FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[newyorker4ever]

Again why is everyone assuming if we draft Mudiay he is starting...SMH... you all must really think this is NBA2K.. LOL... Kid is not starting in front of LG or Shved... but he would be a good change of pace off the bench..

FYI... Phil is not sign Monroe to a max contact...

I didn't know we had a psychic on this board?? Tell us more about the future.

[Thorn]

"A" pick is different than the Knicks pick. They aren't getting that back.

15 win season is one thing if you get the lottery balls to go with it. It's quite another when you have a playoff team's pick.

Well obviously, thing is though I am okay losing another season to rebuild properly and we are all speculating we are not sure what pick we would have, lottery, our own pick back, another random pick from a contender. We don't know.

Either way ID o not much care I would rather endure another losing season with light at the end of the tunnel than continue on this treadmill we have been on for 12 years going nowhere... fast.

Thorn, the KNicks aren't getting their pick back. Considering what happened to Toronto this year, they're holding onto it for dear life. Not even mentioning the Denver condition on the pick.

But you make it sound like the Knicks haven't picked in the draft for the last "12 years".

Since 2003 they've had 4 top 10 picks and 6 other first round picks.

Having a first round pick is a guarantee of nothing. And the actually order of the pick is very important as well.

Having picks is one thing trading away picks, or moving them for established players in horrible draft day deals is another. Saying the Knicks have made sound decisions with draft picks would be laughable.

We trade them or the players the net away like they did not matter and we throw them in like they are just cherries on top as opposed to actual commodities.

2002- A draft-day deal in which the Knicks sent Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and Nenê—whom they had just selected with the seventh overall pick—to the Denver Nuggets for Frank Williams and Antonio McDyess.

We have a history of that, just giving them away throwing them in, and undervaluing them.

I know what we had trust me and I know what we lost. We threw away many good picks for garbage.

Is there a guarantee a pick develops? Of course not, I am not an idiot you are banking on the players upside, you scout them, do your homework, and you hope you select well .With a little bit of luck the player lives up to expectations... or they don't/ There is no guarantee with draft picks and clearly with aging superstars as recent history clearly shows.

[riter]

this article explains why I think there is more than just a slim chance of LMA coming to NY.
Who else besides the knicks will give a 30yr old LMA an extra $78mil over six years.
He'll get a max this year, then a 5 year $168mil a year from now----

as opposed to just a 5yr $109mil from Portland this year.
If LMA takes this risk---do you really think Portland will do this? I think there's a chance they don't.
I think there is 0 chance the Spurs do this---even in the unlikely event Duncan takes the vet min.

I personally don't mind it, b/c I'm willing to bet your life that there will be an amnesty clause in the next CBA.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... salary-cap

"Expect to see something supremely unusual this summer: Teams will push for long contracts, even at higher values, while players and agents may decide to leave money on the table."

[SARGO127]

posted this in the Trades & Transactions forum...

Let's say Carmelo Anthony waives his NTC. (I know it won't happen, especially to team up with Kobe in LA - but bare with me. It's just for fun.)

Knicks Trade: Carmelo Anthony
Lakers Trade: Julius Randle, #27, #34

Knicks Trade: #4
Nuggets Trade: #7, Rights to Denver/Knicks 2016 1st [We get the higher pick between NY and Denver], #57

Knicks Draft:
#7 -- C | Willie Cauley-Stein - defensive minded big who is a nice compliment to the offensive minded Julius Randle. Can guard multiple positions.
Knicks Trade #27, future 2nd and cash considerations to move up to #21 with Dallas (or someone in that range)
#21-- PG | Tyus Jones - True point guard, good shooter, leader, mature, but not a star - but nice fit for the triangle. Good fit w/ Derek Fisher IMO.
#34 -- PF | Cliff Alexander - Guy will all the talent in the world. Didn't produce like most thought his freshman year. Let's see what we can squeeze out of him.
#57 -- INTL Draft and Stash

Knicks re-sign:
Cole Aldrich - 1 year deal
Louis Amundson - 1 year deal

Knicks Free Agency:
Thanasis Antetokounmpo brought over from D-League
Tobias Harris 4 years / 12 mil per - see Middleton below.
Khris Middleton 4 years / 15 mil per or max - he's worth it with the exploding cap
Reggie Evans - 1 year deal, Vet leader that will show WCS and Randle the way to play: TOUGH and RELENTLESS.
Emeka Okafor - Vet, out of the league this year, let's see what he's got on a 1 year deal.

