Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

[omerome]

All this likely happens if do nothing and continue to roll Felton and JR out there. We can't survive with the guard play we are getting.

If it's not Lowry then it needs to be someone else.

If Melo leaves it's not because of we're reluctant to trade assets to slightly improve our PG, it's because he wanted to leave. If that's not the reason for him leaving, I'd go to NYC myself and help him pack. The guard play is terrible but trading assets away for a short term improvement are why the Knicks are in this position now. They gave up all of their assets in the Melo deal and compounded it more with the Tyson deal; all because they wanted to go "all in".

They need to keep in mind that future first round picks are valuable assets because as we see now, being over the cap with little to no picks won't get you anywhere. You can't sign talent and you can't keep talent so fielding a good team is difficult. Trading for Lowry imo is an Isiah Thomas like move because it helps the team today, but does nothing for tomorrow.

[NBA Fan 1234]

How is going nothing, missing the playoffs, and losing Melo in the offseason a good business decision?

I'm not saying it has to be Lowry or that it ends with him. But the Knicks have to do something not only for their fans but to convince Melo that this team can win moving forward. The idea that we can afford to punt the season and rebuild is just garbage. The Knicks already mortgaged those draft picks. They have to double down with Melo and do everything in their power to convince him to stay eventhough it maybe a bad bet at this point.

all of this happens if we don't go after lowry?

All this likely happens if do nothing and continue to roll Felton and JR out there. We can't survive with the guard play we are getting.

If it's not Lowry then it needs to be someone else.

you do realize we have played the first ~25% of the season basically without tyson, right? you do realize that the second he steps onto the court we will be better...right? while he doesnt help sure up out perimeter defense, he helps the interior -- meaning, if a guard does get into the paint, they actually have someone to watch out for.

in addition, as bad as jr/shump/everyone else ahs been playing, you have to figure that the shooting percentages will get back to the mean...or at least close to it. playing the averages, you have to think that the % will go up.

we are a 2nd round team at best as currently constructed and a 2nd round team at best with lowry. no need to further jeopardize our future by trading young players / more picks.

fact is, this is a knee jerk trade based on our horrible record -- a record we would not have had tyson not been injured for so many games.

[moocow007]

And what happens if the raps decide to move him in the meantime and noone else becomes available?

Then the Knicks made finally a good business decision.

How is going nothing, missing the playoffs, and losing Melo in the offseason a good business decision?

I'm not saying it has to be Lowry or that it ends with him.

But you are. Just read what you wrote again previously.

But the Knicks have to do something not only for their fans but to convince Melo that this team can win moving forward.

How is signing a guy who is not a top 15 PG and who could himself bolt after this season "re-assuring" Anthony anything? Again...Lowry's contract is expiring. Unless the belief is that he'd sign a 1 year deal with NY just so NY can have their options open to see if there's a better option in the summer of 2015 (and why would he do that?)...they are going to have to extend him (unless he's poo). And his extension would cut into any shot NY has of finding a real 2nd option in the summer of 2015...unless the belief is that Lowry, who's coming off $6.5 million this season is going to take a Felton like contract extension (again, why would he?).

The idea that we can afford to punt the season and rebuild is just garbage.

Who is rebuilding?

The Knicks already mortgaged those draft picks. They have to double down with Melo and do everything in their power to convince him to stay eventhough it maybe a bad bet at this point.

Carmelo Anthony is smart enough to know what a real 2nd option is and that Lowry isn't that. He's also smart enough to know that $30 million is not something you give up. How do we know that? Because it's the reason why he became a Knick a half season year earlier than a lot of folks here wanted...money.

[NBA Fan 1234]

All this likely happens if do nothing and continue to roll Felton and JR out there. We can't survive with the guard play we are getting.

If it's not Lowry then it needs to be someone else.

If Melo leaves it's not because of we're reluctant to trade assets to slightly improve our PG, it's because he wanted to leave. If that's not the reason for him leaving, I'd go to NYC myself and help him pack. The guard play is terrible but trading assets away for a short term improvement is why the Knicks are in this position now. They gave up all of their assets in the Melo deal and compounded it more with the Tyson deal; all because they wanted to go "all in".

