GT: New York Knicks @ Detroit Pistons (GAME 3: Thu, 7PM)

[Fury]

We miss Reggie Bullock and Alec Burks's toughness.

[spree8]

Is it Thibs fault other players around the league think this team is soft?

Na it’s Thibs fault most of the other players around the league don’t wanna play for him… including some of the guys on this team

[GONYK]

It's not about KAT struggling against Tobias, it's moreso the offensive scheme and plays just don't make sense. We have KAT yet Josh Hart is the one running pick and rolls with Brunson instead..

They showed already they can't guard KAT, the problem is Thibs doesn't run anything through KAT at all, and we don't utilize him enough either. Look at that Brunson pass stat the other day, he only passed to KAT 11 times everyone else was 20+ that should not be happening man, he should be the 1b option offensively but they treat him like the 4th, makes zero sense at all.

Hart run the PnR with Jalen is because he's being guarded by the 5. You have to get the big man away from the rim for the PnR to work.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We need a coach that will actually look to get Tobias Harris off of KAT!!!!! Most coaches are seeking that matchup but no we need to strategize against it lmao

Harris is just the speed bump to give the weakside big time to come over and impact the shot or take away the middle.

Who is Duren guarding?







KAT made a strong move on Harris, Reed came over to alter the shot because he wasn't guarding anyone.



4 Pistons with their feet in the paint.

This is why when people say KAT stopped Jokic, I don't really agree, because it was Gobert leaving Gordon that was what stopped Jokic from going middle. The whole point of getting Harris off KAT and Duren on him would be so that BRUNSON can attack Duren more often and we could see more of a two man game, because when Hart sets a screen, this happens.




We can't attack Duren if he's on Hart, and Duren on Hart takes away post ups because KAT can't go middle if the weakside big is 36 feet off Hart.

They are relying on 1 on 1 coverage to stop Brunson and sending doubles on KAT. Plus we did exploit Brunson attacking Duren plenty of times and it’s how Brunson has been able to score frequently in the lane. But Brunson scoring hasn’t been the issue since first half of game one. We haven’t solved the main issue of the others scoring and there is no rotation or strategic answer to it. Guys that we need to score are either bricking open shots or getting locked up.

We can't use ball screens effectively because they'll switch it if KAT sets it so that Harris is on Brunson, and Duren is still in the paint, if Hart sets the screen they trap or just don't care about what Hart does, or like the clip showed Duren will track him down. The issue is that Hart is not shooting threes on volume, last year nobody could guard him with their C in the playoffs because he was taking 4.5 threes per game at 37%, this year he's shooting 67% from three but only takes 1.5 per game, a team is not scared of that volume.


We have two ways out of that, either Hart starts making threes on volume, or you take him out the game because him being on the floor gives them an extra defender. You play Mitch, use him to set screens and not just go to the dunkers spot, but actually have him set screens out above the break so that you stretch the Pistons defense out and they have to make decisions on what to do. Right now, their defense is in autopilot, we are struggling to score because they can take away the middle, provide help and have Duren, Stewart or Reed play free safety. It isn't just Harris on KAT causing problems, it's their bigs being able to provide help everywhere.

[TKKnicks1]

If we can't slow down the likes of Malik Beasley, Hardaway and freakin Tobias Harris then how you gonna stop the Boston squad? Man just give this ish up. This team ain't doing anything this year.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Almost feels like a must win game, hope we don’t go out and lay a turd on the court

We need to take this game and snatch their souls while reclaiming home court advantage. 6.5 guys isn't going to get it done.

[Jalen Bluntson]

If we can't slow down the likes of Malik Beasley, Hardaway and freakin Tobias Harris then how you gonna stop the Boston squad? Man just give this ish up. This team ain't doing anything this year.

Cade amd their bench won this game against poor coaching. The box score of this game is atrocious

[NoDopeOnSundays]

If we can't slow down the likes of Malik Beasley, Hardaway and freakin Tobias Harris then how you gonna stop the Boston squad? Man just give this ish up. This team ain't doing anything this year.

I want to see just how ugly the Celtics series will get, we're struggling to score on the Pistons, the Celtics will put Jrue or Tatum on KAT and KP on Hart, KP playing free safety on defense and roaming around will be nasty. There could be a game where we don't crack 90.

[HEZI]

Harris is just the speed bump to give the weakside big time to come over and impact the shot or take away the middle.

Who is Duren guarding?







KAT made a strong move on Harris, Reed came over to alter the shot because he wasn't guarding anyone.



4 Pistons with their feet in the paint.

This is why when people say KAT stopped Jokic, I don't really agree, because it was Gobert leaving Gordon that was what stopped Jokic from going middle. The whole point of getting Harris off KAT and Duren on him would be so that BRUNSON can attack Duren more often and we could see more of a two man game, because when Hart sets a screen, this happens.




We can't attack Duren if he's on Hart, and Duren on Hart takes away post ups because KAT can't go middle if the weakside big is 36 feet off Hart.

