OG - is he worth the money he’ll demand?

[HarthorneWingo]

Pascal Siakam just signed a max contract of 4 years/$189.5m. That’s $47.4 per season.

[robillionaire]

I'm with Rob. We cannot let OG walk after giving up talent for him.

This is another thing being said that I don’t understand. RJ was/is a net negative player. We couldn’t/wouldn’t resign IQ because we have Jalen. As far as trades go, we gave up very little. That’s not to say don’t resign OG but, a couple of bench players weren’t impacting our contender status.

They were asking 3 firsts for OG. IQ had a high trade value worth at least a couple firsts. We also added a 2nd rounder. RJ who we used a 3rd pick on had a bit of value before the extension and they wouldn’t trade him and Grimes for Donovan Mitchell. Trading this package for essentially nothing would be very very bad. Even if Iq as you say wasn’t going to be brought back we could have traded his value for something else. The good news is that OG isn’t leaving.

If OG leaves, fire Leon.

[Synciere]

I'm with Rob. We cannot let OG walk after giving up talent for him.

This is another thing being said that I don’t understand. RJ was/is a net negative player. We couldn’t/wouldn’t resign IQ because we have Jalen. As far as trades go, we gave up very little. That’s not to say don’t resign OG but, a couple of bench players weren’t impacting our contender status.

They were asking 3 firsts for OG. IQ had a high trade value worth at least a couple firsts. We also added a 2nd rounder. RJ who we used a 3rd pick on had a bit of value before the extension and they wouldn’t trade him and Grimes for Donovan Mitchell. Trading this package for essentially nothing would be very very bad. Even if Iq as you say wasn’t going to be brought back we could have traded his value for something else. The good news is that OG isn’t leaving.

If OG leaves, fire Leon.

They were asking for three firsts a year and a half prior to the actual trade being made. And didn’t get it. The market changed. And as good as IQ was we weren’t getting two firsts for him, stop it. RJ had reached ‘add a bunch of firsts to move him’ status. In hindsight we should’ve given all of them up for Spida, including Grimes. It’s okay for all of us to admit we were wrong about most of our youth. All of this to say, we didn’t give up much at all for OG.

[Fury]

We’re gonna be over the cap anyway. Give him whatever it takes and maneuver the second apron **** after.

[duetta]

They were asking for three firsts a year and a half prior to the actual trade being made. And didn’t get it. The market changed. And as good as IQ was we weren’t getting two firsts for him, stop it. RJ had reached ‘add a bunch of firsts to move him’ status. In hindsight we should’ve given all of them up for Spida, including Grimes. It’s okay for all of us to admit we were wrong about most of our youth. All of this to say, we didn’t give up much at all for OG.

If you were my GM, I would fire you.

[seren]

CAA propaganda. This is so after his agent Leon Rose gives him a max he can say, "we had no choice!??!?". The Knicks will be capped out, no chance at a title, and the CAA mafia can leech from Hart, i Hart, Randle, OG and Brunson long after they get traded off after Leon is fired. Dolan getting fleeced is funny if the team was actually finals capable.

You realize that Rose gave zero max contracts so far, right? And the names you mentioned just got us a 50 win season.

50 wins was the 5th seed in the West. Where do you wsnt the 2nd seed, second round exit banner hung? So far? No kidding. Rj was close though.

You are talking about these players as if they are second comings of Isiah era players. We won with these guys a good amount of games. Every one of them is a positive contract and if we do nothing, we are a 45-50+ win team every year. Plus, You can easily get assets for any of them. We are in a really good place and you are talking as if we are in some sort of cap hell. The franchise has never been in better shape since the 90s and you are getting upset over things that didn’t happen.

[spree8]

CAA propaganda. This is so after his agent Leon Rose gives him a max he can say, "we had no choice!??!?". The Knicks will be capped out, no chance at a title, and the CAA mafia can leech from Hart, i Hart, Randle, OG and Brunson long after they get traded off after Leon is fired. Dolan getting fleeced is funny if the team was actually finals capable.

You realize that Rose gave zero max contracts so far, right? And the names you mentioned just got us a 50 win season.

50 wins was the 5th seed in the West. Where do you wsnt the 2nd seed, second round exit banner hung? So far? No kidding. Rj was close though.

You’re kinda forgetting that we got to 50 wins without Randle, Mitch, and OG for the majority of the season tho.