New York Knicks 2015-16 Roster
C: Willie Cauley Stein -- Cole Aldrich -- Emeka Okafor
PF: Julius Randle -- -- Reggie Evans -- Louis Amundson -- Cliff Alexander (D-League)
SF: Tobias Harris -- Cleanthony Early -- Thanasis Antetokounmpo
SG: Khris Middleton -- Tim Hardaway Jr.
PG: Jose Calderon -- Tyus Jones -- Langston Galloway

Not the best roster. Clearly. However, they have youth, veteran leadership, and cap flexibility. Oh, and most importantly - our draft picks. Add in a top pick next year with all our capspace, and our roster looks much nicer for impending key free agents.

[NBA Fan 1234]

^ I'd want 2nd pick + would never draft WCS / or sign Tobias Harris.

*Should also note that the pick that was traded to Denver can go to Toronto (forgot the stipulations, but IIRC it's dependent on the #).

I also hate Evans...and doubt Okafor would come to NY

[Greenie]

^ I'd want 2nd pick + would never draft WCS / or sign Tobias Harris.

*Should also note that the pick that was traded to Denver can go to Toronto (forgot the stipulations, but IIRC it's dependent on the #).

I also hate Evans...and doubt Okafor would come to NY

There was only the right to swap the pick. Denver hold that right, not Toronto. It was a part of the Melo trade.

[NBA Fan 1234]

^ I'd want 2nd pick + would never draft WCS / or sign Tobias Harris.

*Should also note that the pick that was traded to Denver can go to Toronto (forgot the stipulations, but IIRC it's dependent on the #).

I also hate Evans...and doubt Okafor would come to NY

There was only the right to swap the pick. Denver hold that right, not Toronto. It was a part of the Melo trade.

Bargs trade --> don't they have the better of the picks between Denver and us?

[Esq-4]

Any shot Calderon and ThJr can get us Harris?

[Greenie]

^ I'd want 2nd pick + would never draft WCS / or sign Tobias Harris.

*Should also note that the pick that was traded to Denver can go to Toronto (forgot the stipulations, but IIRC it's dependent on the #).

I also hate Evans...and doubt Okafor would come to NY

There was only the right to swap the pick. Denver hold that right, not Toronto. It was a part of the Melo trade.

Bargs trade --> don't they have the better of the picks between Denver and us?

Nope. Denver has the right to swap. Not us(Toronto).

[SARGO127]

Any shot Calderon and ThJr can get us Harris?

Devin Harris maybe, Tobias? No.

[And100]

Having picks is one thing trading away picks, or moving them for established players in horrible draft day deals is another. Saying the Knicks have made sound decisions with draft picks would be laughable.

Would said that?

The point is, unless the Knicks somehow get Toronto to trade the 2018 pick back AND also get Denver to remove the swap right, whether the Knicks win 15 games or 65 will be INDEPENDENT of what the position of what pick they may or may not acquire.

They have no relationship to one another. To say you wouldn't mind another 15 win season if they had a pick is non-sensical.

What would be the point of another tank season if thy had someone else's pick?

[Thorn]

Having picks is one thing trading away picks, or moving them for established players in horrible draft day deals is another. Saying the Knicks have made sound decisions with draft picks would be laughable.

Would said that?

The point is, unless the Knicks somehow get Toronto to trade the 2018 pick back AND also get Denver to remove the swap right, whether the Knicks win 15 games or 65 will be INDEPENDENT of what the position of what pick they may or may not acquire.

They have no relationship to one another. To say you wouldn't mind another 15 win season if they had a pick is non-sensical.

What would be the point of another tank season if thy had someone else's pick?

it is not a matter of tanking to get a pick it is a matter of rebuilding and accepting losses as part of that process. I am not saying tank for a pick I am saying rebuild through the draft and free agency in a way that makes sense we are arguing different points. I understand we benefit nothing from our own losses, but what I am saying is a losing season here or there is okay when retooling your team and rebooting your franchise we can not change the fact we gave up our pick we can only be better going forward.

[seren]

I would do Lee + 2 first rounders for cap space.

