PG: Brunson is MVP candidate

[stuporman]

One more point. Knicks management should have been willing to pay IQ. Terrific work ethic, no lack of confidence, great skills. Everyone with even a semblance of basketball ability will end up eventually being overpaid. After destroying Grimes' value, he should have been in the offer to Toronto with either the Knicks or the Dallas pick going, and the Detroit #2 staying. IQ is exactly what we're looking to replace. Stupid, just stupid.

What we think should have happened isn't what the parties involved would have accepted, we don't know if the deal would've gone down without IQ in it and to be quite honest, I'd believe that but is just conjecture. Of course, we also don't know the contract negotiations and desires of the two parties involved, maybe we'll get some insight once we see the contract that finally gets signed.

[BKlutch]

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thibs see this he will never take OG out of the game ever!

So that poster before who couldn't feel good with us paying RJ money for OG in his next contract will just have to deal with it, right? This guy OG - it stands for Only Gold! With him and Brunson, the rest of the starting five are formidable. When we sub in, we suffer. Maybe Mitch will help the D when he returns, but we can't count on that for now.

BTW, with every game, I like OG's offense more and more. He works so well without the ball and shoots so well from 3 that Brun and Ju must feel like they got the greatest Christmas gift of all this year.

[BKlutch]

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And WE helped!

[stuporman]

One more point. Knicks management should have been willing to pay IQ. Terrific work ethic, no lack of confidence, great skills. Everyone with even a semblance of basketball ability will end up eventually being overpaid. After destroying Grimes' value, he should have been in the offer to Toronto with either the Knicks or the Dallas pick going, and the Detroit #2 staying. IQ is exactly what we're looking to replace. Stupid, just stupid.

It must be fun to just get mad and forget that there is another team involved in trades...

Offer more picks. How many are we going to give up to replace IQ?

How many would the Knicks need to give up to get another OG? This is under the assumption that Masai would have accepted more picks instead of IQ which is just a speculated assumption, not a fact. It doesn't matter what the next trade they did involved, either.

There are many more small scoring guards than there are versatile defensive wing/forwards and I love IQ more than anyone trumpism blah blah but OG is a rarer player than IQ. Getting OG is way more important a title contending roster construction than a small scoring guard, especially considering OG's talent level.

Right now, the Knicks have a handful of options they potentially could replace IQ with, cost aside. Yet there is maybe one other player of OG's skill set and caliber in the league altogether that isn't even available and would cost many picks even if they were. Losing IQ sucks, but it's not a catastrophic, unrecoverable blunder.

[sol537]

Fournier, Grimes, 2024 NYK 1st, 2024 Mavs 1st, Det 1st, WAS 1st, three 2nd rounders

For

Mikal Bridges

[DrCoach]

Brunson really is a MVP candidate

[BKlutch]

How many of us knew we were getting OG 24 hours before it was announced?

How many pundits and Twitter influencers knew we were getting OG 24 hours before it was announced?

How many Knicks team member knew we were getting OG 24 hours before it was announced?

So all the great ideas and proposals, and the worries and fears we've had on this board about our next trade aren't necessarily at all that Leo may do (if he does anything). I love thinking about the possibilities, but let's keep in mind, nothing we've discussed is necessarily real.

Spoiler:

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Sometimes I can't even believe we actually got OG.
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[KnicksGadfly]

One more point. Knicks management should have been willing to pay IQ. Terrific work ethic, no lack of confidence, great skills. Everyone with even a semblance of basketball ability will end up eventually being overpaid. After destroying Grimes' value, he should have been in the offer to Toronto with either the Knicks or the Dallas pick going, and the Detroit #2 staying. IQ is exactly what we're looking to replace. Stupid, just stupid.

What we think should have happened isn't what the parties involved would have accepted, we don't know if the deal would've gone down without IQ in it and to be quite honest, I'd believe that but is just conjecture. Of course, we also don't know the contract negotiations and desires of the two parties involved, maybe we'll get some insight once we see the contract that finally gets signed.

I love IQ but I think the only way the Knicks could justify this is if Thibs saw IQ as being able to go-exist with Brunson at the SG position. I thought he could but Thibs does what he does.

