Knicks - Cavs PG

Clyde_Style · Post #321 » by **Clyde_Style** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:01 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:It's amazing that Randle can put together decent stats most games but completely fail the eye test. He put up an efficient 18 points tonight but still looked like hot garbage in real time.

It's because he's so ball dominant, for example last year he actually touched the ball more than Anthony Davis, Embiid, Donovan, Tatum, Adebayo.

For insight on just how much he and Payton have the ball, they actually had more touches per game than Conley and Mitchell

Randle is more ball dominant than Jenna Jameson

Post #322 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:01 am

Im Coming Home wrote:

Any fans of 30 Rock? RJ kid pic looks like the kid they used for young Tracy Jordan

ctorres · Post #323 » by **ctorres** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:03 am

Video of the postgame chat with Alan Hahn

https://www.facebook.com/ahahnmsg/videos/1104864413281482/

At around the 29:10 mark, he answers my question: "Any locker room concerns if all the veterans get benched and all the young guys get the minutes?"

He was glad I brought it up and most of you will LOVE his answer so you should totally watch!

Post #324 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:05 am

So Obi still the biggest bust in history or nah

N Y K · Post #325 » by **N Y K** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:10 am

dakomish23 wrote:So Obi still the biggest bust in history or nah

ask again next game... and the game after that... and after that... :lol:

Post #326 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:11 am

ctorres wrote:Video of the postgame chat with Alan Hahn

https://www.facebook.com/ahahnmsg/videos/1104864413281482/

At around the 29:10 mark, he answers my question: "Any locker room concerns if all the veterans get benched and all the young guys get the minutes?"

He was glad I brought it up and most of you will LOVE his answer so you should totally watch!

Thank you.

Actually a pretty solid answer from him and I agree it might be RJ as the leader moving fwd. he puts the work in, he looks like he’s taking that next step. He’s producing on the floor. He’s actually earned the title instead of having it thrust upon him. Knicks fans should be ecstatic with that response from Hahn.

DrCoach · Post #327 » by **DrCoach** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:18 am

This is the lineup ive been begging for, i will be perfectly for. I will be perfectly fine winning 20 games with this lineup.

I dont hate Randle and Elfrid, but they have to go. Elfrid bricked too many 3’s and Randle isnt a ball mover and dribbles into triple teams.

Next year we add a Cade, Green or Suggs and we have something.

And did yiu guys hear when the announcer said OBI was the oldest one on the court for the Knicks?

cgf · Post #328 » by **cgf** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:20 am

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
It was actually his facilitation that changed the game way more than him stretching the defense as a three point threat

Yes but everything is predicated from the fact teams have to guard him out on the perimeter. They can't play zone with quickley on the floor so it opens up P&R opportunities that people sagging off you wouldn't allow.

Just the threat opens things up

Yeah its pretty clear if you're going to start RJ, Julius and one of Mitch or Noel you cant start Elf with them. Its not even Elfs fault because i dont think hes actually the sole reason we're bad hes just an awful fit there and hes the easiest to replace.

You specifically will hate me for this but Rivers should start with that group and Burks lol. Hes a good enough threat from deep to bust a zone. Either that or Quickley but id rather Quickley run with the rest of the young guys on the 2nd unit.

This. So much this. I've been saying that I'd like to see Rivers & Burks starting with RJ, Julius & Noel/Mitch; and a 2nd unit based on IQ / Frank / Knox / Obi / Mitch. Payton replacing RJ with the starters so that we can split RJ's minutes between the vets & the kids.

Rotations looking something like:

Spoiler:

Clyde_Style · Post #329 » by **Clyde_Style** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:21 am

It is almost like Hahn is paving the way for Payton and maybe Randle to come off the bench. He's not 100% shackled to a party line, but he's still a company man at heart

Post #330 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:32 am

Okoro looks like a Courtney Lee level guy. Meh.

Post #331 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:39 am

ctorres wrote:Video of the postgame chat with Alan Hahn

https://www.facebook.com/ahahnmsg/videos/1104864413281482/

At around the 29:10 mark, he answers my question: "Any locker room concerns if all the veterans get benched and all the young guys get the minutes?"

He was glad I brought it up and most of you will LOVE his answer so you should totally watch!

RJ should be the leader. But its tough for him to get reigns of the team with Payton and Randle playing footsie with each other. RJ plays so much more confident with those to clowns on the bench.

HarthorneWingo · Post #332 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:39 am

ctorres wrote:Video of the postgame chat with Alan Hahn

https://www.facebook.com/ahahnmsg/videos/1104864413281482/

At around the 29:10 mark, he answers my question: "Any locker room concerns if all the veterans get benched and all the young guys get the minutes?"

He was glad I brought it up and most of you will LOVE his answer so you should totally watch!

I'm glad you brought that up, too.

