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SelbyCobra wrote:The hardest part about trading KP for me would be having to tell my son.
I can pretty easily work my way through it for myself, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who bonded with one of his children over KP's explosion onto the scene these last two years.
Knickstape1214 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote::lol: "I root for the front of the jersey." Christ. We ALL root for the team, the difference is some of us don't blindly follow a **** FO executive.
You always beat this drum, like Phil being a d*ck or KP being a d*ck are mutually exclusive.
Once again. Phil's been an ass. KP and crew are now matching him one for one. That said, that doesn't make me want KP dealt any more than it did the other day (well, maybe some), but if I can flip KP, a #4 pick, for another guy who was a top 5 pick, and then get a top 5 pick also, then to me, that accelerates the rebuild by at least a year.
Would I do Booker and #4 for KP? In a heartbeat, even if KP was my favorite player.
Because KP's been good, but potential is still a big question. He'll get better. But how much better? Who knows. All I know there are at least three tall guys I can name off the top of my head who looked way more advanced their first two years than KP - Durant, AD and KT. Now, obviously those are top of the draft guys. But it's not a given that KP will look significantly different as a player next year, or two years from now, then he does right now. Better? Yes. More developed? Yes. Will that crossover ever really be a true NBA ability and less of a sort of gimmick? Who knows. Will he ever develop a post game? Who knows.
The way I see it, KP wouldn't be like this if Phil wasn't a twat - he is the sole reason why KP is "acting out." Also, just because he's not advanced doesn't mean he won't be there. He's significantly further ahead than KD and KAT are defensively at the same stage, so there's that. He's also not much further behind KAT, IMO. KD is a different beast in that respect, though. Dirk wasn't the same player he was in his second year as he was in his fifth year either. I'm not saying he'll reach Dirk's level offensively, but he's ahead defensively. I'm not willing to give up on KP and will 100% excuse his actions because of everything Phil has done (which I don't want to get into again).
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:Yankeeknickfan wrote:Suns doing things right. Their young star is untouchable
It seems like kp is also.....
at booker being too expensive to net KP
thebuzzardman wrote:April madness wrote:ToHoleWithSoul wrote:Jesus, he's only deadlifting 135? My 17 year old niece is doing that.
Your niece is lifting 135 kilos? Why????? Is she an olympic weight lifter or what?
I'd hope KP is lifting kilos instead of pounds here, at 22 years of age. Kripes, my son benches 275 and he's 15. Then again, he's a bit of a freak strength wise, though that isn't that far beyond the norm. It's when he squats 460 that it's really freaky.
thebuzzardman wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
You always beat this drum, like Phil being a d*ck or KP being a d*ck are mutually exclusive.
Once again. Phil's been an ass. KP and crew are now matching him one for one. That said, that doesn't make me want KP dealt any more than it did the other day (well, maybe some), but if I can flip KP, a #4 pick, for another guy who was a top 5 pick, and then get a top 5 pick also, then to me, that accelerates the rebuild by at least a year.
Would I do Booker and #4 for KP? In a heartbeat, even if KP was my favorite player.
Because KP's been good, but potential is still a big question. He'll get better. But how much better? Who knows. All I know there are at least three tall guys I can name off the top of my head who looked way more advanced their first two years than KP - Durant, AD and KT. Now, obviously those are top of the draft guys. But it's not a given that KP will look significantly different as a player next year, or two years from now, then he does right now. Better? Yes. More developed? Yes. Will that crossover ever really be a true NBA ability and less of a sort of gimmick? Who knows. Will he ever develop a post game? Who knows.
The way I see it, KP wouldn't be like this if Phil wasn't a twat - he is the sole reason why KP is "acting out." Also, just because he's not advanced doesn't mean he won't be there. He's significantly further ahead than KD and KAT are defensively at the same stage, so there's that. He's also not much further behind KAT, IMO. KD is a different beast in that respect, though. Dirk wasn't the same player he was in his second year as he was in his fifth year either. I'm not saying he'll reach Dirk's level offensively, but he's ahead defensively. I'm not willing to give up on KP and will 100% excuse his actions because of everything Phil has done (which I don't want to get into again).
I'm with you to a certain degree, regarding Phil. But two wrongs don't make a right. Agree on KP's defense, but I think AD and KT were far ahead of KP at the same stage (KD this is easy) on offense, Durant isn't fair being #1. I know the point on Dirk, but not everyone is Dirk. KP could be exactly the same, slightly better, much better. We don't know. His work ethic would indicate somewhat better at the least, but we just don't know. Obviously, KP making a Dirk level jump changes the equation of Booker + #4 = KP, but it's not a given.
I'm so inured to BS as a Knicks fan I find myself not caring either way.
April madness wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:April madness wrote:Your niece is lifting 135 kilos? Why????? Is she an olympic weight lifter or what?
I'd hope KP is lifting kilos instead of pounds here, at 22 years of age. Kripes, my son benches 275 and he's 15. Then again, he's a bit of a freak strength wise, though that isn't that far beyond the norm. It's when he squats 460 that it's really freaky.
Well here in Latvia we have only kilos, so I would guess normally every weight should be marked in kilos. But probably his fitness coach is telling him how much he should be lifting..
SelbyCobra wrote:The hardest part about trading KP for me would be having to tell my son.
