BAT 8.0 TRADE DISCUSSION (DRAFT STARTED IN OTHER THREAD)

[WillyJakkz]

Ya'll basically turn good situations (so so situation for Westbrook) for those players and put them in worst case situations.

Well I believe his situation got worse than mine but what makes you say that?

Westbrook and Melo together isn't really ideal. Rondo would be able to get Melo in position to score. Westbrook has that me first mentality which would cause chemistry issues and won't be able to run the team like rondo would. I just don't like the fit with Melo. I don't think Westbrook was in a good situation himself but this one is an upgrade over his last one, but still don't see the fit for him. I think you were looking for that dynamic second scorer. So you went with Westbrook, but you lost team chem and balance at the position i feel personally.

Nah, trust me, could care less about a dynamic second scorer, had a completely different vision for this team but since I'm late to the party by taking over a team I can't quite do some of the things I woulda done had I GM'd from the start.

Decided to replicate OKC's team instead and Melo = Durant as a scorer arguably, Westbrook now has Finals experience and should learn somewhat from it, so basically I've replaced:
Durant is Melo
Jackson is Thabo
Roy is Harden

[WillyJakkz]

Word out of Denver is that they may not be finished dealing as there are still rumblings that Carmelo Anthony may yet still be on the move.

Denver FO: willyjakk@gmail.com

[Knicksfan20]

Your team has a sevre lack of shooting though, and Roy is a huge question mark.

You need some spacing on the floor to allow Melo and Westbrook to play at their best. Melo and Westbrook both like to attack the basket, going to be a bit harder if the opposing defense packs the paint/inside the 3pt arc.

[ezmoney707]

Nah, trust me, could care less about a dynamic second scorer, had a completely different vision for this team but since I'm late to the party by taking over a team I can't quite do some of the things I woulda done had I GM'd from the start.

Decided to replicate OKC's team instead and Melo = Durant as a scorer arguably, Westbrook now has Finals experience and should learn somewhat from it, so basically I've replaced:
Durant is Melo
Jackson is Thabo
Roy is Harden

Yeah i see where you going with that. I just think chemistry has a lot to do with OKC's success.

check your email by the way

[CANiLIVE]

Your team has a sevre lack of shooting though, and Roy is a huge question mark.

You need some spacing on the floor to allow Melo and Westbrook to play at their best. Melo and Westbrook both like to attack the basket, going to be a bit harder if the opposing defense packs the paint/inside the 3pt arc.

Sjax can hit 3's ibaka has a reliable mid range jumpshot.

[Manhattan Project]

Standing around? Rondo makes every person on that team better. Harden will not have to start, Sef can slash with a better pure PG to find him along with kd, ibaka and perk.

They would have one player that can shoot the ball on the court, one player that can bust the zone. There would be no slashing with that scenario, Thabo becomes useless. Neither Perkins or Ibaka is posting anyone up, it would be Durant every single possession, something you would be thrilled with.

Westbrook's ability to score is invaluable to that team, far to many people seem to lose sight of this. He brings defense just like Rondo does. It comes down to facilitating vs scoring and the Thunder desperately need Westbrook's scoring.

[WillyJakkz]

Your team has a sevre lack of shooting though, and Roy is a huge question mark.

You need some spacing on the floor to allow Melo and Westbrook to play at their best. Melo and Westbrook both like to attack the basket, going to be a bit harder if the opposing defense packs the paint/inside the 3pt arc.

Lol, that's what Stephen Jackson is for:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/378/stephen-jackson

Dude avg'd 3.2 3's against OKC in the Playoffs when they sagged off him and "packed the paint" to stop Tony Parker.

Will he avg 3/ game for us, I doubt it but point is Stack 5 can drain the 3.

Also you act as if Melo can't shoot, and Westbrook has gotten better as well.

[Knicksfan20]

edit...sum weird happend.


Anyways...Sjax is a career 33 percent shooter. His last good 3pt season was 5 years ago.

[CANiLIVE]

Standing around? Rondo makes every person on that team better. Harden will not have to start, Sef can slash with a better pure PG to find him along with kd, ibaka and perk.

They would have one player that can shoot the ball on the court, one player that can bust the zone. There would be no slashing with that scenario, Thabo becomes useless. Neither Perkins or Ibaka is posting anyone up, it would be Durant every single possession, something you would be thrilled with.

Westbrook's ability to score is invaluable to that team, far to many people seem to lose sight of this. He brings defense just like Rondo does. It comes down to facilitating vs scoring and the Thunder desperately need Westbrook's scoring.

So rondo can't score at all? Sef can't hit a 3 or mid range shot ever? ibaka has no jumper? Harden doesn't play starter mins? And let's not act like sef and rondo won't be one of the best pg sg combos is the lg.

Rondo is under more control then westbrook, westbrook makes dumb mistakes that cost okc games. Rondo has shown he can improve his jumper, plus he would know when to feed kd and other players.

[TDJacksonville]

Your team has a sevre lack of shooting though, and Roy is a huge question mark.

You need some spacing on the floor to allow Melo and Westbrook to play at their best. Melo and Westbrook both like to attack the basket, going to be a bit harder if the opposing defense packs the paint/inside the 3pt arc.

Sjax can hit 3's ibaka has a reliable mid range jumpshot.

Jackson is a 33 % 3pt shooter and shot 30% last year and 28% the year before that.

