2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[knickstape4ever]

hoping bigs like Sengun, Garuba, Jackson, Jones go early so that some guards can fall to us

[knickstape4ever]

Someone explain to me why Bouknight is a better prospect than Mann because I don't see it....for the Knicks I'd rather have Mann even if Bouk drops to the Knicks because Mann is the better facilitator and seems like the better shooter, too.

Bouk might have better hops and perceived upside potential but Mann just seems like the more versatile and Knicks type of 'gritty' player anyway. Although, I am open to hearing how Bouk is the better prospect if anyone could explain to me why you think it.

I think the difference is athleticism. Bouknight is an elite (or near-elite) athlete, especially vertically

I don't think we can go wrong w/ either tho. both have potential 3 level scoring ability, tho Bouknight is able to do more around the rim due to his athleticism

[mpharris36]

Realistically I wonder how high we could trade up with packaging 19 21 32 and 58. Maybe into the late lotto? I’d even trade for future picks, those would be more useful in a trade later on. We just don’t need to bring in a heap of rookies that will never see playing time here on guaranteed contracts.

I think the knicks make one pick maybe. No way they are bringing in multiple rookies for thibs when he barely plays them now (especially with how impressive IQ was in his rookie campaign).

I think they will try to trade for a star...or like you mentioned trading completely out of the draft for more future picks (basically to keep the assets longer) is an option as well.

I just don't see how we'd have the assets to acquire a star (w/o including RJ). our 2021 and future picks are less valuable now and outside of IQ and maybe Obi, what else is there to offer?

teams like the Warriors and Pelicans to name a couple can easily top any trade package for a star

I think they should keep the picks. look at a team like Denver or Boston, they kept most their picks and had multiple 1sts in a few drafts. that helps keep something sustainable

+ Nets traded #19 last year and the return was Shamet, so unlikely we can get much for our picks

I'd also personally rather trade Obi in a trade-up scenario than trade use both 1sts to move up. sunk cost fallacy comes to mind: Obi was likely drafted to replace Randle and now that Randle is a keeper, very few minutes for Obi....and yes I've heard the argument that they can play together but A) Thibs has shown no willingness to do that outside of 1-2 games at the start of the yr B) this team is built on defense, in large part due to having a rim protecting C

Look what the Nets traded for Harden...it happens. All a star needs to do is force his way out of his current situation and say he wants to play for the knicks. Players usually get what they want.

Harden got traded for Allen, LeVert, plus most likely a bunch of non-lottery picks and swaps. Knicks could put a similar type package together for sure.

[knickstape4ever]

I think the knicks make one pick maybe. No way they are bringing in multiple rookies for thibs when he barely plays them now (especially with how impressive IQ was in his rookie campaign).

I think they will try to trade for a star...or like you mentioned trading completely out of the draft for more future picks (basically to keep the assets longer) is an option as well.

I just don't see how we'd have the assets to acquire a star (w/o including RJ). our 2021 and future picks are less valuable now and outside of IQ and maybe Obi, what else is there to offer?

teams like the Warriors and Pelicans to name a couple can easily top any trade package for a star

I think they should keep the picks. look at a team like Denver or Boston, they kept most their picks and had multiple 1sts in a few drafts. that helps keep something sustainable

+ Nets traded #19 last year and the return was Shamet, so unlikely we can get much for our picks

I'd also personally rather trade Obi in a trade-up scenario than trade use both 1sts to move up. sunk cost fallacy comes to mind: Obi was likely drafted to replace Randle and now that Randle is a keeper, very few minutes for Obi....and yes I've heard the argument that they can play together but A) Thibs has shown no willingness to do that outside of 1-2 games at the start of the yr B) this team is built on defense, in large part due to having a rim protecting C

Look what the Nets traded for Harden...it happens. All a star needs to do is force his way out of his current situation and say he wants to play for the knicks. Players usually get what they want.

Harden got traded for Allen, LeVert, plus most likely a bunch of non-lottery picks and swaps. Knicks could put a similar type package together for sure.

that was a pretty unique circumstance seeing as Philly offered Simmons and they didn't take it. there is a legit possibility that Fertitta wouldn't take the better package b/c of the Morey tweet

Kyrie had us on his list when he wanted out from the Cavs and the Celtics weren't on it. sure, it goes both ways. AD got to the Lakers but they still gave up a big return

I also don't know if I see any stars becoming available. maybe Beal or Lillard? but those guys have been so loyal and they're about to play playoff basketball themselves

[knickstape4ever]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2943287-2021-nba-mock-draft-1st-round-projections-with-regular-season-complete

Wasserman 1st round mock.

1(19) Tre Mann
1(23) Jaden Springer

he has Bouknight going #13 which is a bummer. really hoping he falls, tho I'd be willing to trade up for him

[knickstape4ever]

https://tradenba.com/mock-drafts/HvHv3hdgC

I did a mock simulation (it used ESPN rankings)

1(19) James Bouknight
1(21) Ziaire Williams
2(32) BJ Boston
2(58) Nah'Shon Hyland

I'd be thrilled if this were possible

[8516knicks]

Butler, Usman (Robinson insurance?) and Duarte (if he falls to 2nd round) would be 3 good D players for Thibs with Butler and Duarte able to shoot and create.

[knickstape4ever]

would be great if we can win the random drawing w/ the Hawks and get #19 instead of #20. may be only one spot, but I have a feeling Hawks will also be looking at similar players

[SmoothLefty21]

Read on Twitter

Knew this would happen. Teams would get a close-up look at this kid and fall in love.

[cgf]

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Knew this would happen. Teams would get a close-up look at this kid and fall in love.

