2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2)

[ophdog]

Oh this one right here hurt me

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Who are our scouts smh

I don't think it's about the scouting as much as it's that there is no exact science to drafting. There will always be multiple players in every single draft that will be drafted after players that they'll end up having much better careers than. We can all watch the talent that all these college kids have on tv and watch tape on the internet but it's about how their game will adapt to the NBA game which is played much different then how they play in college and it's about what's going on between the ears which you just can't predict cause they'll always say the right things when being interviewed by the NBA teams cause they go over how to answer questions in certain ways before they even get to their interviews. The will always be somewhat of a crap shoot and you need some luck on your side.

Agreed about the crap shoot however what this shows is that we never got it right. We had a lot of chances. Mitch is the only case lately. Even our great undrafted players haven't worked out long term

[Manhattan Project]

Not that he'll likely get drafted, but Myles Powell is fun to watch.

[newyorker4ever]

Oh this one right here hurt me

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Who are our scouts smh

I don't think it's about the scouting as much as it's that there is no exact science to drafting. There will always be multiple players in every single draft that will be drafted after players that they'll end up having much better careers than. We can all watch the talent that all these college kids have on tv and watch tape on the internet but it's about how their game will adapt to the NBA game which is played much different then how they play in college and it's about what's going on between the ears which you just can't predict cause they'll always say the right things when being interviewed by the NBA teams cause they go over how to answer questions in certain ways before they even get to their interviews. The will always be somewhat of a crap shoot and you need some luck on your side.

This is true but after awhile nobody wants to hear this bs when we’re constantly drafting all the wrong players year after year. How long has it been since we offered a rookie a second contract. At some point this is about the people making decisions. Outside of KP .. and Mitch this has been so damn frustrating. Hopefully we can get it right someday.

Don't get me wrong cause i have no faith at all in S.Perry and damn sure don't have any faith in S.Mills and want both gone and get a legit GM in here and give him total control over everything. I was just pointing out how there was no exact science to drafting. We do have horrible luck to where we usually end up in a draft spot that's 1 spot or 2-3 spots too low and end up missing out on having the chance to get the kind of talent that you can truly start a rebuild around like S.Curry, L.Doncic, J.Morant, T.Young and the list goes on. Hopefully we'll see the growth we're hoping for in RJ Barrett next season and he comes into the season with a better shot and defense to go with the rest of his game which is pretty damn good. This is such an important draft for us to hit big on whoever we end up drafting with our lottery pick but i'll be as nervous as anyone knowing we have to rely on Mills and Perry for another draft. They have no creativity to make any kind of moves during the draft. They just sit on their hands and wait until we're on the clock.

[mrpoetryNmotion]

I have warmed up considerably to Lamelo the past couple months. As mentioned previously, he has a great feel for the game that is hard to learn. His handles and passing are top notch. Even though his shooting isn't quite good yet, I expect that he will be a better off the dribble shooter than his brother based on their respective forms rising up.

One thing that I tend to think about is that the Knicks have a lot of pieces that don't necessarily coalesque. Our young core is a bunch of disparate parts that aren't necessarily getting the best out of each other. I suppose the hope here would be that someone like Lamelo would be better for synergy than another point guard, if we believe Lamelo has the ability to maximize some of our pieces, like Knox, or even Barret, putting them in better positions to score as the primary ball handler. I like Haliburton as a proposect, and generally like his all around ability over Lamelo's, but I buy Lamelo's feel for the game as a unifying quality moreso than Haliburton's overall ability as a prospect, at least for the Knicks.

[ADeP7]

It doesn’t matter whether it’s Lamelo , Edwards, wiseman. All 3 have fantastic potential but
It only works if we make sure to put the people in a position to succeed.

So if you go and get a lamelo. You gotta get him
Some shooters.
If you go and get wiseman. Get him a point guard who can make life easy for him.
If you go with Edwards, make sure he has the space to operate with Barrett.

Knowing the knicks even if we are lucky to get one of them. We won’t properly set them up for success.

[newyorker4ever]

It doesn’t matter whether it’s Lamelo , Edwards, wiseman. All 3 have fantastic potential but
It only works if we make sure to put the people in a position to succeed.

