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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Murder' The Magic!!! 

Post#321 » by KnixinSix » Wed Dec 4, 2024 7:48 pm

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You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...


Mikal deal looking shaky and probably an overpay but can be worth it if we win. The grimes trade last year was bad. The reddish trade was bad but they recovered with the Hart theft. A few questionable signings like Kemba and Fournier and Mitch but overall nothing too killer. Every other deal looking pretty solid to me.


no one is going to bat 100% in moves.

I don't see how you can call the Grimes trade a bad trade. The purpose of that trade was to move off Fournier and acquire Bogs/Burks that could help us this year...and then be able to use the Bogs expiring next year to acquire a player in the future. Which was used as matching salary for Bridges...so the trade had multiple purposes. Also Grimes is notorious streaky player...he had 3 really good games in Dallas but I don't trust him...even in college he was a streaky shooter...DET even traded him after we did.

The Reddish move was probably our worse move...they probably tried to acquire a talented player for below market (they felt) and get him into our "system" and turn his talent into a winning player but it didn't click because he just wasn't a thibs guy. Ultimately that was good to know...because FO rarely has acquired a non thibs guy and tried to put him onto the team. All the guys we are now acquiring seem to fit how we want to play and buy-in. So sometimes mistakes help you learn and they pivoted to Hart who is one of our best moves.

I didn't like the early FA moves for Kemba and Fournier they were chasing Thibs wins but they were acquiring non defensive players.

Ultimately everything comes back to Brunson though. As much as Thibs built the winning culture...so did Brunson. We had that bubble playoff run with the Randle led team which wasn't sustainable. We got washed by ATL in the playoffs.

Brunson changed the game and got to give Leon credit....his relationship there helped us build this foundation.



Mikal deal is not shaky if his first 15 or so game performance was simply and mainly part of the acclimation process. So many are ready to write him off not understanding coming to a new team and learning a new system often has a learning curve involved both for the player and the coaching.
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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Murder' The Magic!!! 

Post#322 » by Guano » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:10 pm

Greens had the vision and Brunson delivered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Guano wrote:Greens had the vision and Brunson delivered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Guano wrote:Greens had the vision and Brunson delivered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No. It was pure slander! You should all do the walk off shame and repent for sinning against HIM! BLASPHEMOUS SWINE!!


Visionaries are usually never credited for their contributions but instead met with scorn and ridicule. I for one will always 'preciate greens brilliance and courage.


plus i dont want to be killed in his basement
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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Murder' The Magic!!! 

Post#326 » by NY2k1 » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:21 pm

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Being wrong has never felt this good


You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...


Mikal deal looking shaky and probably an overpay but can be worth it if we win. The grimes trade last year was bad. The reddish trade was bad but they recovered with the Hart theft. A few questionable signings like Kemba and Fournier and Mitch but overall nothing too killer. Every other deal looking pretty solid to me.


Mitch? Disagree there. 4/60 contract for what he brings is/was fair.
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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Murder' The Magic!!! 

Post#327 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:27 pm

Guano wrote:
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Guano wrote:Greens had the vision and Brunson delivered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No. It was pure slander! You should all do the walk off shame and repent for sinning against HIM! BLASPHEMOUS SWINE!!


Visionaries are usually never credited for their contributions but instead met with scorn and ridicule. I for one will always 'preciate greens brilliance and courage.


plus i dont want to be killed in his basement


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Post#328 » by SOMEKnicks » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:28 pm

I am not old enough to remember the Clyde years, but I have never seen the Knicks move the ball so well as they have been doing this season! What a treat when all of your guys on the floor are so good in reading the game, passing and moving around without the ball. What an unusual experience after decades of watching Patrick or Melo slugging it out solo on offense while others stood around and watched.
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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Murder' The Magic!!! 

Post#329 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:34 pm

Guano wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Guano wrote:Greens had the vision and Brunson delivered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No. It was pure slander! You should all do the walk off shame and repent for sinning against HIM! BLASPHEMOUS SWINE!!


Visionaries are usually never credited for their contributions but instead met with scorn and ridicule. I for one will always 'preciate greens brilliance and courage.


plus i dont want to be killed in his basement

You right now in green satan’s basement
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Post#330 » by Galvationknicks » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:40 pm

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HEZI wrote:Props to Thibs for knowing what he’s doing. Out coached another opponent


Ihart mentioned last season that he’s never been more prepared than playing for Thibs and he came from playing under Lue. He has his flaws but he’s a damn good coach


As one of the bigger Thibs haters/doubters on this board, I have no quarrel with any of this. The guy is a good coach in many aspects and unquestionably gets results.

