PG: fake contenders

[3toheadmelo]

We don't get OG if we got Mitchell

We were never seriously getting DM. Ainge played us to get the Cavs back to the table with a better offer. We were used like we always are when teams/players want leverage or more money/assets in trade. Two years later we are still listening to people crying about this. Two months of trade talks? Please. Ainge was playing the Knicks for either a ridiculous package or to get a better offer from someone else. That's when Leon walked away. AINGE HATES THE KNICKS.

And I think walking away from it at that time was the right move. Obviously you can always go back and point at Cavs success right now as proof that the midget backcourt works. But keep in mind Cleveland has two durable, mobile, athletic, great defending 7 footer up front. One of them DPOY candidate. The Knicks have Mitch (plays 30 games a season) and KAT (little defense). Bein cautious with a JB-DM backcourt was the rational call IMO. Giving up 5 FRPs for Bridges was insanity.

In those infamous 8 games Bridges averaged:

13points/2rebounds/2assists on 45% and 28%. He shot 3 FTs in all those 8 games combined. Let that sink in. Not per game but overall. He didn't shoot a single FT in two games against OKC. Shot 1 FT in 3 games against Boston and 2 FTs in 3 games against Cleveland. How is that even possible?
Like when the games matter most, you get the most passive, lethargic, uninspired version of Bridges. If this team gets past Detroit, be ready for Bridges getting 10points per game against Boston. It is insane to say but there is a possibility he could end up not shooting a single FT in that series despite averaging 35+minutes.

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

[Guano]

We were never seriously getting DM. Ainge played us to get the Cavs back to the table with a better offer. We were used like we always are when teams/players want leverage or more money/assets in trade. Two years later we are still listening to people crying about this. Two months of trade talks? Please. Ainge was playing the Knicks for either a ridiculous package or to get a better offer from someone else. That's when Leon walked away. AINGE HATES THE KNICKS.

And I think walking away from it at that time was the right move. Obviously you can always go back and point at Cavs success right now as proof that the midget backcourt works. But keep in mind Cleveland has two durable, mobile, athletic, great defending 7 footer up front. One of them DPOY candidate. The Knicks have Mitch (plays 30 games a season) and KAT (little defense). Bein cautious with a JB-DM backcourt was the rational call IMO. Giving up 5 FRPs for Bridges was insanity.

In those infamous 8 games Bridges averaged:

13points/2rebounds/2assists on 45% and 28%. He shot 3 FTs in all those 8 games combined. Let that sink in. Not per game but overall. He didn't shoot a single FT in two games against OKC. Shot 1 FT in 3 games against Boston and 2 FTs in 3 games against Cleveland. How is that even possible?
Like when the games matter most, you get the most passive, lethargic, uninspired version of Bridges. If this team gets past Detroit, be ready for Bridges getting 10points per game against Boston. It is insane to say but there is a possibility he could end up not shooting a single FT in that series despite averaging 35+minutes.

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Well they were trying to deflect blame to og but that avenue is closed. So they're only route is to blame thibs now.

[3toheadmelo]

And I think walking away from it at that time was the right move. Obviously you can always go back and point at Cavs success right now as proof that the midget backcourt works. But keep in mind Cleveland has two durable, mobile, athletic, great defending 7 footer up front. One of them DPOY candidate. The Knicks have Mitch (plays 30 games a season) and KAT (little defense). Bein cautious with a JB-DM backcourt was the rational call IMO. Giving up 5 FRPs for Bridges was insanity.

In those infamous 8 games Bridges averaged:

13points/2rebounds/2assists on 45% and 28%. He shot 3 FTs in all those 8 games combined. Let that sink in. Not per game but overall. He didn't shoot a single FT in two games against OKC. Shot 1 FT in 3 games against Boston and 2 FTs in 3 games against Cleveland. How is that even possible?
Like when the games matter most, you get the most passive, lethargic, uninspired version of Bridges. If this team gets past Detroit, be ready for Bridges getting 10points per game against Boston. It is insane to say but there is a possibility he could end up not shooting a single FT in that series despite averaging 35+minutes.

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Well they were trying to deflect blame to og but that avenue is closed. So they're only route is to blame thibs now.

Welp

[Guano]

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Well they were trying to deflect blame to og but that avenue is closed. So they're only route is to blame thibs now.