They are relying on 1 on 1 coverage to stop Brunson and sending doubles on KAT. Plus we did exploit Brunson attacking Duren plenty of times and it’s how Brunson has been able to score frequently in the lane. But Brunson scoring hasn’t been the issue since first half of game one. We haven’t solved the main issue of the others scoring and there is no rotation or strategic answer to it. Guys that we need to score are either bricking open shots or getting locked up.

We can't use ball screens effectively because they'll switch it if KAT sets it so that Harris is on Brunson, and Duren is still in the paint, if Hart sets the screen they trap or just don't care about what Hart does, or like the clip showed Duren will track him down. The issue is that Hart is not shooting threes on volume, last year nobody could guard him with their C in the playoffs because he was taking 4.5 threes per game at 37%, this year he's shooting 67% from three but only takes 1.5 per game, a team is not scared of that volume.


We have two ways out of that, either Hart starts making threes on volume, or you take him out the game because him being on the floor gives them an extra defender. You play Mitch, use him to set screens and not just go to the dunkers spot, but actually have him set screens out above the break so that you stretch the Pistons defense out and they have to make decisions on what to do. Right now, their defense is in autopilot, we are struggling to score because they can take away the middle, provide help and have Duren, Stewart or Reed play free safety. It isn't just Harris on KAT causing problems, it's their bigs being able to provide help everywhere.

What effect is Mitch going to have setting screens when he’s no threat from outside either? All Duren will do is sit in drop which again creates the same issue of Duren sitting in the paint and the ball handlers man will always look to recover and provide help on any drive because again Mitch is no kick out threat. There’s no advantage being created. The only person who would even benefit from that is Brunson and he’s been the only consistent scorer so that doesn’t benefit the others and it doesn’t benefit KAT in any shape or form.

[god shammgod]

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[spree2kawhi]

It's not about KAT struggling against Tobias, it's moreso the offensive scheme and plays just don't make sense. We have KAT yet Josh Hart is the one running pick and rolls with Brunson instead..

They showed already they can't guard KAT, the problem is Thibs doesn't run anything through KAT at all, and we don't utilize him enough either. Look at that Brunson pass stat the other day, he only passed to KAT 11 times everyone else was 20+ that should not be happening man, he should be the 1b option offensively but they treat him like the 4th, makes zero sense at all.

Hart run the PnR with Jalen is because he's being guarded by the 5. You have to get the big man away from the rim for the PnR to work.

It would also work if you included a big as skilled as, say, Karl-Anthony Towns instead of Hart.

[knicksstuff]

Im no X and O genius but if duren is going to float like that.... Mitch should be setting an weakside screen on Beasley and have Mcbride run through that to the strong side corner to either pull duren out, have a misup between duren and beasly or free up the paint for a KAT Drive. These arent high iQ defenders out there

[NoDopeOnSundays]

They are relying on 1 on 1 coverage to stop Brunson and sending doubles on KAT. Plus we did exploit Brunson attacking Duren plenty of times and it’s how Brunson has been able to score frequently in the lane. But Brunson scoring hasn’t been the issue since first half of game one. We haven’t solved the main issue of the others scoring and there is no rotation or strategic answer to it. Guys that we need to score are either bricking open shots or getting locked up.

We can't use ball screens effectively because they'll switch it if KAT sets it so that Harris is on Brunson, and Duren is still in the paint, if Hart sets the screen they trap or just don't care about what Hart does, or like the clip showed Duren will track him down. The issue is that Hart is not shooting threes on volume, last year nobody could guard him with their C in the playoffs because he was taking 4.5 threes per game at 37%, this year he's shooting 67% from three but only takes 1.5 per game, a team is not scared of that volume.


We have two ways out of that, either Hart starts making threes on volume, or you take him out the game because him being on the floor gives them an extra defender. You play Mitch, use him to set screens and not just go to the dunkers spot, but actually have him set screens out above the break so that you stretch the Pistons defense out and they have to make decisions on what to do. Right now, their defense is in autopilot, we are struggling to score because they can take away the middle, provide help and have Duren, Stewart or Reed play free safety. It isn't just Harris on KAT causing problems, it's their bigs being able to provide help everywhere.

What effect is Mitch going to have setting screens when he’s no threat from outside either? All Duren will do is sit in drop which again creates the same issue of Duren sitting in the paint and the ball handlers man will always look to recover and provide help on any drive because again Mitch is no kick out threat. There’s no advantage being created. The only person who would even benefit from that is Brunson and he’s been the only consistent scorer so that doesn’t benefit the others and it doesn’t benefit KAT in any shape or form.

Giving Brunson a chance to attack a center who is playing up? I like that better than Brunson trying to attack a wing with Duren waiting at the rim. Using Mitch to set screens would work better than Hart being completely neglected by the defenders.

Also, In two of those pictures, Mitch got the offensive rebound because Duren was defending him like he would Hart ie. leaving his man. I'm not a huge Mitch fan ( ) but what I see from Hart is a lot more damaging to the team than any weaknesses Mitch would have, if your 6'4" perimeter player is being defended by a center, he's a center. We're having the same problems with Hart right now that the Sixers had with Ben Simmons, afraid to shoot, mucking up the offense and still somehow playing too much. So either he makes threes, or you take him out and try something else.