[Ewing33]

Just a few question for anyone posting about trading Melo...

1) How are we supposed to attract stars to this team through free agency if we don't give them someone to play with?

2) Why would we trade our best player/biggest asset when he is coming off an injury and his value is as low as it could be right now?

3) If Phil traded Melo now, wouldn't it look bad to potential stars looking to sign with us that we show no loyalty to a guy who choose to re-sign with this rebuilding franchise instead of heading for greener pastures in Chicago (or hell, LA for that matter even though they weren't much better then we were)?

Before you all bash me and say I'm bias and a Melo defender, just know I really don't like his game and would NEVER had made the trade that brought him here. To be honest, I'm still pissed we gave up three value players (Moz, Wilson and Gallo) and picks to bring a guy who could have signed with us in the offseason here.

While I don't like the guy, I still think it's a mistake to let him go. Ideally I see the offseason as a chance to retool and hopefully build a team through free agency that can compete and make 2016 free agents salivate about playing here. Lets be real here, while I hope we do, the chances of us getting Gasol, Aldridge or any of the restricted free agents worth signing (Butler or Green) are slim. It'd be smart to bring in players who add value as role players and mesh well with Melo and our #4 pick (I'm praying Russel or Okafor slip but I'd be happy with Mudiay as long as we let dude run some pick and rolls). Here's how I see the ideal offseason playing out.

1st) Either trade Calderon or waive him and save the 4mil.
2nd) Trade Timmy for a mid first round pick (somewhere in the 8-13 range) if (and only if) Frank the Tank or WCS are available.
3rd) Keep on Gallo and guarantee his contract, but let Ledo walk.
4th) Extend Qualifying offers to both Wear and Acy and bring in Antetokounmpo from the D League.
5th) Use that 30 million or so in cap space to bring in Matthews (8m per for 2 years), Millsap (13 mil per for 3), and the remaining 10mil on one year contracts for role playing vets.

I know Matthews tore his achilles and the injury was nasty but he isn’t actually injury prone. He is apparently ahead of schedule. He could be back just as strong, but expectations should never be too high for someone suffering an injury like that. This could actually end up being a positive for us for as a lot of teams could pass on him, letting us make a lower offer to him.

As for Millsap, I LOVE his game and think he'd be great playing along side next to Melo. While I wouldn't pay more then 13 million, I think that would be enough to bring him here. Hopefully Phil can convince him to come and we steer clear of Greg Monroe and his want for a max contract, in today's NBA I wouldn't pay a slow footed big with lackluster D more then 8 mil per.

As for the remaining 10 million, I'd offer 8 to Brendan Wright on a one year contract with a player option for next year. With a chance to start, he could play himself into a big contract for next season (either with us or another team). The remaining two I'd offer to Mike Dunleavy on a one year contract. I'd sign 4 guys for the minimum for the year, hopefully one big like a Scola or K-Mart and two D league guys to ride the pine in suits with Wear.

New Line-Up (12 man, but I'd play 9)
C- Wright(28 mins)/Kaminsky(20 mins)
PF- Millsap (34 mins)/Acy(14 mins)
SF- Melo(34 mins)/Dunleavy(14 mins)
SG- Matthews(34 mins)/Dunleavy(4 mins)/Gallo(10 mins)
PG- Mudiay(34 mins)/Gallo(14 mins)

10th- Early
11th- Antetokounmpo
12th- Vet Min Big

IR: Wear, Vet Min, Vet Min

This line-up leaves us 10mil off the books for next year which should be enough to bring in a max contract guy if the cap jumps as high as expected. It's also pretty solid and should fit well together for pick and roll spacing with Mudiay running the point. Melo, Matthews and Millsap can all dial in from long range so a P 'n' R with Mudiay/Wright should create open shots or easy lanes for Mudiay to score himself or Wright easy dunks. We would also be pretty decent on D as well, not amazing but in the top 15 in the league.

Thoughts?

[Thorn]

Just a few question for anyone posting about trading Melo...

1) How are we supposed to attract stars to this team through free agency if we don't give them someone to play with?
With the approach I am proposing we would not be looking to bring in big name free agents at this time, we would be in rebuild/retool mode. We would move any assets we have for picks and young players that fit the system. The win now mentality goes away along with the "sense of urgency" around landing big name free agents. After we reboot our franchise, and our young players start winning, within the winning culture we establish landing free agents is much easier.

