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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3361 » by JohnStarksTheDunk » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:40 pm

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Kyle Lowry: There is something to be said about having an asset other teams want; you can simply sit back and let the market shower you with affection and options. The Toronto Raptors are going to move point guard Kyle Lowry. The question isn’t “if” it is “when”. The New York Knicks, Brooklyn Nets and LA Lakers have all been linked to Lowry in some way, either through media reports or from genuine offers. The Raptors are sitting in the control position and they have made it clear they are not doing a deal with Lowry unless it nets them the kinds of future assets they want and if that means walking this down to the trade deadline, they are more than prepared to do it.

If Raptor’s president and general manager Masai Ujiri has proven anything in his time in the executive chair, it’s that he’ll wait for his deal. The Raptors are in no hurry to make a bad deal and until the Raptors get what they are asking for things will stay as they are. It is inevitable that Lowry is moved. The Raptors have to get value for him before the trade deadline. The question is who will meet the asking price in Toronto? At this point that team is not clear. The Knicks are back at the table. The Warriors have expressed interest and the Nets and Lakers are sniffing around, so it’s not as if Toronto doesn’t have options.


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The part in bold kind of negates everything else that comes before it, no? They can't just wait to get what they are asking for, if no team is willing to give it to them. Toronto is kind of bluffing to make it look like they have all of the leverage. They don't want him, aren't going to re-sign him, and hurt their lottery position the longer they keep him. If it's inevitable that they're going to trade him, then they will simply have to accept the best offer. And if they can't get what they want, they'll have to lower their asking price or get absolutely nothing for him and jeopardize their tank.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3362 » by N8isScofield » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:42 pm

The question that a smart exec asks is whether Lowry is worth giving up the assets required. If he isn't then you don't make a deal for him. I don't think that he's such a transformative and unique player that he'd be worth giving up any first round pick for. He's as slightly better version of a healthy Raymond Felton. Is that worth a first round pick that could turn into a Paul George or Damon Lillard? I don't think so.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3363 » by Knox » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:48 pm

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Knox wrote:If Lowry was really that valuable, they wouldn't be trying to ship him out of town. He is expendable for a reason and this is beyond just tanking. You think if he was CP3 they would be trying to move him to tank. Lowry's talent as a PG that can be replaced ( or found) in time. We are not over paying so keep him and F U MASahiroPuto


I kind of see your point, but CP3 is a terrible example. You look to dump players when they're not good enough to be a franchise cornerstone and not bad enough to be a tank commander. Lowry right in the middle.


We basically agree but you just rephrased it differently. In the middle as an average point guard and is replaceable like I said. So there is no reason to overpay for an "average" point guard. Raptors can budge or we can move on. The reward from Lowry is not worth the loss of assets in the long haul. We could use those assets elsewhere. Lowry is not going to push us over the edge against the Pacers or the Heat. Last timeI checked they are the team preventing us from making that big push to the Finals.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3364 » by djsunyc » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:49 pm

first off, the fans on the raptors board have no clue what management is thinking. it seems like they want to tank but the rudy deal actually made us a better team. we actually just got a decent point in return which allows us to move Lowry. we may be rebuilding but we may not be going all in for this draft which makes many on the raptors board upset.

lowry has played significantly better after the removal of rudy. now...will he revert back with another ball stopper like melo? possibly but the Knicks are desperate.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3365 » by MR IB4TL » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:49 pm

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XerXeZ57 wrote:Don't panic and make this deal. This is a typical panic move- wait it out and get someone better for your assets.


And what happens if the raps decide to move him in the meantime and noone else becomes available?

I don't really understand the point in waiting if the cost is only 2018 protected first-round pick. Not only that I'd want Lowry (or whomever else) in here as soon as possible to replace Felton. Feb maybe too late with the way Felton is playing.


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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3366 » by JohnStarksTheDunk » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:49 pm

Mike Breen wrote:You look to dump players when they're not good enough to be a franchise cornerstone and not bad enough to be a tank commander.


And when you don't want to give them long-term money.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3367 » by Lord Commander » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:51 pm

JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:The part in bold kind of negates everything else that comes before it, no? They can't just wait to get what they are asking for, if no team is willing to give it to them. Toronto is kind of bluffing to make it look like they have all of the leverage. They don't want him, aren't going to re-sign him, and hurt their lottery position the longer they keep him. If it's inevitable that they're going to trade him, then they will simply have to accept the best offer. And if they can't get what they want, they'll have to lower their asking price or get absolutely nothing for him and jeopardize their tank.


Agreed. Don't give Ujiri Jack Sh*t! I'm tired of this mofo making making a name for himself off the Knicks.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3368 » by Marty McFly » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:55 pm

djsunyc wrote:first off, the fans on the raptors board have no clue what management is thinking. it seems like they want to tank but the rudy deal actually made us a better team. we actually just got a decent point in return which allows us to move Lowry. we may be rebuilding but we may not be going all in for this draft which makes many on the raptors board upset.

lowry has played significantly better after the removal of rudy. now...will he revert back with another ball stopper like melo? possibly but the Knicks are desperate.


not desperate enough for lowry.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3369 » by [GR] » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:57 pm

If Pablo gets hurt, the deal will be done that night
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3370 » by siar617 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:57 pm

