Knicks Mavs PG: The friends along the way

[NewKnicks]

We went from D and good hustle club to back to guys looking totally disinterested and out of sync or edge. I didn’t believe in hexes but maybe it’s true.

Randle and Elf both hard to watch. Randle has been playing over his head sadly.

All-Star Weekend effect on Randle.

Seen it happen with Amar'e. Was never the same after that.

This is exactly what I've been saying. Seems like since he found out he was going to be an All-Star, that he's playing to try to look like an All-Star. Like trying to prove he deserved it (which he did). He obviously doesn't need to do that. Just keep playing the way you were playing, that's what got you there. Don't change a damn thing.

But it seems like things have gotten in his head. His demeanor on the court does not look good. He's pouting about calls, not hustling sometimes, trying to play outside his game. He just needs to get back to the basics and he'll be fine. But we should have traded him at the deadline when his value was at an all-time high. We probably could have gotten a huge return for him, and then we could have built around RJ. Oh well, a boy can dream.

[Chanel Bomber]

First off, Bulls are not going to trade Lavine for picks after giving up 2 firsts to get 30 year old Vuc. That makes zero sense. If Lavine did demand to leave the Bulls (which he won't based on what he's consistently said), he would not demand a trade to the Knicks. He wants to win.

The Rockets traded away picks and Chris Paul for Westbrook.

They then traded both Westbrook and Harden for picks to recoup some draft assets.

Lavine's perception might change if the Bulls fail to make the playoffs this year and next. Vuc is an awful fit next to Lavine, and at 30 he's only gonna get less mobile with time. If the Knicks end up with a better record than the Bulls, then it would be safe to assume from his perspective that he could get farther with the Knicks than with the Bulls.

Chanel: Do you know the process of who decides who makes the pre/post and gamethreads? And what time the pre-game thread usually goes up?

Since I'm NEW ( ) around here, I don't know the process.

Try it.

I dare you.

[NewKnicks]

It’s too late. Look at some of the teams behind the Knicks... this play in thing is absolutely stupid I must add.. the NBA is a league where more than half the teams already made the playoffs as it was.. the play in is unnecessary

it's too late to crack into the top 7, but not too late to get into the 8-11 range

rn, 538 projects the team to finish w/ the 9th worst record (w/ only 1 game separating them from 14). the difference between lottery odds for 9 and 14 is pretty significant: 20.2% (top 4) vs. 2.4%

20.2% isn't a great chance, but it's still a chance at a potential franchise-changing talent. 2.4% is no chance at all

We are almost a lock to get into the play-in tournament. The Front Office will not try to tank. We only drop from the East Top 10 if at least 2 teams from Chicago, Toronto, and Wizards surpass us at the standings. And they are awful right now.

We will not sacrifice the evolution of the team and the morale of the roster for 18% odds improvement.

If we do nothing, we will probably lose the play-in and finish in 10-12th range anyway

I wish we would. This franchise always f*cks it up. We love to play well at the end of seasons so we don't get near the top 5. Did it again this year. Signed all the one year rentals and here we are. A .500 team playing far above their level of talent, which took us out of the running for a top pick in one of the strongest drafts in a long time. We did it AGAIN.

[Reign23]

xNewYorkMadex where u at bro

[NewKnicks]

i don't know that we can get lavine but they aint won a game since the vuc trade. that aint gonna be the reason he stays. they still suck.

their schedule since vuc is in the lineup
@spurs
@gsw (with curry back)
@suns
@jazz

I don't know how many games are you supposed to win there. even with vuc&lavine

Hey, don't bring up facts around here. Nobody wants to hear it. The Bulls suck, and there is no chance Vuc and Lavine can play together. I know this because they didn't sweep that schedule.

[NewKnicks]

Knicks stay a joke as usual.

Didn't watch one second of the game by this buttf*ck franchise, but box score watching it looks like the Knicks guards/wings had yet another scintillating effort.
Other than the aged Alec Burks

Oh, and the 2nd game in a row where the Knicks are fighting for their playoff lives and RJ Barrett laid an egg.

Barret's new knickname is RJ3, because he's clearly just a 3rd option, he of the slow robot mechanical moves.

Also, yet again, I fell for the Knicks bullsh*t.

I thought they were doing a better job with a new FO, but it's really the same exact thing as the last 3 years.