Hes not reliable enough, hes a great 3pt shooter in 2k, but not as efficient as youd like in real life. To give you an idea...Iman Shumpert shot 31% last season...Sjax is only 2 % more...

Theres a huge difference between a 38-40% 3pt shooter...and a 30-33% 3pt shooter.

Ibaka can hit the midrange, but hes not reliable.
His team really lacks shooting. And size.

sounds like a recipie for Disaster

[WillyJakkz]

edit...sum weird happend.


Anyways...Sjax is a career 33 percent shooter. His last good 3pt season was 5 years ago.

Regardless, I'm not remotely interested in Frye. Stack 5 will suffice.

If not and all I want is a "shooter" I'll draft one of the several options left or trade for one.

[Fury]

Willy, interested in Courtney Lee?

[Knicksfan20]

Standing around? Rondo makes every person on that team better. Harden will not have to start, Sef can slash with a better pure PG to find him along with kd, ibaka and perk.

They would have one player that can shoot the ball on the court, one player that can bust the zone. There would be no slashing with that scenario, Thabo becomes useless. Neither Perkins or Ibaka is posting anyone up, it would be Durant every single possession, something you would be thrilled with.

Westbrook's ability to score is invaluable to that team, far to many people seem to lose sight of this. He brings defense just like Rondo does. It comes down to facilitating vs scoring and the Thunder desperately need Westbrook's scoring.

So rondo can't score at all? Sef can't hit a 3 or mid range shot ever? ibaka has no jumper? Harden doesn't play starter mins? And let's not act like sef and rondo won't be one of the best pg sg combos is the lg.

Rondo is under more control then westbrook, westbrook makes dumb mistakes that cost okc games. Rondo has shown he can improve his jumper, plus he would know when to feed kd and other players.

Sef is a really bad shooter dude.

[Manhattan Project]

So rondo can't score at all? Sef can't hit a 3 or mid range shot ever? ibaka has no jumper? Harden doesn't play starter mins? And let's not act like sef and rondo won't be one of the best pg sg combos is the lg.

Rondo is under more control then westbrook, westbrook makes dumb mistakes that cost okc games. Rondo has shown he can improve his jumper, plus he would know when to feed kd and other players.

We really trying to sell Rondo's scoring now? Thabo for the better part of his career has been terrible shooting the ball, it's only his defense that keeps him starting. Are we really expecting more than twenty points between these two? What makes Rondo-Thabo better than the Westbrook-Thabo combo. No one considers Westbrook/Thabo among the elite back courts but we would Rondo/Thabo? I'm not buying that.

For all of Rondo is more under control, they still average the same amount of turnovers. Westbrook catches more flak than any other player in the league it seems. Again yeah Rondo is the better facilitator, but the Thunder don't need that. Yeah Rondo averages a ton more assists, but when you only look to pass the ball it's bound to happen. They need Westbrook's scoring, they need him attacking.

Again I don't see one way the Thunder improve by swapping Rondo for Westbrook. Is it defensively? No. Is it on the boards? No. Is it intangibles? No. It comes down to scoring vs facilitating and for the Thunder the answer is obvious to me.

[CANiLIVE]

Sef is a bad shooter he only avgs 5 points plays about 19 mins, harden plys 30+. Sef is only out there to set a tone on d. Harden basicly a starter. Let's not act like if the team can't score sef will stay in the game.

[Context]

All of the GM's who were interested in the back to back 230 and 231 picks I'm ready - please email me - looking to move up to the up and coming selections...

[Manhattan Project]

Sef is a bad shooter he only avgs 5 points plays about 19 mins, harden plys 30+. Sef is only out there to set a tone on d. Harden basicly a starter. Let's not act like if the team can't score sef will stay in the game.

Let's not pretend the luxury of having Harden coming off the bench is only because of Westbrook. Let's not pretend the entire reason Harden hasn't started is because of Westbrook. Let's not pretend that with only Durant and four defensive players that the team would get off to a fast start.

[CANiLIVE]

We really trying to sell Rondo's scoring now? Thabo for the better part of his career has been terrible shooting the ball, it's only his defense that keeps him starting. Are we really expecting more than twenty points between these two? What makes Rondo-Thabo better than the Westbrook-Thabo combo. No one considers Westbrook/Thabo among the elite back courts but we would Rondo/Thabo? I'm not buying that.

For all of Rondo is more under control, they still average the same amount of turnovers. Westbrook catches more flak than any other player in the league it seems. Again yeah Rondo is the better facilitator, but the Thunder don't need that. Yeah Rondo averages a ton more assists, but when you only look to pass the ball it's bound to happen. They need Westbrook's scoring, they need him attacking.

Again I don't see one way the Thunder improve by swapping Rondo for Westbrook. Is it defensively? No. Is it on the boards? No. Is it intangibles? No. It comes down to scoring vs facilitating and for the Thunder the answer is obvious to me.

If rondo was on okc of course they would get shooters around him. What I'm trying to say is rondo is a better pg hands down. If okc had more shooters Rondo would be a better fit.

[Mecca]

EVERYONE on my roster is available. Email me. IF THE TRADE IS UNREALISTIC IT WILL BE IGNORED.

[Knicksfan20]

Channing Frye available. 11/6 1.1 bpg last season. Great option as a backup big man who can stretch the floor. Career 40 percent shooter from 3 as well.


Not looking for a crazy offer. Just an upcoming pick and compensation later in the draft.