I think in Thibs system there usually is a midget scorer off the bench…DJ Augustine, Nate Robinson, Derrick Rose, etc. When IQ was drafted, Thibs even compared him to Lou Williams. IQ ended up outplaying that archetype, but as long as Thibs was stuck in that mindset, there’s no way the team could keep IQ.

In the end, I think the deal between Toronto and NY had to include IQ. Toronto needed a pg way too badly. Probably could have saved RJ, but I think both guys probably needed to go to a new place where they could get more opportunity, even if they loved it here.

[j4remi]

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[ScienceOfLosing]

Fournier, Grimes, 2024 NYK 1st, 2024 Mavs 1st, Det 1st, WAS 1st, three 2nd rounders

For

Mikal Bridges

That is a steal for us. Swap in 2 more unprotected 1sts (for the bad 1sts you mentioned) and a 1st swap and maybe.

[Adelheid]

thibs truly is a madman, with those minutes distributions

[Reign23]

if the hawks are actually considering that lakers offer we probably could get him. i doubt it though. i also don't know what additional draft compensation means. do the lakers even have another first to trade ?

they can trade 26,28,30 swaps and 5-6 seconds. they could get it done imo.

[MrDollarBills]

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I'm concerned about this. OG has hit the 40+ min mark in 3 straight games. This isn't sustainable

[j4remi]

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I'm concerned about this. OG has hit the 40+ min mark in 3 straight games. This isn't sustainable

If it happened against tougher teams, I'd give it a pass. The fact that two of the teams aren't even Play-In teams has me concerned.

[8516knicks]

time to get toxic.. rj 6/16 1/6 from 3 lmaooooo

Ah ah ah. This post is off topic.

Not to mention recycled from each of the past 3 seasons.

[MrDollarBills]

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I'm concerned about this. OG has hit the 40+ min mark in 3 straight games. This isn't sustainable

If it happened against tougher teams, I'd give it a pass. The fact that two of the teams aren't even Play-In teams has me concerned.

Right. This is what's alarming.

I mean, I get that Thibs loves OG but this is a marathon. Dudes legs will be dead by March if this continues.

Hell, Brunson having to clock 40mins to put Washington away isn't helping either. Hopefully some rest is coming.

[8516knicks]

This board is desperate to make a trade.

I'm desperate to make sure Brunson doesn't get Jonathan Bender knees.

Secret camera of Thibs planning...

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[stuporman]

time to get toxic.. rj 6/16 1/6 from 3 lmaooooo

Ah ah ah. This post is off topic.

Not to mention recycled from each of the next 3 seasons.

fify?

[cgmw]

I'm concerned about this. OG has hit the 40+ min mark in 3 straight games. This isn't sustainable

If it happened against tougher teams, I'd give it a pass. The fact that two of the teams aren't even Play-In teams has me concerned.

Right. This is what's alarming.

I mean, I get that Thibs loves OG but this is a marathon. Dudes legs will be dead by March if this continues.

Hell, Brunson having to clock 40mins to put Washington away isn't helping either. Hopefully some rest is coming.

Again, am I the only one seeing OG literally stand still half the game?

Minutes high, sure, but half of them are in the Thibs “4 guys stand still” offense.

Subtracting the 10% of times he’s running the break or catching a backdoor yam from iHart—40 minutes for OG is like 22 minutes of normal hoops and 18 minutes of literally standing still.

[K_ick_God]

If it happened against tougher teams, I'd give it a pass. The fact that two of the teams aren't even Play-In teams has me concerned.

Right. This is what's alarming.

I mean, I get that Thibs loves OG but this is a marathon. Dudes legs will be dead by March if this continues.

Hell, Brunson having to clock 40mins to put Washington away isn't helping either. Hopefully some rest is coming.

Again, am I the only one seeing OG literally stand still half the game?

Minutes high, sure, but half of them are in the Thibs “4 guys stand still” offense.

Subtracting the 10% of times he’s running the break or catching a backdoor yam from iHart—40 minutes for OG is like 22 minutes of normal hoops and 18 minutes of literally standing still.

He seems to like to cut or spot up, so sort of partly his tendency maybe, at least. He also DOES have some 1 on 1 moves. He can go in. Maybe not a fadeaway scorer or multiple counter-moves in the mid range. But he's a pretty long guy to get inside, just that he goes all the way in.

But I hear you, more motion always better.