2) Why would we trade our best player/biggest asset when he is coming off an injury and his value is as low as it could be right now? This is a great point, and generally I am not a fan of that... however we all know we held Melo out after the slow start so he could rest, recover, and so we could lose as many games as possible. Other GMs know this as well. Melo is still viewed as top 5-10 in the NBA by many. He has plenty of value, especially to a team looking to push through to the next level today.

3) If Phil traded Melo now, wouldn't it look bad to potential stars looking to sign with us that we show no loyalty to a guy who choose to re-sign with this rebuilding franchise instead of heading for greener pastures in Chicago (or hell, LA for that matter even though they weren't much better then we were)? I will say again, no. The Heat have built this way for years, as has every contending team in the league. Even the Mavericks who has an owner who is super loyal to his core makes the moves he needs to up to and including MAJOR parts of his team in order to stay relevant or improve their team. You have a commitment to the city, state,league, fans, and yourself to continue to do whatever it takes to allow you to compete. Long term or short term plans aside... more over it's a business and players jump ship and force trades all the time. Loyalty in business makes very little sense. If I get an offer tomorrow for twice my salary I am out of here.

Before you all bash me and say I'm bias and a Melo defender, just know I really don't like his game and would NEVER had made the trade that brought him here. To be honest, I'm still pissed we gave up three value players (Moz, Wilson and Gallo) and picks to bring a guy who could have signed with us in the off-season here. At the time I supported it, but the deal ended up as one I was not in favor of, we were fleeced by Denver and our owner pushed that trade through while our GM was not a fan of it. We gave up too much and that trade along with 10-12 years of mismanagement is why we are a franchise in disarray. We sacrificed our future again and again for star chasing.

While I don't like the guy, I still think it's a mistake to let him go. Ideally I see the offseason as a chance to retool and hopefully build a team through free agency that can compete and make 2016 free agents salivate about playing here. Lets be real here, while I hope we do, the chances of us getting Gasol, Aldridge or any of the restricted free agents worth signing (Butler or Green) are slim. It'd be smart to bring in players who add value as role players and mesh well with Melo and our #4 pick (I'm praying Russel or Okafor slip but I'd be happy with Mudiay as long as we let dude run some pick and rolls). Here's how I see the ideal offseason playing out. We will have to agree to disagree on the approach, and I respect your right to disagree as well as your opinion.

1st) Either trade Calderon or waive him and save the 4mil.
2nd) Trade Timmy for a mid first round pick (somewhere in the 8-13 range) if (and only if) Frank the Tank or WCS are available.
3rd) Keep on Gallo and guarantee his contract, but let Ledo walk.
4th) Extend Qualifying offers to both Wear and Acy and bring in Antetokounmpo from the D League.
5th) Use that 30 million or so in cap space to bring in Matthews (8m per for 2 years), Millsap (13 mil per for 3), and the remaining 10mil on one year contracts for role playing vets.

I know Matthews tore his achilles and the injury was nasty but he isn’t actually injury prone. He is apparently ahead of schedule. He could be back just as strong, but expectations should never be too high for someone suffering an injury like that. This could actually end up being a positive for us for as a lot of teams could pass on him, letting us make a lower offer to him.

As for Millsap, I LOVE his game and think he'd be great playing along side next to Melo. While I wouldn't pay more then 13 million, I think that would be enough to bring him here. Hopefully Phil can convince him to come and we steer clear of Greg Monroe and his want for a max contract, in today's NBA I wouldn't pay a slow footed big with lackluster D more then 8 mil per.

As for the remaining 10 million, I'd offer 8 to Brendan Wright on a one year contract with a player option for next year. With a chance to start, he could play himself into a big contract for next season (either with us or another team). The remaining two I'd offer to Mike Dunleavy on a one year contract. I'd sign 4 guys for the minimum for the year, hopefully one big like a Scola or K-Mart and two D league guys to ride the pine in suits with Wear.

