OFFICIAL - Amare Must Go Thread (all hate here) #TRADESTAT

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Jefferson has played Center for most of his career, and he does so for the Jazz, thus no way to even include Tyson to it.

Kanter and Favors are coming off the bench in smaller roles as they learn the game, so the glut in that position isn't too bad.

Actually Amar'e in the situation would be perfect since he wouldn't have to play more than 30 minutes, and have minutes saved up for the youngsters like Milsap does.

So two number three picks from the last two drafts, and two other big men totaling nearly 40 points per game is not enough big men for them and they should trade their starting PG and his backup plus two other guards for two more big men?

I guess they can start Amare at PG spot. LOL.

What are you talking about?

Jefferson is around 18 and Milsap is around 15 as far as ppg go, and Kanter and Favors barely contribute on offense, as they aare still learning the game.

Utah wants to trade their starting pg according to the report, and half of their roster is guards.

And who's the second big man in my trade idea.....Balkman?

Come on guy, Bakman is not a big man.

I give up.

It is a great trade. Utah will enjoy a great starting five of Kanter/Favors/Amare/Jefferson/Millsap
paying them a combined 60 million. And yes. Obviously Balkman can play the backup PG.

As Amare suggests "You gotta start using your brain".

[Rasho Brezec]

Yeah, why would Jazz in rebuilding phase trade for a star big man when it's the last thing they need.

[Thugger HBC]

So two number three picks from the last two drafts, and two other big men totaling nearly 40 points per game is not enough big men for them and they should trade their starting PG and his backup plus two other guards for two more big men?

I guess they can start Amare at PG spot. LOL.

What are you talking about?

Jefferson is around 18 and Milsap is around 15 as far as ppg go, and Kanter and Favors barely contribute on offense, as they aare still learning the game.

Utah wants to trade their starting pg according to the report, and half of their roster is guards.

And who's the second big man in my trade idea.....Balkman?

Come on guy, Bakman is not a big man.

I give up.

It is a great trade. Utah will enjoy a great starting five of Kanter/Favors/Amare/Jefferson/Millsap
paying them a combined 60 million. And yes. Obviously Balkman can play the backup PG.

As Amare suggests "You gotta start using your brain".

If I took Watson and Balkman out would that satisfy you?

Still doesn't eliminate the fact that Utah has seven guards on their team, three being pg's in Tinsley, Watson and Devin.

Future wise, no way they Keep Favors, Kanter and Milsap if they all develop anyway.

The Jefferson piece needs to be completely thrown out as he is their one and only center.

When he comes out they play extremely small.

[Thugger HBC]

Yeah, why would Jazz in rebuilding phase trade for a star big man when it's the last thing they need.

Depends on how bad they wanna move Devin Harris.

I doubt they'd get a starting quality pg for him.

I really don't think they are just rebuilding, but rather re-tooling.

Kanter , Favors and Milsap are redundant anyway at this point.

At least when jefferson sit Ama're can slide over into the Center spot at times, whereas they have no backup center at all instead of going small.

[Pharmcat]

Id trade amare for pau

Lal is prolly only team in league that can risk amare

[Rasho Brezec]

Enes Kanter is their backup C so I don't know what you're talking about. Him and Favors are their future frontcourt. A deal that might make sense is Amare for Harris and Millsap. I'd do that immediately.

[Priggy Smalls]

man i really wish amare/fields for scola/martin had any chance of happening because it makes too much sense for both teams. amare and fields get their careers revived by lowry and mchale gets to work with amare while we get to make our transition to a high iq half-court team.

[Thugger HBC]

Enes Kanter is their backup C so I don't know what you're talking about. Him and Favors are their future frontcourt. A deal that might make sense is Amare for Harris and Millsap. I'd do that immediately.

I would do a deal like that in an instant as well.

I really don't see Kanter as a center yet, but as a 4 as well, slightly similar to young Tim Duncan, which is why I didn't list him as a center.

I'm really just looking at it as a way to "possibly" rid the team of a bad contract and acquire some depth and flexibility in the process.

I see Utah as a being in a crossroad right now as they have a glut in two areas of the team.

Possibly trading Amar'e there obvious creates another one too, but I don't think they are in full rebuild mode yet.

[Rasho Brezec]

Kanter is too slow and unathletic to be anything other than a center, and even at C his defense is bad. But a big men rotation of Amare/Favors - Jefferson/Kanter is at least decent offensively, and both of the big contracts would expire before the rookie deals so they could make a smooth transition.

[Thugger HBC]

OAN........ is anyone else annoyed with Amar'e being hell bent on defending D'antoni's "offense"? (see wiretap)

He's the main culprit of why the ball doesn't move.

[Thugger HBC]

Kanter is too slow and unathletic to be anything other than a center, and even at C his defense is bad. But a big men rotation of Amare/Favors - Jefferson/Kanter is at least decent offensively, and both of the big contracts would expire before the rookie deals so they could make a smooth transition.

Fair enough, I did notice the contract situation as well.

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What are you talking about?

Jefferson is around 18 and Milsap is around 15 as far as ppg go, and Kanter and Favors barely contribute on offense, as they aare still learning the game.

Utah wants to trade their starting pg according to the report, and half of their roster is guards.

And who's the second big man in my trade idea.....Balkman?

Come on guy, Bakman is not a big man.

I give up.

It is a great trade. Utah will enjoy a great starting five of Kanter/Favors/Amare/Jefferson/Millsap
paying them a combined 60 million. And yes. Obviously Balkman can play the backup PG.

As Amare suggests "You gotta start using your brain".

If I took Watson and Balkman out would that satisfy you?

Still doesn't eliminate the fact that Utah has seven guards on their team, three being pg's in Tinsley, Watson and Devin.