Sign 1 year bums.
Win enough games to destroy draft position
Go into the draft and f*ck it up or have luck f*ck it up (hi RJ!)
Save $ for "the big FA's"
Don't sign any FA's worth a f*ck
Repeat

Only difference this year is the coach can actually coach defense very well but he's still a maniacal penquin whose rotations suck, but then again, 3/4's of the players suck, so maybe it's not his fault. Would have to wait until how Thibs looks with a good roster but the chance to conduct that half of the experiment will never come.

Oh, and IQ hasn't looked that impressive since the AS break.
He's "ok". Another overhyped Knicks rookie by the fans.
Which is understandable, since he's actually an NBA player, unlike Frank, Knox or Obi.

They sucked me in and fooled me again too. For some dumb reason, I thought this year was different, and they 'turned the corner'. But no, nothing has changed. They put up the smoke and mirrors signing the one year rentals (AGAIN), and Thibs brought in that defensive mentality that allowed us to compete more than we should have.

They got me again.

[thebuzzardman]

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Oh man, look at you guys! You look great. This is great! Congratulations. Love it. Expecially, the face hat. But I have a better idea, a Mexican wrestling mask.

Yes, I was saying this on the game thread. This kid is exactly what we need. Leon's first NBA was Rick, Jalen's dad. If Leon can't use his connection with his dad and the Brunson family to get Jalen to come to NY, then what good was bringing Leon here?

I have to get some kit to participate, like a mic and a cam.

Also, I need one of the following. Which one should I choose?

[NewKnicks]

Knicks stay a joke as usual.

Didn't watch one second of the game by this buttf*ck franchise, but box score watching it looks like the Knicks guards/wings had yet another scintillating effort.
Other than the aged Alec Burks

Oh, and the 2nd game in a row where the Knicks are fighting for their playoff lives and RJ Barrett laid an egg.

Barret's new knickname is RJ3, because he's clearly just a 3rd option, he of the slow robot mechanical moves.

Also, yet again, I fell for the Knicks bullsh*t.

I thought they were doing a better job with a new FO, but it's really the same exact thing as the last 3 years.

Sign 1 year bums.
Win enough games to destroy draft position
Go into the draft and f*ck it up or have luck f*ck it up (hi RJ!)
Save $ for "the big FA's"
Don't sign any FA's worth a f*ck
Repeat

Only difference this year is the coach can actually coach defense very well but he's still a maniacal penquin whose rotations suck, but then again, 3/4's of the players suck, so maybe it's not his fault. Would have to wait until how Thibs looks with a good roster but the chance to conduct that half of the experiment will never come.

Oh, and IQ hasn't looked that impressive since the AS break.
He's "ok". Another overhyped Knicks rookie by the fans.
Which is understandable, since he's actually an NBA player, unlike Frank, Knox or Obi.

Everyone is ignoring this. IQ hasn't looked good at all since the AS break. Is he really that good? We might have overhyped a player that in reality isn't all that special.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks stay a joke as usual.

Didn't watch one second of the game by this buttf*ck franchise, but box score watching it looks like the Knicks guards/wings had yet another scintillating effort.
Other than the aged Alec Burks

Oh, and the 2nd game in a row where the Knicks are fighting for their playoff lives and RJ Barrett laid an egg.

Barret's new knickname is RJ3, because he's clearly just a 3rd option, he of the slow robot mechanical moves.

Also, yet again, I fell for the Knicks bullsh*t.

I thought they were doing a better job with a new FO, but it's really the same exact thing as the last 3 years.

Sign 1 year bums.
Win enough games to destroy draft position
Go into the draft and f*ck it up or have luck f*ck it up (hi RJ!)
Save $ for "the big FA's"
Don't sign any FA's worth a f*ck
Repeat

Only difference this year is the coach can actually coach defense very well but he's still a maniacal penquin whose rotations suck, but then again, 3/4's of the players suck, so maybe it's not his fault. Would have to wait until how Thibs looks with a good roster but the chance to conduct that half of the experiment will never come.

Oh, and IQ hasn't looked that impressive since the AS break.
He's "ok". Another overhyped Knicks rookie by the fans.
Which is understandable, since he's actually an NBA player, unlike Frank, Knox or Obi.