I wouldn't even give them MWP.
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Or kick rocks straight to the 16th pick
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3371 » by god shammgod » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:01 pm

djsunyc wrote:first off, the fans on the raptors board have no clue what management is thinking. it seems like they want to tank but the rudy deal actually made us a better team. we actually just got a decent point in return which allows us to move Lowry. we may be rebuilding but we may not be going all in for this draft which makes many on the raptors board upset.

lowry has played significantly better after the removal of rudy. now...will he revert back with another ball stopper like melo? possibly but the Knicks are desperate.


http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/12/9/5193696/masai-ujiri-rudy-gay-trade-toronto-raptors

Speaking on the direction of the franchise, Ujiri said that the Raptors would avoid mediocrity, via Eric Koreen of the National Post:
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3372 » by iAdoreeKnicks » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:02 pm

lmao raptor fans want thj, shump and 2018 first round pick for lowry, gtfo stupid
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3373 » by Marty McFly » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:17 pm

only reason I'd even bother giving them shump because of all the crazy currently going on with jr. here's to him making the best of jr getting put in the doghouse.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3374 » by Johnny Hoops » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:20 pm

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Kyle Lowry: There is something to be said about having an asset other teams want; you can simply sit back and let the market shower you with affection and options. The Toronto Raptors are going to move point guard Kyle Lowry. The question isn’t “if” it is “when”. The New York Knicks, Brooklyn Nets and LA Lakers have all been linked to Lowry in some way, either through media reports or from genuine offers. The Raptors are sitting in the control position and they have made it clear they are not doing a deal with Lowry unless it nets them the kinds of future assets they want and if that means walking this down to the trade deadline, they are more than prepared to do it.

If Raptor’s president and general manager Masai Ujiri has proven anything in his time in the executive chair, it’s that he’ll wait for his deal. The Raptors are in no hurry to make a bad deal and until the Raptors get what they are asking for things will stay as they are. It is inevitable that Lowry is moved. The Raptors have to get value for him before the trade deadline. The question is who will meet the asking price in Toronto? At this point that team is not clear. The Knicks are back at the table. The Warriors have expressed interest and the Nets and Lakers are sniffing around, so it’s not as if Toronto doesn’t have options.


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The Warrior's would really benefit from Lowry --- IMO they are really missing the off-the-bench jolt that Jarret Jack gave them last year and god help them Tony Douglas is their back up point. Problem with GS is that Lowry wouldn't want to come off the bench and would probably be pissed about that.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3375 » by Greenie » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:25 pm

djsunyc wrote:first off, the fans on the raptors board have no clue what management is thinking. it seems like they want to tank but the rudy deal actually made us a better team. we actually just got a decent point in return which allows us to move Lowry. we may be rebuilding but we may not be going all in for this draft which makes many on the raptors board upset.

lowry has played significantly better after the removal of rudy. now...will he revert back with another ball stopper like melo? possibly but the Knicks are desperate.

This is where you guys are getting lost...we are not desperate. We are in the eastern conference with a former DPOTY returning soon and our scoring champ playing better with our floor generals since Ray has been out.

Lowry is not pushing us past neither the Heat or Pacers. He is not needed here. Trading for him does nothing for us. Not now or in the future.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3376 » by K_ick_God » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:26 pm

Seems there's a lot of interest in THJ and Shump and unlike the Nets, we still have our 2018 pick. So we have assets. Just keep them, develop them, try to get Felton to come back in shape and make a push to the playoffs.

Keep the chips for 2015.

Forget about B+ players like Lowry. Let's keep our eye on the ball. Rondo for one.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3377 » by Greenie » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:26 pm

[GR] wrote:If Pablo gets hurt, the deal will be done that night

not with Udrih playing well...
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3378 » by Greenie » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:28 pm

god shammgod wrote:
djsunyc wrote:first off, the fans on the raptors board have no clue what management is thinking. it seems like they want to tank but the rudy deal actually made us a better team. we actually just got a decent point in return which allows us to move Lowry. we may be rebuilding but we may not be going all in for this draft which makes many on the raptors board upset.

lowry has played significantly better after the removal of rudy. now...will he revert back with another ball stopper like melo? possibly but the Knicks are desperate.


http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/12/9/5193696/masai-ujiri-rudy-gay-trade-toronto-raptors

Speaking on the direction of the franchise, Ujiri said that the Raptors would avoid mediocrity, via Eric Koreen of the National Post:

yeah but which way is he going? is he tanking or improving the team?
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3379 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:32 pm

greenhughes wrote:
[GR] wrote:If Pablo gets hurt, the deal will be done that night

not with Udrih playing well...



Udrih is a time bomb waiting to go off if given an expanded role.
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Re: Raps trying to trade us Lowry... 

Post#3380 » by god shammgod » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:32 pm

greenhughes wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
djsunyc wrote:first off, the fans on the raptors board have no clue what management is thinking. it seems like they want to tank but the rudy deal actually made us a better team. we actually just got a decent point in return which allows us to move Lowry. we may be rebuilding but we may not be going all in for this draft which makes many on the raptors board upset.

lowry has played significantly better after the removal of rudy. now...will he revert back with another ball stopper like melo? possibly but the Knicks are desperate.


http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/12/9/5193696/masai-ujiri-rudy-gay-trade-toronto-raptors

Speaking on the direction of the franchise, Ujiri said that the Raptors would avoid mediocrity, via Eric Koreen of the National Post:

yeah but which way is he going? is he tanking or improving the team?


they got rid of rudy. they're talking to multiple teams about lowry. it's obvious. are these few wins gonna convince them that they're heading somewhere else ?

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