That kinda backs up what I've been saying about giving the keys to a bunch of one-year mercenaries/veterans that aren't invested here. Those cats don't give a fck just like Alan said.

HarthorneWingo · Post #333 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:41 am

mpharris36 wrote:
ctorres wrote:Video of the postgame chat with Alan Hahn

https://www.facebook.com/ahahnmsg/videos/1104864413281482/

At around the 29:10 mark, he answers my question: "Any locker room concerns if all the veterans get benched and all the young guys get the minutes?"

He was glad I brought it up and most of you will LOVE his answer so you should totally watch!

RJ should be the leader. But its tough for him to get reigns of the team with Payton and Randle playing footsie with each other. RJ plays so much more confident with those to clowns on the bench.

To hell with the butt hurt feelings of the vets. Thibs said accountability. I'm sure the front office has to be looking at this and saying, "it's the young kids that bring the excitement, not the vets." We're not winning anything with these veteran guys.

SelbyCobra · Post #334 » by **SelbyCobra** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:43 am

Post #335 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:44 am

It’s funny but you could probably measure the value of most players simply by knowing how long they hold the ball in consecutive seconds.

Generally a good indicator of whether that guy plays a good role or a bad one. Randle and Payton are dribbling and standing so so much.

cgmw · Post #336 » by **cgmw** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:47 am

As much as we complain, I’m so happy we don’t have Drummond, Love, Okoro, Garland, Sexton

Knicksfan1992 · Post #337 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:49 am

K-DOT wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Yes but everything is predicated from the fact teams have to guard him out on the perimeter. They can't play zone with quickley on the floor so it opens up P&R opportunities that people sagging off you wouldn't allow.

Just the threat opens things up

Yeah its pretty clear if you're going to start RJ, Julius and one of Mitch or Noel you cant start Elf with them. Its not even Elfs fault because i dont think hes actually the sole reason we're bad hes just an awful fit there and hes the easiest to replace.

You specifically will hate me for this but Rivers should start with that group and Burks lol. Hes a good enough threat from deep to bust a zone. Either that or Quickley but id rather Quickley run with the rest of the young guys on the 2nd unit.

Yeah

Even for as much as I sh*t on him, when Elf was playing with the kids in the 2nd unit tonight, they all looked pretty good. Granted, they still looked good when Elf was swapped for Quickley, but still

I think especially if you're gonna start Randle and bring Obi off the bench, Elf would look much better as a backup cause the kid lineup doesn't really have playmaking or shot creating, which he brings, while the starters have RJ and Randle who are both shot creators, making Elf irrelevant. The problem is and has been that we really can't justify benching him on individual performance, cause statistically he is the "best" at PG. I had to switch to a Cavs stream towards the end of the game, and one of their guys said the problem with the Knicks is we have too many guys who want the ball and not enough shooters. So literally everyone else can see it except the people who make the decisions. It's maddening.

I would like to think Thibs and the rest of the guys saw something tonight that clicked a lightbulb in their heads. Thibs isn't dumb... Previous Knicks coaches used to always put the starters back in after a certain group made a run but he stuck with the group that was playing well which I think is a good sign that he isn't married to certain lineups getting X amount of minutes right now. I also think he probably has the most support from the FO that any Knicks coach has had in a while which will help with making the tough calls.

Bottom line is Elf is making 5 million a year... there aren't any starting veteran pgs out there making that little amount of $. I don't think it's unrealistic for him to expect to accept a bench role considering that. And honestly he might be our best pg still but he's just an awful fit with our starters. It's what's best for both sides. He'll play better with that bench unit anyway. It's up to Thibs to relay that to him.

ctorres · Post #338 » by **ctorres** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:51 am

Good notes on Dennis Smith jr by Alan Hahn in that chat too.

The coaching staff and organization are unwilling to give up on him in large part due to the athleticism and tools he has. He was on the All Rookie Team for a reason.

robillionaire · Post #339 » by **robillionaire** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:54 am

cgmw wrote:As much as we complain, I’m so happy we don’t have Drummond, Love, Okoro, Garland, Sexton

that team still dominates us tbh. garland was a +20 drummond was +18 okoro was pretty solid, Sexton and Love would have probably beasted

we beat up on lamar stephens, marques bolden, levi randolph, matt mooney, and dylan windler

Post #340 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:55 am

ctorres wrote:Good notes on Dennis Smith jr by Alan Hahn in that chat too.

The coaching staff and organization are unwilling to give up on him in large part due to the athleticism and tools he has. He was on the All Rookie Team for a reason.

he simiply has no idea how to run an offense though. Its completly stagnant and no one gets good looks. He hit a couple prayer 3's tonight but I don't trust that to continue.

I will give credit where credit is due...he was very active defensively and that is nice to see. But he has no ability to run an offense...its very ugly out there.

IQ is the guy we should be investing in.