...here's to hoping the teams in front of us fall in love with the bigs in this class :-/

[3toheadmelo]

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Knew this would happen. Teams would get a close-up look at this kid and fall in love.

[3toheadmelo]

Tre man/Ayo Dosunmo come on down

[Zenzibar]

Tre man/Ayo Dosunmo come on down

Just saw a clip and be has game.

That fact gives our picks more value, no?

[3toheadmelo]

Tre man/Ayo Dosunmo come on down

Just saw a clip and be has game.

That fact gives our picks more value, no?

depends on how high teams are on those players. so i don’t know

[Richard4444]

We have 2 picks between 19-23. I got really excited about late first-round picks after last year'ss draft although i don't know if a new tendency or a statistic anomaly.

There were many good rookies in the 19-23 pick range in last year's draft.
Saddiq Bay (19th)
Precious (20th)
Maxey (21th)
Hampton (24th)
IQ (25th)
Pritchard (26th)
McDaniels (28th)
Flynn (29th)
Bane (30th)

Nine of the twelve players chosen first in our range had a really good rookie year and looked like they will have solid careers.

[knickstape4ever]

Read on Twitter

Knew this would happen. Teams would get a close-up look at this kid and fall in love.

trade up for him

I've got no problem using Obi to do so. 3 level scoring guard > backup PF

#21 + Obi to the Spurs for #12? they could definitely use a big

[WargamesX]

Do we know who has shored CAA to be their agent yet?

[BugginOut]

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Here is hoping for 19 and 21

[Nazrmohamed]

Realistically I wonder how high we could trade up with packaging 19 21 32 and 58. Maybe into the late lotto? I’d even trade for future picks, those would be more useful in a trade later on. We just don’t need to bring in a heap of rookies that will never see playing time here on guaranteed contracts.

Perhaps the reason you feel this way is because of a perception ( because we've tanked so long) that every draft pick needs to have the potential to someday carry this franchise, often times with guys with low cielings.

Ex.
-I myself, wanted either Frank or DSJ when Donovan Mitchell came out and I remember like a bad dream saying why would we draft a 21yr old. Hes probably maxed out. Boy was I wrong.
- I remember wanting .....well I didn't want Knox but point is we took Knox when Mikal Bridges was available. Some would've taken MPJ who had potential but I maintain that even Bridges would've been such a better move


So I used my own examples cuz I'm not trying to attack you but to say all of us place way too high a value on high cieling but very very very very very low floor players. We're always dying for the guy who won't contribute to winning basketball for 5yrs in a town that only wants to give them 10 games.

Why do we do it to ourselves? Because we were tanking that's why. Well now we aren't. Now we should be looking at guys who playoff teams look at. Last yrs Horton-Tuckers and Desmond Banes. And with that said I can think of a few plug and play guys, the question is would you approve? Would they be too boring. I see a guy like Duarte and think he'll probably be no better than Bullock or Burks but guess what? He'll be that by January of his rookie season. I'm almost certain that Ayo Dusomnu will be a fringe starter but he could be that fringe starter in his first season (actually I think he'll be better than that but safe than sorry).

But yeah, if you can move up then move up. I just dont see the value unless it's top 5 really. I'd give up both picks to move to 10 dont get me wrong but I'm sure it'll take more than that. Maybe Toppin plus 2 picks. That's just allot for me to get Bouknight or Mitchell let's say.

[robillionaire]

Realistically I wonder how high we could trade up with packaging 19 21 32 and 58. Maybe into the late lotto? I’d even trade for future picks, those would be more useful in a trade later on. We just don’t need to bring in a heap of rookies that will never see playing time here on guaranteed contracts.

Perhaps the reason you feel this way is because of a perception ( because we've tanked so long) that every draft pick needs to have the potential to someday carry this franchise, often times with guys with low cielings.

Ex.
-I myself, wanted either Frank or DSJ when Donovan Mitchell came out and I remember like a bad dream saying why would we draft a 21yr old. Hes probably maxed out. Boy was I wrong.
- I remember wanting .....well I didn't want Knox but point is we took Knox when Mikal Bridges was available. Some would've taken MPJ who had potential but I maintain that even Bridges would've been such a better move


So I used my own examples cuz I'm not trying to attack you but to say all of us place way too high a value on high cieling but very very very very very low floor players. We're always dying for the guy who won't contribute to winning basketball for 5yrs in a town that only wants to give them 10 games.

Why do we do it to ourselves? Because we were tanking that's why. Well now we aren't. Now we should be looking at guys who playoff teams look at. Last yrs Horton-Tuckers and Desmond Banes. And with that said I can think of a few plug and play guys, the question is would you approve? Would they be too boring. I see a guy like Duarte and think he'll probably be no better than Bullock or Burks but guess what? He'll be that by January of his rookie season. I'm almost certain that Ayo Dusomnu will be a fringe starter but he could be that fringe starter in his first season (actually I think he'll be better than that but safe than sorry).

But yeah, if you can move up then move up. I just dont see the value unless it's top 5 really. I'd give up both picks to move to 10 dont get me wrong but I'm sure it'll take more than that. Maybe Toppin plus 2 picks. That's just allot for me to get Bouknight or Mitchell let's say.

That's not why though. It's more because we are a win-now team and Thibs is the coach. He just isn't going to play 4 rookies next year. Especially when the team is already pretty young as it is. I mean even toppin, who is 23 and was the national player of the year, isn't playing meaningful minutes this year. I wouldn't expect next year to be much different with whomever we draft. I would rather bring in 1 player for thibs to babysit than 4