Don't forget Jamal Crawford said the exact same thing about thibs. Maybe he is a good coach lol
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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Murder' The Magic!!! 

Post#331 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:42 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Guano wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
No. It was pure slander! You should all do the walk off shame and repent for sinning against HIM! BLASPHEMOUS SWINE!!


Visionaries are usually never credited for their contributions but instead met with scorn and ridicule. I for one will always 'preciate greens brilliance and courage.


plus i dont want to be killed in his basement

You right now in green satan’s basement
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Post#332 » by Capn'O » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:44 pm

Yah, Thibs is a fine coach. He's a maniac. But a fine coach.
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Post#333 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:47 pm

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The KAT impact, this is only the second time in his career that he's played with a stretch 5. The first time was his rookie year when he played in a lineup with Brook Lopez and it was among their best of the season. Now he's got an elite shooting stretch 5 and has free reign to drive or crash the glass without there being a C in the lane, he's like a kid in a candy store that got into sham's stash of dust.
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Post#334 » by Spree2Houston » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:01 pm

in terms of pure talent, I put this team up there in the top 5 most talented Knick teams in the past 30 years

1)92-93
2)96-97
3) 24-25
4) 99
5) 99-00
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Post#335 » by robillionaire » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:02 pm

NY2k1 wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...


Mikal deal looking shaky and probably an overpay but can be worth it if we win. The grimes trade last year was bad. The reddish trade was bad but they recovered with the Hart theft. A few questionable signings like Kemba and Fournier and Mitch but overall nothing too killer. Every other deal looking pretty solid to me.


Mitch? Disagree there. 4/60 contract for what he brings is/was fair.


Many would say that’s a lot of money for a perpetually injured backup rim runner but thanks for catching and acknowledging my little dig there :lol:
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Post#336 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:07 pm

robillionaire wrote:
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Mikal deal looking shaky and probably an overpay but can be worth it if we win. The grimes trade last year was bad. The reddish trade was bad but they recovered with the Hart theft. A few questionable signings like Kemba and Fournier and Mitch but overall nothing too killer. Every other deal looking pretty solid to me.


Mitch? Disagree there. 4/60 contract for what he brings is/was fair.


Many would say that’s a lot of money for a perpetually injured backup rim runner but thanks for catching and acknowledging my little dig there :lol:




Mitch signed his deal in summer of 2022, the Knicks have played 183 regular season games since then, he has played in 90 of them.


Safe to say his deal has been a complete bust, and the "wait till Mitch gets back" phrase must have been said here at least thousands of times.
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Post#337 » by KnixinSix » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:07 pm

SOMEKnicks wrote:I am not old enough to remember the Clyde years, but I have never seen the Knicks move the ball so well as they have been doing this season! What a treat when all of your guys on the floor are so good in reading the game, passing and moving around without the ball. What an unusual experience after decades of watching Patrick or Melo slugging it out solo on offense while others stood around and watched.


Been watching since the late 80's ....this team is the best Knick offense I have seen to date. The advanced metrics not only agree with that assertion but say we may very well be on a historic landmark pace too.
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Post#338 » by Guano » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:08 pm

Thibs biggest endorsement of being a great coach is this.
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Post#339 » by KnixinSix » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:09 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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Mitch? Disagree there. 4/60 contract for what he brings is/was fair.


Many would say that’s a lot of money for a perpetually injured backup rim runner but thanks for catching and acknowledging my little dig there :lol:




Mitch signed his deal in summer of 2022, the Knicks have played 183 regular season games since then, he has played in 90 of them.


Safe to say his deal has been a complete bust, and the "wait till Mitch gets back" phrase must have been said here at least thousands of times.


About 50% give or take. So when he comes back at about game 40 , he play the next 40 or so. That might just work out well for us. :lol:

Or of course you trade Dadiet, Kolek and 2FRPs for Kessler
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Post#340 » by robillionaire » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:12 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:I am not old enough to remember the Clyde years, but I have never seen the Knicks move the ball so well as they have been doing this season! What a treat when all of your guys on the floor are so good in reading the game, passing and moving around without the ball. What an unusual experience after decades of watching Patrick or Melo slugging it out solo on offense while others stood around and watched.


Been watching since the late 80's ....this team is the best Knick offense I have seen to date. The advanced metrics not only agree with that assertion but say we may very well be on a historic landmark pace too.


we have struggled at times like the 15 point first quarters against Utah and Dallas so there are still some matchup situations that might bother us. But when everything is clicking we look unstoppable

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