New Line-Up (12 man, but I'd play 9)
C- Wright(28 mins)/Kaminsky(20 mins)
PF- Millsap (34 mins)/Acy(14 mins)
SF- Melo(34 mins)/Dunleavy(14 mins)
SG- Matthews(34 mins)/Dunleavy(4 mins)/Gallo(10 mins)
PG- Mudiay(34 mins)/Gallo(14 mins)

10th- Early
11th- Antetokounmpo
12th- Vet Min Big

IR: Wear, Vet Min, Vet Min

This line-up leaves us 10mil off the books for next year which should be enough to bring in a max contract guy if the cap jumps as high as expected. It's also pretty solid and should fit well together for pick and roll spacing with Mudiay running the point. Melo, Matthews and Millsap can all dial in from long range so a P 'n' R with Mudiay/Wright should create open shots or easy lanes for Mudiay to score himself or Wright easy dunks. We would also be pretty decent on D as well, not amazing but in the top 15 in the league.

Thoughts?

I think that line up is never going to get us anywhere near a championship, and since my goal is a championship I would have to say that would be a plan Z. Maybe not that far down on my list, but you know... swing for the fences first and settle later. I am saying go all in on one direction or another, and for me the best course of action is moving Melo while you can and get back out of him something for all we gave up.

New York Knicks With Carmelo:
2010–11 season - Swept in the first round by the Celtics.
2011–12 season - Eliminated in the first round in 5 games by the Heat, 4–1 (The Knicks 1st playoff win since 2001, say that out loud)
2012–13 season - Knicks' first playoff series win since 2000 (against the Celtics 1st round), only to be eliminated in the 2nd round by the Pacers in 6 games.
2013–14 season - We finished 9th in the East and missed the playoffs.
2014–15 season - Franchise worst ever record of 17-65, winning 6 meaningless games ot give up the best chance of landing the #1 pick in the draft.

So the best Melo has done for us is the second round? Winning ONE series? He is an amazing player, but he is neither a vocal leader nor a player who makes a team better. He needs to be on the floor with a guy who is all of that...

Enter: Kobe Bryant.

[Dbloc123]

According to a source close to Carroll, he has a desire to play for Knicks coach Derek Fisher, who used to be his workout partner in Southern California a few years back. New York Post

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

[god shammgod]

According to a source close to Carroll, he has a desire to play for Knicks coach Derek Fisher, who used to be his workout partner in Southern California a few years back. New York Post

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

was just coming to post this. that was an interesting tidbit.

[Dbloc123]

According to a source close to Carroll, he has a desire to play for Knicks coach Derek Fisher, who used to be his workout partner in Southern California a few years back. New York Post

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

was just coming to post this. that was an interesting tidbit.

If we can get him for a decent price, i am all for it...

[god shammgod]

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

was just coming to post this. that was an interesting tidbit.

If we can get him for a decent price, i am all for it...

this is gonna be the only big payday of his career, he's going to the highest bidder. until he got hurt, he was the hawks best player though. he did step up.

[Grover]

Just a few question for anyone posting about trading Melo...

1) How are we supposed to attract stars to this team through free agency if we don't give them someone to play with?

2) Why would we trade our best player/biggest asset when he is coming off an injury and his value is as low as it could be right now?

3) If Phil traded Melo now, wouldn't it look bad to potential stars looking to sign with us that we show no loyalty to a guy who choose to re-sign with this rebuilding franchise instead of heading for greener pastures in Chicago (or hell, LA for that matter even though they weren't much better then we were)?

Before you all bash me and say I'm bias and a Melo defender, just know I really don't like his game and would NEVER had made the trade that brought him here. To be honest, I'm still pissed we gave up three value players (Moz, Wilson and Gallo) and picks to bring a guy who could have signed with us in the offseason here.

While I don't like the guy, I still think it's a mistake to let him go. Ideally I see the offseason as a chance to retool and hopefully build a team through free agency that can compete and make 2016 free agents salivate about playing here. Lets be real here, while I hope we do, the chances of us getting Gasol, Aldridge or any of the restricted free agents worth signing (Butler or Green) are slim. It'd be smart to bring in players who add value as role players and mesh well with Melo and our #4 pick (I'm praying Russel or Okafor slip but I'd be happy with Mudiay as long as we let dude run some pick and rolls). Here's how I see the ideal offseason playing out.