[NoLayupRule]

"ton of success" ... my god the thirst

no

we had 20 wins with him and 3 losses with him in the regular season

Id say thats a ton of success

short sample size but nothing about his play in those games was out of character for him

[robillionaire]

This is another thing being said that I don’t understand. RJ was/is a net negative player. We couldn’t/wouldn’t resign IQ because we have Jalen. As far as trades go, we gave up very little. That’s not to say don’t resign OG but, a couple of bench players weren’t impacting our contender status.

They were asking 3 firsts for OG. IQ had a high trade value worth at least a couple firsts. We also added a 2nd rounder. RJ who we used a 3rd pick on had a bit of value before the extension and they wouldn’t trade him and Grimes for Donovan Mitchell. Trading this package for essentially nothing would be very very bad. Even if Iq as you say wasn’t going to be brought back we could have traded his value for something else. The good news is that OG isn’t leaving.

If OG leaves, fire Leon.

They were asking for three firsts a year and a half prior to the actual trade being made. And didn’t get it. The market changed. And as good as IQ was we weren’t getting two firsts for him, stop it. RJ had reached ‘add a bunch of firsts to move him’ status. In hindsight we should’ve given all of them up for Spida, including Grimes. It’s okay for all of us to admit we were wrong about most of our youth. All of this to say, we didn’t give up much at all for OG.

I’m just gonna kinda sorta disagree with you, I don’t think the market for OG changed or if it did it didn’t change much. Maybe they wouldn’t have gotten 3 firsts but easily 2. I just think you’re undervaluing how much the Raptors valued the players we sent. IQ being their starting PG of the future who played really well for us and them and then RJ being a hometown reclamation project whose contract wasn’t nearly “bunch of firsts to move him” bad

[HarthorneWingo]

We’re gonna be over the cap anyway. Give him whatever it takes and maneuver the second apron **** after.

[Luv those Knicks]

If I had faith in OG's health, a max offer would be a no brainer.

And he's just 26. Surprisingly young for how long he's been in the league.

The concern is games played:

43 (20-21)
48 (21-22)
67 (22-23)
50 (23-24)

I don't know where I come down on this. I LOVE him when he's healthy.

[spree2kawhi]

If I had faith in OG's health, a max offer would be a no brainer.

And he's just 26. Surprisingly young for how long he's been in the league.

The concern is games played:

43 (20-21)
48 (21-22)
67 (22-23)
50 (23-24)

I don't know where I come down on this. I LOVE him when he's healthy.

You just cannot let such a player walk. Maybe trade for Kawhi too, so you always have one of them

Now that I think about it ……..

[Synciere]

They were asking for three firsts a year and a half prior to the actual trade being made. And didn’t get it. The market changed. And as good as IQ was we weren’t getting two firsts for him, stop it. RJ had reached ‘add a bunch of firsts to move him’ status. In hindsight we should’ve given all of them up for Spida, including Grimes. It’s okay for all of us to admit we were wrong about most of our youth. All of this to say, we didn’t give up much at all for OG.

If you were my GM, I would fire you.

If you were my GM……..

You wouldn’t be my GM.

[Synciere]

They were asking 3 firsts for OG. IQ had a high trade value worth at least a couple firsts. We also added a 2nd rounder. RJ who we used a 3rd pick on had a bit of value before the extension and they wouldn’t trade him and Grimes for Donovan Mitchell. Trading this package for essentially nothing would be very very bad. Even if Iq as you say wasn’t going to be brought back we could have traded his value for something else. The good news is that OG isn’t leaving.

If OG leaves, fire Leon.

They were asking for three firsts a year and a half prior to the actual trade being made. And didn’t get it. The market changed. And as good as IQ was we weren’t getting two firsts for him, stop it. RJ had reached ‘add a bunch of firsts to move him’ status. In hindsight we should’ve given all of them up for Spida, including Grimes. It’s okay for all of us to admit we were wrong about most of our youth. All of this to say, we didn’t give up much at all for OG.

I’m just gonna kinda sorta disagree with you, I don’t think the market for OG changed or if it did it didn’t change much. Maybe they wouldn’t have gotten 3 firsts but easily 2. I just think you’re undervaluing how much the Raptors valued the players we sent. IQ being their starting PG of the future who played really well for us and them and then RJ being a hometown reclamation project whose contract wasn’t nearly “bunch of firsts to move him” bad

Okay, because clearly they never got the three firsts so that wasn’t his value. Also, as we all know, all firsts aren’t built the same. A pu pu platter of protected picks most likely doesn’t do anything for most GMs.