Welp

Which there is a lil truth to it. He isn't put in motion much. But that isn't going to change the fact we gave up 5 picks for Rip Hamilton. Even if thibs utilized his skills a lil more it isn't justifying the trade. And tto make it worse the contract were about to give him...

[Fury]

We were never seriously getting DM. Ainge played us to get the Cavs back to the table with a better offer. We were used like we always are when teams/players want leverage or more money/assets in trade. Two years later we are still listening to people crying about this. Two months of trade talks? Please. Ainge was playing the Knicks for either a ridiculous package or to get a better offer from someone else. That's when Leon walked away. AINGE HATES THE KNICKS.

And I think walking away from it at that time was the right move. Obviously you can always go back and point at Cavs success right now as proof that the midget backcourt works. But keep in mind Cleveland has two durable, mobile, athletic, great defending 7 footer up front. One of them DPOY candidate. The Knicks have Mitch (plays 30 games a season) and KAT (little defense). Bein cautious with a JB-DM backcourt was the rational call IMO. Giving up 5 FRPs for Bridges was insanity.

In those infamous 8 games Bridges averaged:

13points/2rebounds/2assists on 45% and 28%. He shot 3 FTs in all those 8 games combined. Let that sink in. Not per game but overall. He didn't shoot a single FT in two games against OKC. Shot 1 FT in 3 games against Boston and 2 FTs in 3 games against Cleveland. How is that even possible?
Like when the games matter most, you get the most passive, lethargic, uninspired version of Bridges. If this team gets past Detroit, be ready for Bridges getting 10points per game against Boston. It is insane to say but there is a possibility he could end up not shooting a single FT in that series despite averaging 35+minutes.

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Not great, and the only thing that could rectify it is a good playoff performance.

[Fury]

What I liked about the Bridges trade is that as a 3rd or 4th guy, he's really valuable. I think you can win a title with him as the 3rd or 4th guy. But he needs to show that in big games. If he can get closer to how he plays vs certain teams vs the top 3 teams in the league, then the trade can be a slam dunk, cause all that matters is winning. But if he does the same thing in the playoffs, then it's a disaster.

[HopelessKnick]

We were never seriously getting DM. Ainge played us to get the Cavs back to the table with a better offer. We were used like we always are when teams/players want leverage or more money/assets in trade. Two years later we are still listening to people crying about this. Two months of trade talks? Please. Ainge was playing the Knicks for either a ridiculous package or to get a better offer from someone else. That's when Leon walked away. AINGE HATES THE KNICKS.

And I think walking away from it at that time was the right move. Obviously you can always go back and point at Cavs success right now as proof that the midget backcourt works. But keep in mind Cleveland has two durable, mobile, athletic, great defending 7 footer up front. One of them DPOY candidate. The Knicks have Mitch (plays 30 games a season) and KAT (little defense). Bein cautious with a JB-DM backcourt was the rational call IMO. Giving up 5 FRPs for Bridges was insanity.

In those infamous 8 games Bridges averaged:

13points/2rebounds/2assists on 45% and 28%. He shot 3 FTs in all those 8 games combined. Let that sink in. Not per game but overall. He didn't shoot a single FT in two games against OKC. Shot 1 FT in 3 games against Boston and 2 FTs in 3 games against Cleveland. How is that even possible?
Like when the games matter most, you get the most passive, lethargic, uninspired version of Bridges. If this team gets past Detroit, be ready for Bridges getting 10points per game against Boston. It is insane to say but there is a possibility he could end up not shooting a single FT in that series despite averaging 35+minutes.

I agree we overpaid. The last two picks are too much. Oh well.

We have yet to face anyone at full steam. We were one day old and two weeks old for two of those games. We choked away at least two of those games. Boston has been the Knicks killer this season. Again...we have yet to play any of them at full strength. We were still working on chemistry and still are. Maybe this isn't the year but, there is a very good core of 7-8 guys here. Build on it. Keep developing youth as we go. Fun times honestly.

I'm with you on every single point you made. However, I think the fact we have close to zero tradable assets left along with the fact we haven't seen the KAT-Mitch frontcourt and Mitch, after 15 games still playing only 15minutes per game is concerning and discouraging. I played myself semi-competitive basketball in europe and usually when a team beats you up that bad, there aren't any magical turnarounds. I would be frankly shocked if we win 2 or more games against Boston. Sure, having a team at full strength helps, and hopefully Mitch will be much better by then but I'm not very hopeful today to be honest.