So if you go and get a lamelo. You gotta get him
Some shooters.
If you go and get wiseman. Get him a point guard who can make life easy for him.
If you go with Edwards, make sure he has the space to operate with Barrett.

Knowing the knicks even if we are lucky to get one of them. We won’t properly set them up for success.

Unfortunately it's easier said than done to get the right pieces. If it wasn't then we would of had a real point guard after all these years needing one.

[TheGreenArrow]

Really glad to see spence come around on lamelo.

[TheScout31]

Really glad to see spence come around on lamelo.

Still have questions surrounding his shooting and defense, bus the vision (as I've said before) is elite and his touch around the rim was something I overlooked. I've seen each game at least once, some up to 3 times, but actually breaking down and watching each part separately has made some things easier to see.

[TheGreenArrow]

Really glad to see spence come around on lamelo.

Still have questions surrounding his shooting and defense, bus the vision (as I've said before) is elite and his touch around the rim was something I overlooked. I've seen each game at least once, some up to 3 times, but actually breaking down and watching each part separately has made some things easier to see.

Keep up the good work on Twitter. Your threads on prospects are really good.

[Marty McFly]

how Ironic would it be to have a guy called Melo come in and save the franchise....

[HerSports85]

We need shooting. I’d like to see us get a late 1st and go after Aaron Nesmith. Reminds me of Covington.

[TheScout31]

We need shooting. I’d like to see us get a late 1st and go after Aaron Nesmith. Reminds me of Covington.

Way better movement shooter, nowhere near the defender. I think he's way more Crabbe with better movement shooting - some similarities with Korver, even.

Really glad to see spence come around on lamelo.

Still have questions surrounding his shooting and defense, bus the vision (as I've said before) is elite and his touch around the rim was something I overlooked. I've seen each game at least once, some up to 3 times, but actually breaking down and watching each part separately has made some things easier to see.

Keep up the good work on Twitter. Your threads on prospects are really good.

You'll appreciate this - only 8 handle turnovers, 2 of which weren't directly from his handle (receiving the pass and not getting a grip on the ball first). 19 passing turnovers, most of which were forced looks. For someone who handled as much as he did to have that low a number of handle turnovers is damn impressive.

[newyorker4ever]

We need shooting. I’d like to see us get a late 1st and go after Aaron Nesmith. Reminds me of Covington.

This is my only issue with us drafting L.Ball and i think it would be a big issue for us. I think Ball is the kind of exciting player that would be great to have and make basketball fun to watch but you absolutely have to have shooting in this league by at least one of your back court starters and with a Ball/Barrett back court we wouldn't have that and wouldn't even have very good defense. If we moved Barrett to SF permanently and got us a B.Beal type to play SG then i could get around that but even then with Ball and Barrett playing around that Beal type SG it would still be tough to beat the really good teams.

[ADeP7]

Why not go Edwards and move Barrett to SF then make a move for another point guard.

Jrue holiday - 2 years left 25 mil / 26 mil
Conley - 1 year left 34 mil
Schroeder - 1 year left 15 mil
Or
Fred van fleet in free agency
Melton free agency

[Zenzibar]

We are in for a treat if LaMelo is in our destiny. Can we say Jason Kidd 2.0.

The kid is huge, and his passing is, well just salivate for a bit:

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[dakomish23]

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[Zenzibar]

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I know we love some Edwards and Wiseman,,,,but mannnn a 6'8" point guard with these elite passing skills will be fun to watch at MSG for years to come.

[DOT]

I'm warming up to Ball more and more

It might take him a bit to get his scoring, and especially his 3 pointer, down, but the potential is there

Still don't rank him above Wiseman and Edwards, but he's not too far off from them

[TheGreenArrow]

I'm warming up to Ball more and more

It might take him a bit to get his scoring, and especially his 3 pointer, down, but the potential is there

Still don't rank him above Wiseman and Edwards, but he's not too far off from them

Very proud of you.

[DLTGWH]

LaMelo wouldn’t be a bad pick at all. I’ll take all 3 of the b-ball brothers and give his wack dad a job doing color commentary.