They sucked me in and fooled me again too. For some dumb reason, I thought this year was different, and they 'turned the corner'. But no, nothing has changed. They put up the smoke and mirrors signing the one year rentals (AGAIN), and Thibs brought in that defensive mentality that allowed us to compete more than we should have.

They got me again.

Us:

[NewKnicks]

Macri made a good point on his postgame tn: how did the Knicks not get Jalen Brunson in the KP deal?

yes, trading KP was ultimately a good thing....but that still doesn't mean we got a good return for him. we got a bad return. the best asset we got from the deal is the 2021 pick which will be 20-22 (unless Mavs are miraculously knocked off in the play-in) and the cap space, tho I still think w/ or w/o KP, they would've gone after Randle (probs not Morris tho)

They probably could have gotten Brunson but Pills wanted DSJ

I'll take the L on this one. I couldn't imagine a scenario to where Brunson is playing at the level he is in the NBA. I thought he was small, slow and wouldn't be able to get his shot up because of it. Man was I wrong on him. He's a really solid NBA player.

Wouldn't Brunson look good in a Knicks uni?

[NewKnicks]

Looks like Thibs and staff have been developing Obi up. Let's hope it continues.

Watch on YouTube

I love the bench reaction to the put back dunk. Best moment of the game.

Obi is developing into a nice modern stretch four with good athleticism. You can tell the offense is getting there and he’s finding his game. It really is the one on one defensive concepts he needs to improve on to stay in the game.

You came to this conclusion because he scored 9 points in one game? Developing into what now? Are we watching the same game and the same player??

On a side note, Obi dribbles way too high to succeed in the NBA. He needs to bend that body and get lower on his drives. He's going to get his pocket picked quite a bit if he keeps that up.

[bleedblue3303]

Bullock and Burks were brought in on 1 year deals to be traded at the deadline for low first round/2nd round picks in the best draft in years. We started to drink our own Kool Aid and instead of sticking to the plan we kept them. The truth is we are going to regret not collecting as many assets as possible.

Didn't watch the game, Obi's stats looked decent but only got 10 mins if I'm correct. Don't understand the logic and Randle probably could have used the rest. We are never going to know what we have or how Obi can develop if he doesn't get real minutes in actual game situations. Even if its just to get him good enough to trade him.

More assets? Knicks have how many 2nd round picks in the next few years? Bullock and Burks were NEVER getting you a first..not many teams can even trade a first to begin with, second Knicks already have 2 firsts this year. Cap space, they have that, most in the NBA..so what assets exactly are we regretting missing out on. In fact, I hope they sign back Burks, if they go upgrade the talent Burks off the bench would be nice..

I def understand your point. But with Burks level of play I think hes going to get a much larger contract than I would feel comfortable with us offering. So most likely we will lose him after 1 year. I also think we could have gotten a late first for him. But in regards to second rounders.

Lets refer to tankathon, and please tell me if non of these early second rounders sound promising.
Cam Thomas average 24 points per game
Joel Ayayi Combo guard on the best team in college basketball
BJ Boston down year but a ton of potential
AYO screams potential and averaged 20 pts and 5 assists
Keynote Johnson averaged 28 pts per game.


Now I'm not saying any of these guys will work out. What I am saying is if you throw enough darts one will hit a bullseye. MItch is great example. If we lose Burks after this year I think we would have been better suited having as many 2nd rounders as possible.

[evevale]

So is there no game thread because everyone is depressed or am I missing something?

[NewKnicks]

Same pattern as 2020, 2018, 2017, and 2016.

Playing the sh*t out of veteran rentals in a desperate delusional hope to make the Playoffs, while A) saying F*ck it to draft position in a loaded draft; and B) not giving a single F about your recently drafted low lotto picks.

Same story, just more "successful."

Next phase: Missing the Playoffs and Leon feeling intense pressure to trade for a "superstar" since we certainly won't be drafting one or signing one in FA.

I created my post before reading any of the posts.

Spot on.

Good post by CGMV. I really think we're going for that 'superstar' trade, where we gut the roster and everyone is excited because we landed a 'superstar'. They have kept too many assets to think it's for anything else. With Thibs as the coach, they will not go into a 3-5 year rebuild. Regardless of what Thibs says, he would not have taken the job if that were the case.