I know going 9-6 without Brunson is solid but considering the fact we beat:

Atlanta (without Jalen Johnson) and sub .500 team
Philly (without Maxey, George, Embiid) and tanking hard
Portland twice, Dallas, Washington (without Ayton, Grant, Irving etc.)
Miami on a 7 game losing streak
Sacramento
Milwaukee without Lillard

while losing twice to the Clippers, GS, San Antonio, Cleveland and Charlotte

I truly think that 9-6 has to be put into perspective. Still solid but nothin to get overly excited about. This team without Brunson is essentially a .500 team....same as before IMO. Maybe slightly better. Let's see how the playoffs shake out.

[HopelessKnick]

If you look at Boston their rotation is:

Holiday-White-Brown-Tatum-Porzingis with Pritchard, Hauser, Horford and Kornet off the bench. Literally their entire starting 5 consists of 2-way players that can all shoot the 3 comfortably. Then they have 3 more excellent shooters off the bench. Kornet is their lone non shooter.

If we are honest they are put together much much better than we are. We have two defensive liabilities in the line-up and one poor shooter. Then we have Bridges who completely dissapears in big games. Off the bench....well we need not even go there...

And then Mazzula >>> Thibs. I would be shocked if we can compete in any meaningful way with them. To me the main problem is that---contrary to some on this board---I don't think we are a minor tweak away from competing with them but we need like major improvement. Ask yourself this: If you put DD and Hartenstein back on this team for free....could you comfortably say we beat Boston in a series? Even then I'm not entirely sure....unfortunately I think it will come down to us needing 4 stellar defenders that can shoot in order to be on par with them.

[3toheadmelo]

And I think walking away from it at that time was the right move. Obviously you can always go back and point at Cavs success right now as proof that the midget backcourt works. But keep in mind Cleveland has two durable, mobile, athletic, great defending 7 footer up front. One of them DPOY candidate. The Knicks have Mitch (plays 30 games a season) and KAT (little defense). Bein cautious with a JB-DM backcourt was the rational call IMO. Giving up 5 FRPs for Bridges was insanity.

In those infamous 8 games Bridges averaged:

13points/2rebounds/2assists on 45% and 28%. He shot 3 FTs in all those 8 games combined. Let that sink in. Not per game but overall. He didn't shoot a single FT in two games against OKC. Shot 1 FT in 3 games against Boston and 2 FTs in 3 games against Cleveland. How is that even possible?
Like when the games matter most, you get the most passive, lethargic, uninspired version of Bridges. If this team gets past Detroit, be ready for Bridges getting 10points per game against Boston. It is insane to say but there is a possibility he could end up not shooting a single FT in that series despite averaging 35+minutes.

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Not great, and the only thing that could rectify it is a good playoff performance.

KAT has been underwhelming on both ends against those teams as well. But if they show up in the playoffs I will gladly eat crow. I hope they prove me wrong

[JayTWill]

And I think walking away from it at that time was the right move. Obviously you can always go back and point at Cavs success right now as proof that the midget backcourt works. But keep in mind Cleveland has two durable, mobile, athletic, great defending 7 footer up front. One of them DPOY candidate. The Knicks have Mitch (plays 30 games a season) and KAT (little defense). Bein cautious with a JB-DM backcourt was the rational call IMO. Giving up 5 FRPs for Bridges was insanity.

In those infamous 8 games Bridges averaged:

13points/2rebounds/2assists on 45% and 28%. He shot 3 FTs in all those 8 games combined. Let that sink in. Not per game but overall. He didn't shoot a single FT in two games against OKC. Shot 1 FT in 3 games against Boston and 2 FTs in 3 games against Cleveland. How is that even possible?
Like when the games matter most, you get the most passive, lethargic, uninspired version of Bridges. If this team gets past Detroit, be ready for Bridges getting 10points per game against Boston. It is insane to say but there is a possibility he could end up not shooting a single FT in that series despite averaging 35+minutes.

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Well they were trying to deflect blame to og but that avenue is closed. So they're only route is to blame thibs now.

Mikal definitely needs to be better on both ends of the court against the top team but if you are looking for your 4th highest paid player to carry you on a team with no rookies contracts in the rotation against the top teams in the league you may have already created a very flawed roster especially if you have given up all your assets to create that roster.

