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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#3281 » by GONYK » Fri Dec 6, 2013 4:49 pm

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cengizoezdemir wrote:You should consider what Omer Asik has done to a very poor defensive team last year. I think he will improve the defence of Knicks vastly. Having a better defence will help knicks on transition offence which most people ignore. Also Omer Asik is a very good pick and roll player which can help Carmelo a lot. He is very physical and big, in that sense he will also improve the offence.

Another point which is ignored is that having Omer will make Tyson Chandler expandable, so Knicks can swap him for a better offensive player. I think having Omer will put this team on the top of the division.

Knicks will also save a lot of luxury tax because Omer makes 3 million less than Bargnani.

For Rockets, Bargnani's jump shooting abilities and passing game could be a good asset. It is definitely a better match than Omer.

Both players have 2 years left on their contracts so in that sense, neither party is taking a huge risk.


You do have a point. However, instead of bargs, I'd definitely go for another player to trade. Not because Im a die-hard barges supporter, but coz, as i see it, our problem is in the 1 and 2 position rather than the front court. After all Bargs is playing well and showing his confidence also in the defensive end. I recognize to Asik, some of the nuances that you describe but I still think that in terms of IQ Bargs is definitely better. Therefore, if we are to trade for Asik, why not getting rid of people like Felton or JR?


Because Felton and JR aren't worth Asik and don't have any value to the Rockets
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#3282 » by Andreski84 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 4:58 pm

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cengizoezdemir wrote:You should consider what Omer Asik has done to a very poor defensive team last year. I think he will improve the defence of Knicks vastly. Having a better defence will help knicks on transition offence which most people ignore. Also Omer Asik is a very good pick and roll player which can help Carmelo a lot. He is very physical and big, in that sense he will also improve the offence.

Another point which is ignored is that having Omer will make Tyson Chandler expandable, so Knicks can swap him for a better offensive player. I think having Omer will put this team on the top of the division.

Knicks will also save a lot of luxury tax because Omer makes 3 million less than Bargnani.

For Rockets, Bargnani's jump shooting abilities and passing game could be a good asset. It is definitely a better match than Omer.

Both players have 2 years left on their contracts so in that sense, neither party is taking a huge risk.


You do have a point. However, instead of bargs, I'd definitely go for another player to trade. Not because Im a die-hard barges supporter, but coz, as i see it, our problem is in the 1 and 2 position rather than the front court. After all Bargs is playing well and showing his confidence also in the defensive end. I recognize to Asik, some of the nuances that you describe but I still think that in terms of IQ Bargs is definitely better. Therefore, if we are to trade for Asik, why not getting rid of people like Felton or JR?


Because Felton and JR aren't worth Asik and don't have any value to the Rockets


I still think you are kinda overestimating him… but fair enough! ;)
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Re: Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread 

Post#3283 » by Johnny Hoops » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:27 pm

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DK-All Day wrote:Celtics fan here.....Would you guys do this trade:

Bradley,Olynyk,Green, BOS 2015,BRK 2016 for Anthony,J.R. Smith

Celtics get their second star to pair with Rondo and will look to add another this summer.Carmelo said that he wanted to play with Rondo

Knicks pick up some assets and rebuild.


Give us your 1st rounder this year and keep your 2015 pick


Yes - don't mind this deal with BOS 2014 pick and the Net's 2016 pick. Olynyk is somewhat like Bargs which might not be good. May need 1 more piece from Boston --- maybe Marson Brooks to replace JR.

That at least gives us some flexibility by adding 4 younger players (Bradley, Olynyk, Green & Brooks) and 2 draft picks.

Bradley
Shump
Green
Barg
Chandler

Felton
Brooks/THJ
Metta
Olynyk
KMART/STAT
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Post#3284 » by Johnny Hoops » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:31 pm

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Jwduff wrote:What do my fellow Knicks Fans think about this deal?

NYK-Chi-Cle

NY trades:
Melo
KMart

NY gets:
Taj Gibson
Waiters
Varejao
Chi 2015 1st
Cha 2014 1st

Cle Trades:
Varejao
Waiters

Cle Gets:
Deng

Chi Trades:
Gibson
Deng
Cha 2014 1st
Chi 2015 1st

Chi gets:
Melo
Kmart


fair. good stuff.



