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VirginiaKnickFan wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Knicks get
KAT
or
Bam
or
Ayton
or
Looney
or
Kessler
or
Olynyk
or
Precious
or
Huff
or
Mamukelashvili
or
Theis
or
A Plumlee
or
Biyombo
or
Wiseman
or
Yurtseven
or
Metu
or
McGee
yet?
Have no fear, Leon is on it.
cgf wrote:aggo wrote:VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
our definition of soft are completely different.
Damn that’s almost as bad as KAT’s first 15 playoff games
RIP magsMoose wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:finestrg wrote:Honestly, I would've been fine with Jay Huff. ECSTATIC even.. I mean what was wrong with this guy? He would've been PERFECT.
So let me get this straight -- Memphis, who already had Jaren Jackson Jr. and drafted Zach Edey, just signed Huff to a 2-way deal... They even cut Trey Jemison to make room for him, a guy I think you could make a good case for that he's better than Jericho Sims...
Meanwhile over here, Hartenstein bolts on us (happy for him but I'm glad we didn't pay that kind of money to keep him -- let OKC have him for that amount), all of these trade ideas for a legit C have gone nowhere, we still have a huge need in the middle (Mitch ain't even that good, far from a complete player and I feel like we'll be lucky to get 30 games out of him and Jericho Sims isn't even an NBA player), and we show no interest in a guy like Jay Huff???
Listen, I've come to respect Leon Rose and all the geniuses surrounding him, no question about it.. These guys obviously know what they're doing and I'm so appreciate and grateful for what they've done...100% agree with the two big moves we made this off-season -- the Bridges trade and bringing back OG. Both had to be done...But now turning our attention to suring up the middle, none of these trade ideas we've been linked to felt real or seemed even remotely feasible. Doesn't mean that you don't stop working the phones.. My thing though -- why not go out and sign Jay Huff for insurance WHILE CONTINUING to work the phones?? With all the good that Rose and co. have done and continue to do, I feel like we missed an opportunity not signing Jay Huff here.
Here's my super real opinion of Hartenstein (and I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this) -- did a nice job for us, probably better than Mitch pound for pound, but now that he got the type of money he did, I'm putting him on my overrated list. Like Mitch, he's a limited player in a lot of areas. Nice player, was useful and helpful, but not worth $87 M over 3 yrs. Come on, that's absurd.. I think you could make A VERY GOOD CASE how Jay Huff, with his size and skill set, could EASILY turn into an even better player than Hartenstein if given the same opportunities... Even a better overall player than Walker Kessler....And hey, even if I'm wrong about that, signing Huff to a minimal deal with much less expectation than I have for him would've been the right thing. I mean you know the Knicks know about this dude -- I bet if Huff's agent was smart, knowing the Knicks sudden derth of options in the middle, he probably reached out to the Knicks himself, in a 'hey, what about my guy?' way. I know i would've if I were Huff's agent.. I mean say that happened, what did Leon say to him, 'no thanks'??????
I see a huge missed opportunity not getting Huff -- We should've signed this man to a two-way deal while we continue exploring these pie-in-the-sky trades ideas of a C... I mean what's the latest rumor now that made me laugh? A trade for DeAndre Ayton? LOL Ok... I mean come on, please... But no, I have to read that he went to Memphis, a team whose 5 spot was already a strength... smh
Jay Huff was clearly the way to go but under the bridge now.. My 2nd choice going back weeks now in Omer Yurtseven. He's still out there... Maybe we gobble him up now before he's gone too.
Agree really strongly with this.
iShart went from underrated to now fairly overrated. There are other players who can do what he does. It just seemed magical because Mitch can't do dick but dunk.
Really agree that the FO dropped the ball, BIG TIME, with a guy like Huff, or drafting a big, not some crappy project big with the 58th pick either.
This FO is good, but occasionally they get cute and it bites them in the ass. This is one of those times.
To be fair, we don't really know if it's going to bite them in the ass yet.
They may run Mitch/Precious/Randle out of the 5 spot then make whatever the required move is at the deadline.
I would love a legit backup center who can also start (Kessler?), but maybe the market isn't where it needs to be right now.
REPORT: Knicks could “intentionally overpay”
Precious Achiuwa
Welcome to the era of the “Human Trade Exception.”
By Antonio Losada
If you think the New York Knicks are running out of time to add the final pieces to the roster aimed at contending for the NBA championship from the moment the ball tips off next October... you might want to reconsider your thoughts.
Say hi to the “Human Trade Exception,” the new concept people around NBA front offices have come up with regarding the overpaying of players in this new financial environment, according to Fred Katz of The Athletic.
“The New York Knicks have no reason to rush.
“The Knicks’ goal is not to construct the league’s best roster on Day 1. It’s to be the last team standing. To do so, they may have to get creative.
“Not only could they hold onto their few remaining trade assets, but they could also intentionally overpay Achiuwa.” — The Athletic’s Fred Katz
The Knicks still lack a proper backup big in their roster. Jericho Sims will remain with the team for the upcoming season after New York picked up his team option. The Knicks also drafted big German Ariel Hukporti in the second round of this summer draft. That is probably not going to cut it, even more considering Mitchell Robinson’s injury woes.
Of course, the easiest solution would be to re-sign free agent Precious Achiuwa. He’s unrestricted and he can sign with whomever he wants to, for whatever he’s offered and willing to take. That said, the expectation—growing with each passing day he remains on the loose—has always been for him and the Knicks to find common ground and reunite in Manhattan at some point before the start of the regular season.
This extraordinary delay in reaching a deal, however, might have been kinda agreed to between both parties.
“Because of quirks in the new collective bargaining agreement, re-signing Achiuwa to an above-market contract, even if he couldn’t score more than a minimum salary at the moment, could give the Knicks more trade options come February’s deadline.
“Because the Knicks are above the first apron, they are not allowed to acquire more salary than they send out in a trade. Thus, if they handed Achiuwa the minimum, it would limit the number of players the team could deal him for during the season. But if they gave him in the realm of $7 million in 2024-25 salary, that would open up their options.
This concept will become increasingly common in the NBA. People in front offices around the league are already referring to the intentional overpay as “the human trade exception.” The move will grow in popularity with teams above the first or second apron.” — The Athletic’s Fred Katz
As Katz points out, the Knicks gave up most of their draft assets in the trade for Mikal Bridges. As things stand, New York only has a few second-round picks, a first-round belonging to the Pistons and heavily protected (1-13) in 2025, and another 2025-protected (1-10) first-rounder from Washington.
In other words, the Knicks will need to either 1) bring Achiuwa back on a minimum and run with the former Rap man for the full season, 2) trade a whole lot of second-round picks and one/two high-salaried players (perhaps Julius Randle, perhaps Mitchell Robinson) to land the mythical “final piece,” or 3) overpay for Achiuwa and wait for the right time to swing a deal including Achiuwa and a minimum-salary player to land a reasonably good player before the trade deadline.
https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2024/7/28/24207983/report-knicks-could-intentionally-overpay-precious-achiuwa?utm_source=pocket_shared
N Y K wrote:Extend randle 5/A billie
sol537 wrote:Mitch, McBride, Sims, DET 1st for Stewart, Duren… you never know
Capn'O wrote:I wonder what Paul Reed's feelings are about metal bats.
aggo wrote:N Y K wrote:Extend randle 5/A billie
if we extend randle it will become our new joakim Noah moment