Boston's 4th highest paid player missed half the season. They are fine. Cleveland's 3rd soon to be 4th highest paid player plays 25 minutes off the bench. They are fine. iHart is currently OKC's 2nd highest paid player but could possibly drop down to their 4th if/when Chet and JDub get extended. He missed a good chunk of time at the start of the season. They are fine.

Somehow the Knicks created a roster where their 4th highest paid player is at the top of the league in minutes and is expected to be a huge difference maker on both ends of the court. It makes no sense.

Wouldn't it make more sense to set your expectation for a player based on the contracts they negotiated for themselves rather than a deal the front office negotiated? Right now the highest expectations should fall on KAT, OG and Brunson with the deals they have imo.

KAT's on a supermax so I expect "supermax" level impact. Payne is on a vet-min so I expect "vet-min" level impact. Deuce is on a great contract for his impact but if some front office idiotically trades 3-4 picks for him i'm not going to hold that against him. I would hold that against the front office. Mikal gets paid $23M. I'm not sure I could name 5 guys making around his money or less on non-rookie contracts that would be a better fit than Mikal in his role.

The 5 picks are a reflection of the front office and their asset management over the years. It's not like Mikal was a 5 pick level player and then fell off the cliff once he arrived here. I still would like to see him be better as a 3 point shooter and a defender but we have to be realistic about our expectations for him as a player even if some over hyped him and the front office overpaid to acquire him.

[HopelessKnick]

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Well they were trying to deflect blame to og but that avenue is closed. So they're only route is to blame thibs now.

Mikal definitely needs to be better on both ends of the court against the top team but if you are looking for your 4th highest paid player to carry you on a team with no rookies contracts in the rotation against the top teams in the league you may have already created a very flawed roster especially if you have given up all your assets to create that roster.

Boston's 4th highest paid player missed half the season. They are fine. Cleveland's 3rd soon to be 4th highest paid player plays 25 minutes off the bench. They are fine. iHart is currently OKC's 2nd highest paid player but could possibly drop down to their 4th if/when Chet and JDub get extended. He missed a good chunk of time at the start of the season. They are fine.

Somehow the Knicks created a roster where their 4th highest paid player is at the top of the league in minutes and is expected to be a huge difference maker on both ends of the court. It makes no sense.

Wouldn't it make more sense to set your expectation for a player based on the contracts they negotiated for themselves rather than a deal the front office negotiated? Right now the highest expectations should fall on KAT, OG and Brunson with the deals they have imo.

KAT's on a supermax so I expect "supermax" level impact. Payne is on a vet-min so I expect "vet-min" level impact. Deuce is on a great contract for his impact but if some front office idiotically trades 3-4 picks for him i'm not going to hold that against him. I would hold that against the front office. Mikal gets paid $23M. I'm not sure I could name 5 guys making around his money or less on non-rookie contracts that would be a better fit than Mikal in his role.

The 5 picks are a reflection of the front office and their asset management over the years. It's not like Mikal was a 5 pick level player and then fell off the cliff once he arrived here. I still would like to see him be better as a 3 point shooter and a defender but we have to be realistic about our expectations for him as a player even if some over hyped him and the front office overpaid to acquire him.

Theoretically this makes sense but can you practically really seperate those? Like during one of those games I was thinking to myself: "Would I be so down on Mikal if he had cost only 1-2 FRPs instead of 5? I think in that case 100% of the fanbase would be very content with the deal." However practically I find it difficult to completely seperate those, especially considering the fact that we are practically out of tradable picks. Mikal will always be tied to those 5 picks and it is difficult to disregard that.

But I generally don't feel bad about Mikal per se. To me it is more the fact that we traded all our picks and aren't off much better. Last season I was so upbeat about everything despite the loss to Indy. This season feels different because we don't have those assets anymore and there is no clear way to significantly improve the team (which IMO is needed to compete with Boston). Like I said earlier, I feel we'd need a sort of upgrade where we get a DD and Hartenstein for free in order to be on par with Boston....and realistically there is absolutely no way to make that type of talent upgrade happen with all the picks gone (and 10x times more since with Thibs we are not in the rookie developing business either).

[HopelessKnick]

I guess there are knick fans that believe some minor tweaks here and there and a useful MLE player or veteran minimum signing is gonna elevate us to elite level. I personally don't see that. I guess that's the main difference between me and others that have more optimistic outlooks.