[Guano]

If we can't slow down the likes of Malik Beasley, Hardaway and freakin Tobias Harris then how you gonna stop the Boston squad? Man just give this ish up. This team ain't doing anything this year.

I want to see just how ugly the Celtics series will get, we're struggling to score on the Pistons, the Celtics will put Jrue or Tatum on KAT and KP on Hart, KP playing free safety on defense and roaming around will be nasty. There could be a game where we don't crack 90.

Assuming we win this series is audacious

[GONYK]

It's not about KAT struggling against Tobias, it's moreso the offensive scheme and plays just don't make sense. We have KAT yet Josh Hart is the one running pick and rolls with Brunson instead..

They showed already they can't guard KAT, the problem is Thibs doesn't run anything through KAT at all, and we don't utilize him enough either. Look at that Brunson pass stat the other day, he only passed to KAT 11 times everyone else was 20+ that should not be happening man, he should be the 1b option offensively but they treat him like the 4th, makes zero sense at all.

Hart run the PnR with Jalen is because he's being guarded by the 5. You have to get the big man away from the rim for the PnR to work.

It would also work if you included a big as skilled as, say, Karl-Anthony Towns instead of Hart.

Sure, if the 5 is guarding KAT, spam it all day.

But that isn't what is happening.

[DaGawd]

i miss the tank days.. at least there was hope

[NoDopeOnSundays]

If we can't slow down the likes of Malik Beasley, Hardaway and freakin Tobias Harris then how you gonna stop the Boston squad? Man just give this ish up. This team ain't doing anything this year.

I want to see just how ugly the Celtics series will get, we're struggling to score on the Pistons, the Celtics will put Jrue or Tatum on KAT and KP on Hart, KP playing free safety on defense and roaming around will be nasty. There could be a game where we don't crack 90.

Assuming we win this series is audacious

[god shammgod]

Brunson said he saw on film several individual and team-wide missed opportunities in Game 2: "There were a couple possessions where I had some bad shots and that’s on me just to understand the situation where I need to get off of it. But that’s on the offensive side of the ball. Defensively we need to be communicating a little better — me individually — and I’ve just gotta hold myself to a higher standard when it comes to that. I just need to be better."

Hart was asked about Brunson’s comment on moving the ball.

"That’s the toughest part is trying to find that balance. I think him coming in, maybe starting the game to try to get some of these guys involved, get them free flowing. You see it with LeBron (James) all the time,” Hart said. “One thing with LeBron, he comes in the first quarter, the second quarter, makes sure he gets his guys involved and gets them into rhythm and then he takes over when you need him to take over. So you can take bits and pieces from guys like that. It’s part of the reason sometimes when the 5 is on me, I can’t be that other ball handler that brings it up and gets him off the ball so maybe we’ll put Mikal (Bridges) in that role or something like that. So it’s a feeling out process but the good thing it’s all fixable things.

Hart talked about the Knicks’ offensive approach when he is guarded by Jalen Duren and Tobias Harris is defended by Towns.

“I feel like I’ve been solid with it. I think at times we gotta make sure I remember, even with the flow of the offense, the role of the offense, I make sure at times I remember I’m also a guard, and I can play in those kinds of ways and not act like I’m a 6-8, 6-9 power forward. So just getting guys good shots, getting guys the ball, attacking, playing with pace and doing those kind of things.

“….So obviously you gotta try to figure that out, how they’re playing, attacking that, but also knowing that obviously I have the big on me. But also let’s not get away from KAT setting screens and getting himself open or getting other guys open. So, it’s just a balance, and I think that’s what you try to figure out the first couple games.”

some quotes

https://sny.tv/articles/knicks-playoffs-mailbag-tom-thibodeau-adjustments-karl-anthony-towns

[Gravy]

If we can ask Thibs to coach better then we can ask KAT to be more aggressive and the rest of the team to hit shots when they are open

It’s funny cause people used to get on Thibs for not holding a certain ex Knick accountable but now that he’s gone, they don’t care about holding players accountable anymore

Beginning of the season we said KATs defense at the 5 wouldn't work because its never worked on previous teams but they blamed the scheme. Now we are saying KAT has games where he shrinks in the playoffs because its happened on previous teams and they are blaming the scheme again.

[3toheadmelo]

If we can ask Thibs to coach better then we can ask KAT to be more aggressive and the rest of the team to hit shots when they are open

It’s funny cause people used to get on Thibs for not holding a certain ex Knick accountable but now that he’s gone, they don’t care about holding players accountable anymore

Beginning of the season we said KATs defense at the 5 wouldn't work because its never worked on previous teams but they blamed the scheme. Now we are saying KAT has games where he shrinks in the playoffs because its happened on previous teams and they are blaming the scheme again.

They’re always going to blame Thibs cause they swore KAT was going to be this massive upgrade and now that he wasn’t they won’t admit it so it’s better for them to deflect everything to Thibs. But watch us fire Thibs and KAT looks even worse