- Don't mind this trade for Knicks
- Don't mind for Cleveland if they could re-sign Deng
- Don't think Chicago gives up Deng/Gibson & 2 picks for Melo/KMART
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Post#3285 » by moocow007 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:51 pm

Would you guys (especially the JR haters) trade JR Smith to Miami?
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Post#3286 » by Rasho Brezec » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:53 pm

Way ahead of you.
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Post#3287 » by Andreski84 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:54 pm

YUP
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Post#3288 » by moocow007 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:58 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:Way ahead of you.


:lol: Yeah I was surprised I didn't see any of this, guess I just didn't see it.
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Post#3289 » by phrazbit » Fri Dec 6, 2013 7:50 pm

That Melo has every intention of becoming a free agent... and will pretty much only consider the Lakers (or staying in New York), completely murders his trade value. Its not even comparable to the Denver situation because back then Melo had admitted he wanted to make sure he got locked into a pre-lockout contract, no longer a concern AND he was trying to leave a good Denver team, while in the Knicks are in shambles (no offense), and the any lure keeping him there is the market.

When you also factor in that the one team Melo seems willing to leave for is coached by Mike D'Antoni... who undoubtedly has no interest ever coaching Melo again, it really muddles things up. I'd say your best bet would be a Gasol and Lakers 1st for Melo... but the Lakers cant trade their first until draft night and obviously Dolan couldnt never handle getting such a small return, but I cannot fathom where they're going to find a deal elsewhere.
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Post#3290 » by seren » Fri Dec 6, 2013 7:54 pm

moocow007 wrote:Would you guys (especially the JR haters) trade JR Smith to Miami?


Where do I sign?
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Post#3291 » by K_ick_God » Fri Dec 6, 2013 8:02 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:No possible way to swing JR and Ray for Lin?


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You're joking right?



I wouldn't do it if I'm the Rockets and I don't think they would do it, but it's not completely out of the question either. Rockets need more scoring, Lin is a bench player for them, McHale doesn't love Lin, and they could adopt the same nonsensical "Felton is better if you want to win now" crap that caused us to derail.

So it's worth raising.
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Post#3292 » by Marty McFly » Fri Dec 6, 2013 8:11 pm

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Post#3293 » by moocow007 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 8:15 pm

phrazbit wrote:That Melo has every intention of becoming a free agent... and will pretty much only consider the Lakers (or staying in New York), completely murders his trade value. Its not even comparable to the Denver situation because back then Melo had admitted he wanted to make sure he got locked into a pre-lockout contract, no longer a concern AND he was trying to leave a good Denver team, while in the Knicks are in shambles (no offense), and the any lure keeping him there is the market.

When you also factor in that the one team Melo seems willing to leave for is coached by Mike D'Antoni... who undoubtedly has no interest ever coaching Melo again, it really muddles things up. I'd say your best bet would be a Gasol and Lakers 1st for Melo... but the Lakers cant trade their first until draft night and obviously Dolan couldnt never handle getting such a small return, but I cannot fathom where they're going to find a deal elsewhere.


What makes you think Carmelo Anthony would only consider the Lakers? Carmelo Anthon may be BFF's with Kobe but realize that the Lakers already just extended Kobe at the "Kobe Max" (just extended him through the 2015-2016 season for $48 million). If Anthony was to go sign with the Lakers that will pretty much leave them absolutely no room for next season (thanks to Nash's $9.7 million in 2014-2015) and minimal cap room for the following season when Bryant will be off the books (Kobe and Anthony would combine for $49 million against the books in 2015-2016). He'll be 33 before the Lakers get capspace in the summer of 2016. He might as well stay in NY since they'd be cap free a year earlier for him to go try and get a younger buddy to join him in NY.
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Post#3294 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 8:52 pm

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ibraheim718 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:No possible way to swing JR and Ray for Lin?


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You're joking right?



I wouldn't do it if I'm the Rockets and I don't think they would do it, but it's not completely out of the question either. Rockets need more scoring, Lin is a bench player for them, McHale doesn't love Lin, and they could adopt the same nonsensical "Felton is better if you want to win now" crap that caused us to derail.

So it's worth raising.


Mchale loves Lin. And this stretch of basketball is showing them how valuable he is to them. I don't think Lin gets moved at all during his contract... they need him too much.

I think a better target would be Brooks. We can go after Lin when he's a free agent... I can see him open to coming back just for the city and the fans... up until he signed with Houston he was treated like a king in NYC and players usually don't forget that.