They need to keep in mind that future first round picks are valuable assets because as we see now, being over the cap with little to no picks won't get you anywhere. You can't sign talent and you can't keep talent so fielding a good team is difficult. Trading for Lowry imo is an Isiah Thomas like move because it helps the team today, but does nothing for tomorrow.

andddd we have a winner. nice post. completely agree with everything -- especially the bold (although, like i said in my post, i see us as the same 2nd round exit team with lowry / without him -- his improvement wont make a huge difference in our playoff hopes simply because the pacers and heat are on a completely different level than every other team in the east)

[SpiderMunn]

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With no Lowry yet, Prigioni could keep starting PG spot after Felton returns from hamstring if #Knicks rolling http://nyp.st/1bJperO

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According to an NBA source, “several’’ teams are in the mix for Lowry now. The Knicks are still making an attempt to find a way, but appear to be long shots at this stage. They have been unwilling to add a third pawn to a package of Felton and Metta World Peace — either Tim Hardaway Jr., Iman Shumpert or their 2018 first-round pick.

“[Lowry] is a very good player,’’ one league general manager said. “It’s a big upgrade for the Knicks.’’

[Marty McFly]

“[Lowry] is a very good player,’’ one league general manager said. “It’s a big upgrade for the Knicks.’’

nice try, masai...

[omerome]

Comparing Felton to pretty much any PG is a big upgrade to the Knicks.

[NBA Fan 1234]

How is going nothing, missing the playoffs, and losing Melo in the offseason a good business decision?

I'm not saying it has to be Lowry or that it ends with him. But the Knicks have to do something not only for their fans but to convince Melo that this team can win moving forward. The idea that we can afford to punt the season and rebuild is just garbage. The Knicks already mortgaged those draft picks. They have to double down with Melo and do everything in their power to convince him to stay eventhough it maybe a bad bet at this point.

all of this happens if we don't go after lowry?

All this likely happens if do nothing and continue to roll Felton and JR out there. We can't survive with the guard play we are getting.

If it's not Lowry then it needs to be someone else.

what is this "we" you speak of? not many knicks fans in toronto...yeah...i know.

heres the link to the correct board of your team -- viewforum.php?f=32

edit -- also, 22222 posts. ha

[Workforce250]

All this likely happens if do nothing and continue to roll Felton and JR out there. We can't survive with the guard play we are getting.

If it's not Lowry then it needs to be someone else.

If Melo leaves it's not because of we're reluctant to trade assets to slightly improve our PG, it's because he wanted to leave. If that's not the reason for him leaving, I'd go to NYC myself and help him pack. The guard play is terrible but trading assets away for a short term improvement is why the Knicks are in this position now. They gave up all of their assets in the Melo deal and compounded it more with the Tyson deal; all because they wanted to go "all in".

They need to keep in mind that future first round picks are valuable assets because as we see now, being over the cap with little to no picks won't get you anywhere. You can't sign talent and you can't keep talent so fielding a good team is difficult. Trading for Lowry imo is an Isiah Thomas like move because it helps the team today, but does nothing for tomorrow.

andddd we have a winner. nice post. completely agree with everything -- especially the bold (although, like i said in my post, i see us as the same 2nd round exit team with lowry / without him -- his improvement wont make a huge difference in our playoff hopes simply because the pacers and heat are on a completely different level than every other team in the east)

True... but we had Indy in New York without Chandler. In any event I totally agree, Lowry is a panic move.

[Nyk4lyfe]

Most of you guys are against trading the 1st it seems (im on the same boat).

Just curious though, would you guys do Shump + Felton for Lowry if it came to that?

[cgmw]

Calling Lowry a panic move is all well and good, but it's exactly how Dolan's been doing business for his entire tenure as boss. I don't think it qualifies as panic when it's the defacto mindset for nearly two full decades.

[NBA Fan 1234]

If Melo leaves it's not because of we're reluctant to trade assets to slightly improve our PG, it's because he wanted to leave. If that's not the reason for him leaving, I'd go to NYC myself and help him pack. The guard play is terrible but trading assets away for a short term improvement is why the Knicks are in this position now. They gave up all of their assets in the Melo deal and compounded it more with the Tyson deal; all because they wanted to go "all in".