1st) Either trade Calderon or waive him and save the 4mil.
2nd) Trade Timmy for a mid first round pick (somewhere in the 8-13 range) if (and only if) Frank the Tank or WCS are available.
3rd) Keep on Gallo and guarantee his contract, but let Ledo walk.
4th) Extend Qualifying offers to both Wear and Acy and bring in Antetokounmpo from the D League.
5th) Use that 30 million or so in cap space to bring in Matthews (8m per for 2 years), Millsap (13 mil per for 3), and the remaining 10mil on one year contracts for role playing vets.

I know Matthews tore his achilles and the injury was nasty but he isn’t actually injury prone. He is apparently ahead of schedule. He could be back just as strong, but expectations should never be too high for someone suffering an injury like that. This could actually end up being a positive for us for as a lot of teams could pass on him, letting us make a lower offer to him.

As for Millsap, I LOVE his game and think he'd be great playing along side next to Melo. While I wouldn't pay more then 13 million, I think that would be enough to bring him here. Hopefully Phil can convince him to come and we steer clear of Greg Monroe and his want for a max contract, in today's NBA I wouldn't pay a slow footed big with lackluster D more then 8 mil per.

As for the remaining 10 million, I'd offer 8 to Brendan Wright on a one year contract with a player option for next year. With a chance to start, he could play himself into a big contract for next season (either with us or another team). The remaining two I'd offer to Mike Dunleavy on a one year contract. I'd sign 4 guys for the minimum for the year, hopefully one big like a Scola or K-Mart and two D league guys to ride the pine in suits with Wear.

New Line-Up (12 man, but I'd play 9)
C- Wright(28 mins)/Kaminsky(20 mins)
PF- Millsap (34 mins)/Acy(14 mins)
SF- Melo(34 mins)/Dunleavy(14 mins)
SG- Matthews(34 mins)/Dunleavy(4 mins)/Gallo(10 mins)
PG- Mudiay(34 mins)/Gallo(14 mins)

10th- Early
11th- Antetokounmpo
12th- Vet Min Big

IR: Wear, Vet Min, Vet Min

This line-up leaves us 10mil off the books for next year which should be enough to bring in a max contract guy if the cap jumps as high as expected. It's also pretty solid and should fit well together for pick and roll spacing with Mudiay running the point. Melo, Matthews and Millsap can all dial in from long range so a P 'n' R with Mudiay/Wright should create open shots or easy lanes for Mudiay to score himself or Wright easy dunks. We would also be pretty decent on D as well, not amazing but in the top 15 in the league.

Thoughts?

Where do we begin? The stretch provision and/or waiving a player with two years remaining on his deal is rare though Smith was one of few exceptions last year and the Pistons responded and now have tens of millions attached to their cap for several years. Perhaps Billups influenced your thinking but Calderon will remain if a deal is not found as several point guards will go down to injury during the year and the Knicks might be able to move him for an expiring and a second round pick. Hardaway will not return a first round pick from even Billy King in the distant future. Acy and Wear are footnotes in Knick history. Coming off an achilles tear will likely land Matthews a one year with a team option for a second but it's about 50-50 or less he will ever be close to the same player again. Wright is not a starting caliber center but is a good bench big. Millsap is a great player and was a steal a couple of years ago when Ferry got him on a cheap contract. I don't know if Ferry will reward him but I'm guessing the Knicks would be required to overpay to make him move from the playoffs to a fringe eighth seed team which is what you have created. I like Dunleavy but would assume he is looking for a shot at a ring as he is in the twilight of his career. He is the kind of player that is probably desired as part of the rotation due to his brain, passing and shooting ability while living with considerable defensive deficiencies. I like Kaminsky as an aim low and avoid disappointment long term pro with defensive and rebounding deficiencies but able to shoot and pass enough to be a rotation big with a nice career but I already addressed Hardaway's value. And that brings us to Mudlay who is a god right now. Unfortunately he is seen as one of the four best prospects in the draft where the Knicks are running an offensive system that considerably devalues point guards. I don't think there is any possibility of drafting him over others with Winslow as a likely possibility but I do hope Jackson takes advantage of another GM's desires and trades down for a better fit and some additional assets. Even the bench big choices of Scola or Martin have me scratching my head as to your understanding of Phil Jackson. Your not alone but seren's suggestion regarding Lee is a far better means to an end. It just doesn't happen soon enough for most Knick fans.