We are trading the house for a 'superstar'. Notice I keep putting superstar in quotes. Is KAT going to be available? I could see that one happening. I'm sure a ton of posters think we could get him for Knox, Frank and #1, but they're dreaming. TWolves are going to ask for the farm if they do trade him. I could see a scenario where we include RJ in the deal, and then we're running with Randle/KAT for the 'championship'.

Good times ahead for all!

[NewKnicks]

+1

but we may all be wrong. making the playoffs behind 1 year vets is called "building a culture" now.

Who are these 1 year vets leading the charge?

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Payton
Bullocks
Burks
Noel

Let's see. Two starters, I'd guess playing about 28-30 mpg; a six man averaging about 25 mpg, and a the back up C.
Add in Taj and DRose if anyone is so inclined.

Let's not pretend the Knicks aren't relying heavily on vets. Then again, most of their youth suck, so it's understandable.

Also, while it's a lot of 1 year guys again, at least they are more wing/guard like, so the roster resembles the construction of a modern NBA team, sort of, at least in positions, if not in ability to create shots and hit jumpers. Or at that rate a good team does.

I enjoyed the run but the Knicks should have gone full youth this year and received a better pick.

Then again, they mess picks up too, so I guess there's pretty much nothing to discuss, other than how much the Knicks suck.

Nailed it.

[NewKnicks]

So they're going to trade 2 #1's to get Vuc, then turn around and trade Lavine to get those #1s back? And then what? Build around Vuc?

The only way they would trade him is if he gets fed up with the losing and demanded a trade. But even then, because of the direction they have chosen, I'd think they would try to get another star back or a somewhat proven young player(s), instead of draft picks

he expires after next year. if he says he won't re-sign they have no choice but to trade him.

Sorry, but you're dreaming sham. No way Lavine wants to come to our losing franchise.

[NewKnicks]

Macri made a good point on his postgame tn: how did the Knicks not get Jalen Brunson in the KP deal?

yes, trading KP was ultimately a good thing....but that still doesn't mean we got a good return for him. we got a bad return. the best asset we got from the deal is the 2021 pick which will be 20-22 (unless Mavs are miraculously knocked off in the play-in) and the cap space, tho I still think w/ or w/o KP, they would've gone after Randle (probs not Morris tho)

They probably could have gotten Brunson but Pills wanted DSJ

this makes me sick because you're probably right

[god shammgod]

The only way they would trade him is if he gets fed up with the losing and demanded a trade. But even then, because of the direction they have chosen, I'd think they would try to get another star back or a somewhat proven young player(s), instead of draft picks

he expires after next year. if he says he won't re-sign they have no choice but to trade him.

Sorry, but you're dreaming sham. No way Lavine wants to come to our losing franchise.

i actually said i don't know that he would choose us if you go back and read it. but no, i don't think they've gonna be a winning team now that they got vuc. they're horrible on defense and now they got even worse by making him their center.

[NewKnicks]

I’ll never get the fascination with KAT. He has the impact of bargnani

There are some Knicks fans that want him on the team simply for no other reason than him being from New Jersey and his dad being a Knicks fan.

KAT is in a bad situation for years now. I know his D is not good, but I think that would change in a different scenery. And even if its just average, his offense and rebounding are so great, he could AT LEAST be the 2nd option on a contender.
Even on a **** team, while suffering from covid and injuries he is putting up 24.1 pts / 11.9 reb / 4.3 ast / 1.6 blk on 48.9 %FG / 38.7% 3FG / 87% FT at 25 years old.
Would trade for him right away if we could.

Did you forget where you are? KAT is a bum and is washed up (says a lot of people on here). No, he's still a fantastic player, and would look 10 times better if he was on a winning team. I'd take him in a heartbeat if we could somehow pry him away without giving up the farm.

[DaGawd]

i don't know that we can get lavine but they aint won a game since the vuc trade. that aint gonna be the reason he stays. they still suck.

their schedule since vuc is in the lineup
@spurs
@gsw (with curry back)
@suns
@jazz

I don't know how many games are you supposed to win there. even with vuc&lavine

Hey, don't bring up facts around here. Nobody wants to hear it. The Bulls suck, and there is no chance Vuc and Lavine can play together. I know this because they didn't sweep that schedule.

Conversely I thought the point of making a trade like that was so that you could compete and win a game here and there against teams of those caliber? They couldn’t even beat the likes of the Spurs and Warriors who aren’t exactly powerhouses so what’s the point??