JB ----defensive liability
Hart ----non shooter
Bridges
OG
KAT ----defensive liability

Holiday ---2way + shooting
White ---2way + shooting
Brown ---2 way + shooting
Tatum ---2way + shooting
Porzingis ---2way + shooting

Boston bench >>> Knick bench
Boston coach >>> Knick coach

They really have us beat in every aspect really. The hope for us would be more about Boston falling apart due to age and contracts etc. rather than us elevating to their level. Can a team with 2 defensive liabilities even realistically beat them?

[8516knicks]

KAT and Mikal sht the bed against the contenders and we should’ve traded for Donovan Mitchell.

Grumpy old man?

[8516knicks]

I guess there are knick fans that believe some minor tweaks here and there and a useful MLE player or veteran minimum signing is gonna elevate us to elite level. I personally don't see that. I guess that's the main difference between me and others that have more optimistic outlooks.

JB ----defensive liability
Hart ----non shooter
Bridges
OG
KAT ----defensive liability

Holiday ---2way + shooting
White ---2way + shooting
Brown ---2 way + shooting
Tatum ---2way + shooting
Porzingis ---2way + shooting

Boston bench >>> Knick bench
Boston coach >>> Knick coach

They really have us beat in every aspect really. The hope for us would be more about Boston falling apart due to age and contracts etc. rather than us elevating to their level. Can a team with 2 defensive liabilities even realistically beat them?

Boston had Tatum and Brown fall to them in the draft. We sh*t/Porzingus sh*t/someone sh*t the bed in that latest best draftee since Ewing.

Leon's done fantastic so far. But getting that one LeBron; Doncic (maybe); Giannis; Jokic; or Steph aside, we are right up there outside the winners circle. There's only ONE champion per year and aside from LeBron and Steph, few to no repeaters.

After 20 years on Devil's Island, I'm good for the time being.

But a bit of luck now might be nice (the next out of nowwhere Giannis, Jokic, etc.)

[8516knicks]

And I think walking away from it at that time was the right move. Obviously you can always go back and point at Cavs success right now as proof that the midget backcourt works. But keep in mind Cleveland has two durable, mobile, athletic, great defending 7 footer up front. One of them DPOY candidate. The Knicks have Mitch (plays 30 games a season) and KAT (little defense). Bein cautious with a JB-DM backcourt was the rational call IMO. Giving up 5 FRPs for Bridges was insanity.

In those infamous 8 games Bridges averaged:

13points/2rebounds/2assists on 45% and 28%. He shot 3 FTs in all those 8 games combined. Let that sink in. Not per game but overall. He didn't shoot a single FT in two games against OKC. Shot 1 FT in 3 games against Boston and 2 FTs in 3 games against Cleveland. How is that even possible?
Like when the games matter most, you get the most passive, lethargic, uninspired version of Bridges. If this team gets past Detroit, be ready for Bridges getting 10points per game against Boston. It is insane to say but there is a possibility he could end up not shooting a single FT in that series despite averaging 35+minutes.

I agree we overpaid. The last two picks are too much. Oh well.

We have yet to face anyone at full steam. We were one day old and two weeks old for two of those games. We choked away at least two of those games. Boston has been the Knicks killer this season. Again...we have yet to play any of them at full strength. We were still working on chemistry and still are. Maybe this isn't the year but, there is a very good core of 7-8 guys here. Build on it. Keep developing youth as we go. Fun times honestly.

I'm with you on every single point you made. However, I think the fact we have close to zero tradable assets left along with the fact we haven't seen the KAT-Mitch frontcourt and Mitch, after 15 games still playing only 15minutes per game is concerning and discouraging. I played myself semi-competitive basketball in europe and usually when a team beats you up that bad, there aren't any magical turnarounds. I would be frankly shocked if we win 2 or more games against Boston. Sure, having a team at full strength helps, and hopefully Mitch will be much better by then but I'm not very hopeful today to be honest.

I know going 9-6 without Brunson is solid but considering the fact we beat:

Atlanta (without Jalen Johnson) and sub .500 team
Philly (without Maxey, George, Embiid) and tanking hard
Portland twice, Dallas, Washington (without Ayton, Grant, Irving etc.)
Miami on a 7 game losing streak
Sacramento
Milwaukee without Lillard

while losing twice to the Clippers, GS, San Antonio, Cleveland and Charlotte

I truly think that 9-6 has to be put into perspective. Still solid but nothin to get overly excited about. This team without Brunson is essentially a .500 team....same as before IMO. Maybe slightly better. Let's see how the playoffs shake out.