Future wise, no way they Keep Favors, Kanter and Milsap if they all develop anyway.

The Jefferson piece needs to be completely thrown out as he is their one and only center.

When he comes out they play extremely small.

Of course it won't. They would still be paying 60 frigging million dollars on a big men rotation. I do not think that ever happened in the history of basketball. Nevermind, we are talking about a small market team.

LOL at counting Tinsley at their PG rotation. Dude was called from D-League and got all of 35 minutes this year.

Utah will never ever never take on a 20 million dollar per year player whose contract is not insured for no matter what player combination you are offering.

[Thugger HBC]

I give up.

It is a great trade. Utah will enjoy a great starting five of Kanter/Favors/Amare/Jefferson/Millsap
paying them a combined 60 million. And yes. Obviously Balkman can play the backup PG.

As Amare suggests "You gotta start using your brain".

If I took Watson and Balkman out would that satisfy you?

Still doesn't eliminate the fact that Utah has seven guards on their team, three being pg's in Tinsley, Watson and Devin.

Future wise, no way they Keep Favors, Kanter and Milsap if they all develop anyway.

The Jefferson piece needs to be completely thrown out as he is their one and only center.

When he comes out they play extremely small.

Of course it won't. They would still be paying 60 frigging million dollars on a big men rotation. I do not think that ever happened in the history of basketball. Nevermind, we are talking about a small market team.

LOL at counting Tinsley at their PG rotation. Dude was called from D-League and got all of 35 minutes this year.

Utah will never ever never take on a 20 million dollar per year player whose contract is not insured for no matter what player combination you are offering.

Ok.

[KnickswiththeKnack]

Wanting the head of the guy that made New York relevant in the NBA again?

Have some dignity Knicks fans .. smh.

Playing .500 ball is being relevant now?

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Would you rather be in the David Lee/Nate era right now?

iDunk pretty much sums up my feelings. It's not a wonder a lot of players don't wanna come play here. The Knicks must HATE playing in the Garden, I know I would.

[albert]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imov_7XhI7Q[/youtube]

This bump brought to you by another failure to defend the PNR correctly (0:50), a failure help on Bogut after a switch (1:03) and (new!) a Stephon Marbury impression. Uh-oh!

Anyway, new idea: what do you think it'll take for Cleveland to roll the dice on a core of Kyrie Irving + Tristan Thompson + Amare + whoever they draft this year?

Varejao + Jamison

for Amare + Fields + Douglas + Balkman

[SelbyCobra]

I'm bumping this thread because there's no reason to start another thread, and this seems the most appropriate place.

In the discussion of the Knicks current standing of somewhere in the 5th-8th range in the league with regards to defensive efficiency, someone posted this quote from Tyson:

"I love having Jared on my side," Chandler said. "His communication, coming in and out of timeouts, telling me what he's seeing out there. I know he's somebody that I can rely on. Also, I don't have to help as much. When I can key in, like tonight, on Bynum and that's it, I'm going to shut people down. When I get in trouble is when I have to help other people a lot, and I come over and my guy already has the ball in scoring position."

I don't want to turn that other thread into another discussion of Amar'e's shortcomings, so I brought it here. To me this quote, in conjunction with the results we've been seeing from Tyson lately, speaks volumes about the enormous negative impact Amar'e has on the defensive end. The bolded portion is basically describing what it is like playing with Amar'e.

This post has nothing to do with whether or not his jumper will come back, he's heavy, or if he will get some more lift. It has to do with what a massive liability he is defensively, and how that complete ineptitude not only causes a problem with his personal matchup, but it crashes the whole defensive system that Tyson has helped build.

I really hope we start seeing him give consistent effort on the defensive end, because the team defense they've been playing has been the most enjoyable part of this whole Linsanity run for me, and even in the last two games that he's been back, the lapses where Amar'e pulls his typical non-rotation and/or flat footed blow-by on the perimeter stand out like a sore thumb.

[albert]

He's baaack! Our franchise cornerstone, our $100 million dollar player, our pathetic doorman on defense.

This game tonight is representative of the negative effect he's had all season long - empty stats, piss poor defense, and the basketball IQ of a burlap sack.

Friends, I see the complaints in the game thread. The message is beginning to reverberate across the basketball world. More and more have seen the light, and surely more will join the cause.

Make your opinion heard. Take a stand against fake hustle by a player who is now our version of Andray Blatche.

#TRADESTAT

[CrazyKnicks]

He's baaack! Our franchise cornerstone, our $100 million dollar player, our pathetic doorman on defense.

This game tonight is representative of the negative effect he's had all season long - empty stats, piss poor defense, and the basketball IQ of a burlap sack.

Friends, I see the complaints in the game thread. The message is beginning to reverberate across the basketball world. More and more have seen the light, and surely more will join the cause.

Make your opinion heard. Take a stand against fake hustle by a player who is now our version of Andray Blatche.

#TRADESTAT

Starting to agree with you on this.

FIrst step should be to bench him and send a message. Then if nothing changes, we can explore trades.

[Sky_Knicks]

Can someone who is good at sigs make me a creative TRADE STAT sig ? Who is the sig guy around here ?

[nrober4201]

He's baaack! Our franchise cornerstone, our $100 million dollar player, our pathetic doorman on defense.

This game tonight is representative of the negative effect he's had all season long - empty stats, piss poor defense, and the basketball IQ of a burlap sack.

Friends, I see the complaints in the game thread. The message is beginning to reverberate across the basketball world. More and more have seen the light, and surely more will join the cause.

Make your opinion heard. Take a stand against fake hustle by a player who is now our version of Andray Blatche.

#TRADESTAT

Starting to agree with you on this.

FIrst step should be to bench him and send a message. Then if nothing changes, we can explore trades.

bench him for what? it's not his lack of effort

he has no idea how to play defense...