They need to keep in mind that future first round picks are valuable assets because as we see now, being over the cap with little to no picks won't get you anywhere. You can't sign talent and you can't keep talent so fielding a good team is difficult. Trading for Lowry imo is an Isiah Thomas like move because it helps the team today, but does nothing for tomorrow.

andddd we have a winner. nice post. completely agree with everything -- especially the bold (although, like i said in my post, i see us as the same 2nd round exit team with lowry / without him -- his improvement wont make a huge difference in our playoff hopes simply because the pacers and heat are on a completely different level than every other team in the east)

True... but we had Indy in New York without Chandler. In any event I totally agree, Lowry is a panic move.

with a healthy chandler do we have a chance to beat the pacers? sure. but, again, even with lowry, everything would have to fall into place perfectly -- ie, jr hitting jumpers, melo hitting jumpers, team actually playing as a team, coach (whomever that may be) actually coaching, bargs not being poor with rotations, stat same thing and not forcing it on offense, shump playing great defense + hitting threes, and chandler has to neutralize hibbert (either by matching his effort, playing with intensity, keeping him off the offensive glass, and anchoring our defense like hibbert does). i wouldnt read much into the pacers game, to be honest. it was a regular season game...pacers are built for the playoffs. plus, good teams lose to mediocre teams every day.

[moocow007]

Calling Lowry a panic move is all well and good, but it's exactly how Dolan's been doing business for his entire tenure as boss. I don't think it qualifies as panic when it's the defacto mindset for nearly two full decades.

That is true. But we can still hope that maybe finally something clicks up their between those fuzzy little hair covered ears.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Most of you guys are against trading the 1st it seems (im on the same boat).

Just curious though, would you guys do Shump + Felton for Lowry if it came to that?

i may be in the minority here, but i wouldnt. im honestly just completely against trading young players or picks unless it is a HUGE upgrade (ie, getting star player / close to one in return).

[Marty McFly]

Most of you guys are against trading the 1st it seems (im on the same boat).

Just curious though, would you guys do Shump + Felton for Lowry if it came to that?

i would. they want that 1st pick doe.

[BeagleBoss]

I'm surprised a trade wasn't made yesterday. I was almost 100% sure it would happen. Kudos to Dolan and Mills for not caving in, I guess. Lowry is a good PG but he isn't worth a future asset and he isn't going to save our dead season.

[IMAN5]

Teletovic is a lot more appealing than Artest. Artest will ask for a buyout or retire. Teletovic is still young and can be added to this core that Masai is building.

The reason you posted above is why Artest would be more appealing to a tanking team.

I thought about that too, because as a Knicks fan too there are many games where MWP just takes over, when he really shouldn't. He can be great defensively sometimes (no where near where he was before) but some of his offensive decisions are terrible.

I would however want the Raptors to atl east have 1 asset or prospect.

[omerome]

Most of you guys are against trading the 1st it seems (im on the same boat).

Just curious though, would you guys do Shump + Felton for Lowry if it came to that?

I still wouldn't do it. We're trading for a guy who isn't in our long term plans and shouldn't be (Lowry). This is mostly because of his expiring contract. If we're trading Shumpert, it should be for either another young player on a favorable contract or for future draft considerations. If not, just keep him and hope he bounces back.

We can't keep on giving up on young talent when a shiny new toy is released. Each time that happens, it turns out to be defective and is now past the warranty period.

[moocow007]

Most of you guys are against trading the 1st it seems (im on the same boat).

Just curious though, would you guys do Shump + Felton for Lowry if it came to that?

i may be in the minority here, but i wouldnt. im honestly just completely against trading young players or picks unless it is a HUGE upgrade (ie, getting star player / close to one in return).

I wouldn't either. IF Lowry's contract expired after next season, I would. But I have no interest in resigning him to a multi-year deal (which the Knicks will pretty much have to do unless they want to be even worse than they are this season, next season).

[gavran]

Most of you guys are against trading the 1st it seems (im on the same boat).

Just curious though, would you guys do Shump + Felton for Lowry if it came to that?

i may be in the minority here, but i wouldnt. im honestly just completely against trading young players or picks unless it is a HUGE upgrade (ie, getting star player / close to one in return).

Especially if you trade for player who won't be in the future plans. Lowry in an expiring, and if the Knicks would trade for him, he'd be only in NY for 6 month, and then bye-bye.