Remember that to long time Knick fans .500 is just shy of Heaven.

[Guano]

They wanted to break up tatum and brown before they got the right pieces around them. Like green arrow and I always say ,and more importantly show, patience is the key. Hold steady and fine tune the roster and coach.

[Jalen Bluntson]

And I think walking away from it at that time was the right move. Obviously you can always go back and point at Cavs success right now as proof that the midget backcourt works. But keep in mind Cleveland has two durable, mobile, athletic, great defending 7 footer up front. One of them DPOY candidate. The Knicks have Mitch (plays 30 games a season) and KAT (little defense). Bein cautious with a JB-DM backcourt was the rational call IMO. Giving up 5 FRPs for Bridges was insanity.

In those infamous 8 games Bridges averaged:

13points/2rebounds/2assists on 45% and 28%. He shot 3 FTs in all those 8 games combined. Let that sink in. Not per game but overall. He didn't shoot a single FT in two games against OKC. Shot 1 FT in 3 games against Boston and 2 FTs in 3 games against Cleveland. How is that even possible?
Like when the games matter most, you get the most passive, lethargic, uninspired version of Bridges. If this team gets past Detroit, be ready for Bridges getting 10points per game against Boston. It is insane to say but there is a possibility he could end up not shooting a single FT in that series despite averaging 35+minutes.

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Well they were trying to deflect blame to og but that avenue is closed. So they're only route is to blame thibs now.

I don't know who they are but, the board trolls blame everyone but the coach. As if KAT isn't a better defender and rebounder and more efficient scoring than Randle ever was or will be. Mikal is a better player than Donte. OG is a beast. Brunson is one of the best PGs in the league. People want to trade them for KD/Giannis etc IMMEDIATELY after they got here.

We have a top team in the league. The talent is there. We are a little thin on the bench but, the bulk of our problems has been Thibs. Not debatable at this point. 5 starters capable of dropping 30 in a game and we can't beat teams over .500 with any regularity? That's the coaching.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s absolutely unacceptable production for someone we gave up 5 picks for. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

Well they were trying to deflect blame to og but that avenue is closed. So they're only route is to blame thibs now.

I don't know who they are but, the board trolls blame everyone but the coach. As if KAT isn't a better defender and rebounder and more efficient scoring than Randle ever was or will be. Mikal is a better player than Donte. OG is a beast. Brunson is one of the best PGs in the league. People want to trade them for KD/Giannis etc IMMEDIATELY after they got here.

We have a top team in the league. The talent is there. We are a little thin on the bench but, the bulk of our problems has. Thibs. Not debatable at this point. 5 starters capable of dropping 30 in a game and we can't beat teams over .500 with any regularity? That's the coaching.

This post is delusional

[Jalen Bluntson]

Well they were trying to deflect blame to og but that avenue is closed. So they're only route is to blame thibs now.

I don't know who they are but, the board trolls blame everyone but the coach. As if KAT isn't a better defender and rebounder and more efficient scoring than Randle ever was or will be. Mikal is a better player than Donte. OG is a beast. Brunson is one of the best PGs in the league. People want to trade them for KD/Giannis etc IMMEDIATELY after they got here.

We have a top team in the league. The talent is there. We are a little thin on the bench but, the bulk of our problems has. Thibs. Not debatable at this point. 5 starters capable of dropping 30 in a game and we can't beat teams over .500 with any regularity? That's the coaching.

This post is delusional

You're a delusional troll. Fuq off.

[3toheadmelo]

I don't know who they are but, the board trolls blame everyone but the coach. As if KAT isn't a better defender and rebounder and more efficient scoring than Randle ever was or will be. Mikal is a better player than Donte. OG is a beast. Brunson is one of the best PGs in the league. People want to trade them for KD/Giannis etc IMMEDIATELY after they got here.

We have a top team in the league. The talent is there. We are a little thin on the bench but, the bulk of our problems has. Thibs. Not debatable at this point. 5 starters capable of dropping 30 in a game and we can't beat teams over .500 with any regularity? That's the coaching.

This post is delusional

You're a delusional troll. Fuq off.

You’re a delusional old fart