or Love somehow they should be traded as well. Neither is as good as melo is in the short term and all the would be doing is keeping us status quo. If you get love or blake you move them for future picks.

I think Mecca said it best. We will be waiting for 6-7 years for that asset to pay off. Im good. Find me picks sooner.

Post #327 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm

Mecca wrote:
If you're willing to wait 4 years for an asset to pay off, then so be it. The time that rookie develops it'll be 2023

but they become assets. The type of assets that might land you a future Jimmy Butler in a trade.

You see what I'm saying its not about the picks its about the future asset. Yes the pick maybe 2020. But if we are good in 2019 with KP and say Fultz or Ball. Maybe we use that pick to trade for a wing player that puts us over the top with that pick.

Trading an older asset for a future asset is always good when you are rebuilding.

Mecca · Post #328 » by **Mecca** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:

At All cost you maximize the value .Picks 4 years from now is no good to me.You also not getting a couple of firsts for him. You Trade a player of Melo caliber and that asset should benefit you in the short term.

we are not building in the "short" term if we deal melo. This is not a future team. You don't trade away your best player to try to get better in the short term.

This obviously is turning into a KP's the man and we are going to build around his window which is the next couple of season until we are probably good.

I'm not trying to get short term players. We need to have a longer view. Down the road. The type of deal like the celtics which is reaping the rewards 3-4 years down the road.

Also if we got Blake or Love somehow they should be traded as well. Neither is as good as melo is in the short term and all the would be doing is keeping us status quo. If you get love or blake you move them for future picks.

But a 2021 pick doesn't develop until the year 2023-2024. That is still 7 years from today. That makes the rebuild 3 years longer.

Post #329 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm

I hope they keep Reddick. Taking on Rivers should net us more assets or better assets back. Which should be the only motivation for this team in a Melo deal.

Just don't trust PJax to think that way

El Poochio · Post #330 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm

AmazingJason wrote:Jordan
Griffin
Melo
Rivers
Paul

Do it, Doc!

Tanking and drafting is cool but most of the time you dont get players caliber of CP3 Griffin Melo, I mean you have CP3 what are you doing if you dont go all in

Sark · Post #331 » by **Sark** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm

echelonNYK wrote:The Knicks are about get fleeced. Per usual.

It's fine. We were never getting fair value back because of the NTC. I've been saying we're getting JJ/Crawford or Shump/R Jefferson since the beginning of the year. As long as a pick gets thrown in, it's good for us because we finally move in a known direction.

AmazingJason · Post #332 » by **AmazingJason** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm

SuperflyKnick wrote:
Damas wrote:Why would Boston who is doing well, give up a bunch of picks to get a washed up 32 year old in Melo?

Washed up ? Seriously just made the guy sound 40

Think the deal ends up being LAC. Rivers is a win-at-all-costs GM.

Problem with Boston is fit. You basically have to play Melo alongside Horford. Them having to cover for both Melo and IT's D...just don't think it's humanly possible. Ainge isn't dumb. They'd probably pass.

F N 11 · Post #333 » by **F N 11** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm

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Post #334 » by **kane2021** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm

Dudes felt like we got ripped off on the trade to pick him and billups up. And are expecting as much if not more than that to move him alone 6 years later. And this some how seems reasonable?

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Mecca · Post #335 » by **Mecca** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:47 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
If you're willing to wait 4 years for an asset to pay off, then so be it. The time that rookie develops it'll be 2023

but they become assets. The type of assets that might land you a future Jimmy Butler in a trade.

You see what I'm saying its not about the picks its about the future asset. Yes the pick maybe 2020. But if we are good in 2019 with KP and say Fultz or Ball. Maybe we use that pick to trade for a wing player that puts us over the top with that pick.

Trading an older asset for a future asset is always good when you are rebuilding.

Ok, this I understand. Although, I don't see the asset becoming valuable for another 2 years + the Clipps might be good still This isn't like the Nets where everyone knew they'd dropoff in 2 years.

IllmaticHandler · Post #336 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:47 pm

Dudes is going to start Scouting Freshman in H.S as we speak for that 2020 pick. lol

F N 11 · Post #337 » by **F N 11** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:48 pm

Somehow get other teams involved throw in KOQ lets get some picks and youth back. We got Lee and Rose too who want what? Chill yall cant have Holiday, yall can have Jennings though.

NYKnicksTAPE · Post #338 » by **NYKnicksTAPE** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:48 pm

those LAC picks are too far away...they'd be most valuable to me as trade chips for a disgruntled star or star about to leave their team in FA, and that's only if the Clips end up being that bad that they become premium picks

Mecca · Post #339 » by **Mecca** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:48 pm

dakomish23 wrote:I hope they keep Reddick. Taking on Rivers should net us more assets or better assets back. Which should be the only motivation for this team in a Melo deal.

Just don't trust PJax to think that way

No way he trades his son with CP3 out 2 months. No way in hell.

El Poochio · Post #340 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:49 pm

Mecca wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:

At All cost you maximize the value .Picks 4 years from now is no good to me.You also not getting a couple of firsts for him. You Trade a player of Melo caliber and that asset should benefit you in the short term.

we are not building in the "short" term if we deal melo. This is not a future team. You don't trade away your best player to try to get better in the short term.

This obviously is turning into a KP's the man and we are going to build around his window which is the next couple of season until we are probably good.

I'm not trying to get short term players. We need to have a longer view. Down the road. The type of deal like the celtics which is reaping the rewards 3-4 years down the road.

Also if we got Blake or Love somehow they should be traded as well. Neither is as good as melo is in the short term and all the would be doing is keeping us status quo. If you get love or blake you move them for future picks.

But a 2021 pick doesn't develop until the year 2023-2024. That is still 7 years from today. That makes the rebuild 3 years longer.

Boston can get anyone they want basically with those Brooklyn picks, you can trade them if you want, Melo is a short term asset those picks would be long term assets you want to longer the life of your assets especially while rebuilding