But I did laugh at the bold.
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Post#3295 » by SuperflyKnick » Fri Dec 6, 2013 9:14 pm

phrazbit wrote:That Melo has every intention of becoming a free agent... and will pretty much only consider the Lakers (or staying in New York), completely murders his trade value. Its not even comparable to the Denver situation because back then Melo had admitted he wanted to make sure he got locked into a pre-lockout contract, no longer a concern AND he was trying to leave a good Denver team, while in the Knicks are in shambles (no offense), and the any lure keeping him there is the market.

When you also factor in that the one team Melo seems willing to leave for is coached by Mike D'Antoni... who undoubtedly has no interest ever coaching Melo again, it really muddles things up. I'd say your best bet would be a Gasol and Lakers 1st for Melo... but the Lakers cant trade their first until draft night and obviously Dolan couldnt never handle getting such a small return, but I cannot fathom where they're going to find a deal elsewhere.



How do you know what teams Carmelo might be willing to go to if he doesnt resign? Pure speculation at your part nothing else... And forget that saying the best knicks can prob do is Gasol and a weak ass 1st for Anthony... Is that the return rate these days for a superstar
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Post#3296 » by K_ick_God » Fri Dec 6, 2013 9:18 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
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ibraheim718 wrote:
You're joking right?



I wouldn't do it if I'm the Rockets and I don't think they would do it, but it's not completely out of the question either. Rockets need more scoring, Lin is a bench player for them, McHale doesn't love Lin, and they could adopt the same nonsensical "Felton is better if you want to win now" crap that caused us to derail.

So it's worth raising.




Mchale loves Lin. And this stretch of basketball is showing them how valuable he is to them. I don't think Lin gets moved at all during his contract... they need him too much.

I think a better target would be Brooks. We can go after Lin when he's a free agent... I can see him open to coming back just for the city and the fans... up until he signed with Houston he was treated like a king in NYC and players usually don't forget that.

But I did laugh at the bold.




Yeah I really think we could bring Lin back as a free agent.
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Post#3297 » by minimalist1972 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 9:32 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:

I wouldn't do it if I'm the Rockets and I don't think they would do it, but it's not completely out of the question either. Rockets need more scoring, Lin is a bench player for them, McHale doesn't love Lin, and they could adopt the same nonsensical "Felton is better if you want to win now" crap that caused us to derail.

So it's worth raising.




Mchale loves Lin. And this stretch of basketball is showing them how valuable he is to them. I don't think Lin gets moved at all during his contract... they need him too much.

I think a better target would be Brooks. We can go after Lin when he's a free agent... I can see him open to coming back just for the city and the fans... up until he signed with Houston he was treated like a king in NYC and players usually don't forget that.

But I did laugh at the bold.




Yeah I really think we could bring Lin back as a free agent.


I'd do Melo, JR and Felt for Lin, Asik, Terrence Jones and Donatas. Then we'd have a future. Not a winning line-up, but with Shump and THJR, they would be enough to make it sweet for Kevin Durant in 2016. Then we'd be talking rings.
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Post#3298 » by sweetcity » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:10 pm

would you guys consider

Kyle Lowry for Iman Shumpert and Beno Udrih?

Lowry expires at year end but would be significant upgrade at the PG position for you
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Post#3299 » by phrazbit » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:49 pm

SuperflyKnick wrote:
How do you know what teams Carmelo might be willing to go to if he doesnt resign? Pure speculation at your part nothing else... And forget that saying the best knicks can prob do is Gasol and a weak ass 1st for Anthony... Is that the return rate these days for a superstar


On an expiring contract whos market preferences severely limit potential trade partners... yeah, I think it would be really hard for the Knicks to find a deal they could swallow. IMO the Knicks dont really have any other option but to ride it out and hope to convince Carmelo to re-sign.
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Post#3300 » by SuperflyKnick » Sat Dec 7, 2013 2:53 am

phrazbit wrote:That Melo has every intention of becoming a free agent... and will pretty much only consider the Lakers (or staying in New York), completely murders his trade value. Its not even comparable to the Denver situation because back then Melo had admitted he wanted to make sure he got locked into a pre-lockout contract, no longer a concern AND he was trying to leave a good Denver team, while in the Knicks are in shambles (no offense), and the any lure keeping him there is the market.

When you also factor in that the one team Melo seems willing to leave for is coached by Mike D'Antoni... who undoubtedly has no interest ever coaching Melo again, it really muddles things up. I'd say your best bet would be a Gasol and Lakers 1st for Melo... but the Lakers cant trade their first until draft night and obviously Dolan couldnt never handle getting such a small return, but I cannot fathom where they're going to find a deal elsewhere.



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