I can pretty easily work my way through it for myself, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who bonded with one of his children over KP's explosion onto the scene these last two years.
Carl_Karlson wrote::lol: at booker being too expensive to net KP
celtics god shammgod wrote:SelbyCobra wrote:The hardest part about trading KP for me would be having to tell my son.
I can pretty easily work my way through it for myself, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who bonded with one of his children over KP's explosion onto the scene these last two years.
you already f*cked up by making him a knicks fan. this is your fault.
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Knickstape1214 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote:
The way I see it, KP wouldn't be like this if Phil wasn't a twat - he is the sole reason why KP is "acting out." Also, just because he's not advanced doesn't mean he won't be there. He's significantly further ahead than KD and KAT are defensively at the same stage, so there's that. He's also not much further behind KAT, IMO. KD is a different beast in that respect, though. Dirk wasn't the same player he was in his second year as he was in his fifth year either. I'm not saying he'll reach Dirk's level offensively, but he's ahead defensively. I'm not willing to give up on KP and will 100% excuse his actions because of everything Phil has done (which I don't want to get into again).
I'm with you to a certain degree, regarding Phil. But two wrongs don't make a right. Agree on KP's defense, but I think AD and KT were far ahead of KP at the same stage (KD this is easy) on offense, Durant isn't fair being #1. I know the point on Dirk, but not everyone is Dirk. KP could be exactly the same, slightly better, much better. We don't know. His work ethic would indicate somewhat better at the least, but we just don't know. Obviously, KP making a Dirk level jump changes the equation of Booker + #4 = KP, but it's not a given.
I'm so inured to BS as a Knicks fan I find myself not caring either way.
*I don't think he'll be Dirk on offense* BUT even if he's just below, his defense makes his impact just as great. If he's not a franchise player a la Dirk, he's still a cornerstone - those guys are very rare.
I'm numb to a certain degree, but everyone has a point of no return - I'm not there...yet...but if certain things happen, I might get there. I just want this team to succeed and I see Phil being a major impediment to reaching that dream.
April madness wrote:ToHoleWithSoul wrote:Jesus, he's only deadlifting 135? My 17 year old niece is doing that.
Your niece is lifting 135 kilos? Why????? Is she an olympic weight lifter or what?
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Knickstape1214 wrote:Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote:
LOL, coming from the guy who is a bigger Phil fan than a Knicks fan, this is rich.
Dude phil jackson is an 11 time champion. He knows what it takes to win.
Wtf has melo and kp won?? ***** nothing.
It boggles my mind how lost most of you guys continue to be.
AS A **** COACH. Holy **** ****, dude, are you that dense that you don't know the difference between coaching teams to 11 championships with LOADED teams and being a FO executive? Seriously? He knows what it takes to win as a COACH, but just because he can COACH does not mean he will be a successful FO EXECUTIVE. JUST LIKE being a great PLAYER does not mean you will be a great COACH or FO EXECUTIVE. The jobs are **** different.
It boggles my mind how **** stupid people can be when they say "LALALA RINGZ RINGZ RINGZ."
Phil won't be here once his contract ends. KP WILL. He is the **** future of this team, not some senile egotistical twat **** who has no **** idea what he's doing.
Robert Horry has RINGZZZZZ he knows how to win, right? He'll be a better FO exec than everyone who has fewer RINGZ than him, right? FOH with that bull logic. THE JOB IS **** DIFFERENT. WHAT HE DID AS A COACH MEANS JACK **** TO HIIM AS AN EXECUTIVE.
Knickstape1214 wrote:Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote:
LOL, coming from the guy who is a bigger Phil fan than a Knicks fan, this is rich.
Dude phil jackson is an 11 time champion. He knows what it takes to win.
Wtf has melo and kp won?? ***** nothing.
It boggles my mind how lost most of you guys continue to be.
AS A **** COACH. Holy **** ****, dude, are you that dense that you don't know the difference between coaching teams to 11 championships with LOADED teams and being a FO executive? Seriously? He knows what it takes to win as a COACH, but just because he can COACH does not mean he will be a successful FO EXECUTIVE. JUST LIKE being a great PLAYER does not mean you will be a great COACH or FO EXECUTIVE. The jobs are **** different.
It boggles my mind how **** stupid people can be when they say "LALALA RINGZ RINGZ RINGZ."
Phil won't be here once his contract ends. KP WILL. He is the **** future of this team, not some senile egotistical twat **** who has no **** idea what he's doing.
Robert Horry has RINGZZZZZ he knows how to win, right? He'll be a better FO exec than everyone who has fewer RINGZ than him, right? FOH with that bull logic. THE JOB IS **** DIFFERENT. WHAT HE DID AS A COACH MEANS JACK **** TO HIIM AS AN EXECUTIVE.
holy***** phil isnt going anywhere anytime soon. Its highly likely at this point that he out lasts both melo and kp and rightfully so. god shammgod wrote:SelbyCobra wrote:The hardest part about trading KP for me would be having to tell my son.
I can pretty easily work my way through it for myself, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who bonded with one of his children over KP's explosion onto the scene these last two years.
you already f*cked up by making him a knicks fan. this is your fault.
Yankeeknickfan wrote:Carl_Karlson wrote::lol: at booker being too expensive to net KP
It's a lateral move at best. Like us saying no to Jokic for KP and a pick.