I love IQ as a player and think he still has a real chance to blow up, but he’s not really proven yet, and that’s what teams are looking for if they’re giving up multiple picks for a guy. Does he clearly move the needle? IQ was second to Malcolm Brogdon in the sixth man race. Would you have given up three firsts for Brogdon? This board would have blown a gasket and screamed Fire Leon! if he ever even thought about giving up three firsts for an IQ.

I’m not even going to start in on RJ again. It’s too nice outside.

[Synciere]

We’re gonna be over the cap anyway. Give him whatever it takes and maneuver the second apron **** after.

Basically. The problem most likely solves itself if someone makes a legit offer for Hartenstein anyway, which is definitely possible.

[thebuzzardman]

OG sign with Philly yet?

[seren]

If I had faith in OG's health, a max offer would be a no brainer.

And he's just 26. Surprisingly young for how long he's been in the league.

The concern is games played:

43 (20-21)
48 (21-22)
67 (22-23)
50 (23-24)

I don't know where I come down on this. I LOVE him when he's healthy.

As much as I love OG, you don’t max out role players no matter how great they are. Even a guy like Draymond Green never got the full max. To put in context a max contract for OG would be around $49 million a year. The $35 million annual number sounds much more plausible. I am really hoping that a fifth year player option can bring it a bit lower than that as well

[robillionaire]

They were asking for three firsts a year and a half prior to the actual trade being made. And didn’t get it. The market changed. And as good as IQ was we weren’t getting two firsts for him, stop it. RJ had reached ‘add a bunch of firsts to move him’ status. In hindsight we should’ve given all of them up for Spida, including Grimes. It’s okay for all of us to admit we were wrong about most of our youth. All of this to say, we didn’t give up much at all for OG.

I’m just gonna kinda sorta disagree with you, I don’t think the market for OG changed or if it did it didn’t change much. Maybe they wouldn’t have gotten 3 firsts but easily 2. I just think you’re undervaluing how much the Raptors valued the players we sent. IQ being their starting PG of the future who played really well for us and them and then RJ being a hometown reclamation project whose contract wasn’t nearly “bunch of firsts to move him” bad

Okay, because clearly they never got the three firsts so that wasn’t his value. Also, as we all know, all firsts aren’t built the same. A pu pu platter of protected picks most likely doesn’t do anything for most GMs.

I love IQ as a player and think he still has a real chance to blow up, but he’s not really proven yet, and that’s what teams are looking for if they’re giving up multiple picks for a guy. Does he clearly move the needle? IQ was second to Malcolm Brogdon in the sixth man race. Would you have given up three firsts for Brogdon? This board would have blown a gasket and screamed Fire Leon! if he ever even thought about giving up three firsts for an IQ.

I’m not even going to start in on RJ again. It’s too nice outside.

IQ is like 30 years younger than Brogdon and still on a rookie contract come on man

[HarthorneWingo]

If I had faith in OG's health, a max offer would be a no brainer.

And he's just 26. Surprisingly young for how long he's been in the league.

The concern is games played:

43 (20-21)
48 (21-22)
67 (22-23)
50 (23-24)

I don't know where I come down on this. I LOVE him when he's healthy.

As much as I love OG, you don’t max out role players no matter how great they are. Even a guy like Draymond Green never got the full max. To put in context a max contract for OG would be around $49 million a year. The $35 million annual number sounds much more plausible. I am really hoping that a fifth year player option can bring it a bit lower than that as well

OG's Response:

Siakam's making $12 million per year more than me?

[seren]

If I had faith in OG's health, a max offer would be a no brainer.

And he's just 26. Surprisingly young for how long he's been in the league.

The concern is games played:

43 (20-21)
48 (21-22)
67 (22-23)
50 (23-24)

I don't know where I come down on this. I LOVE him when he's healthy.

As much as I love OG, you don’t max out role players no matter how great they are. Even a guy like Draymond Green never got the full max. To put in context a max contract for OG would be around $49 million a year. The $35 million annual number sounds much more plausible. I am really hoping that a fifth year player option can bring it a bit lower than that as well

OG's Response:

Siakam's making $12 million per year more than me?

I love OG but let’s get real. Siakam is a two time NBA all-star and two time all NBA. He averaged 20+ ppg for five consecutive seasons. When Toronto won the championship, he averaged 19 a game during the playoffs.

OG is a great fit for this team and he deserves a big contract but these stats matter. You can build a championship team where Siakam is your second best offensive weapon. You can’t do the same with OG. As I said, Draymond never got a max contract. There is a reason for that despite obviously having much better careers than either of these guys we talk about. You can’t max someone who is a role player on the offensive end.