Around the nba part 7

JohnStockton · Post #341 » by **JohnStockton** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 5:36 am

Prince Paul Pierce... lol wtf

Getouttahea22 · Post #342 » by **Getouttahea22** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 5:36 am

Knickstape1214 wrote:what does lin do as well as holiday? just curious...and this is coming from a huge lin and holiday fan.

In my opinion, I think Lin is an as good or better facilitator. Holiday is averaging a LOT of turnovers this season. I'm not sure, but I suspect he's one of the league leaders in turnovers. (I could be wrong though) Holiday also has more assists, but I like Lin's court vision. I think Holiday's assist/turnover ratio is slightly better (bit it's close) but Holiday has more turnovers per 48 minutes.

Lin has shot FTs better than Holiday this season (important for guards who penetrate and draw fouls), while Holiday has the higher 3 pt% (though Lin has been coming on lately from 3).

They both have nice bpg/spg/rpg numbers for guards.

Holiday's scoring/assist per game averages are higher but Lin's minutes are significantly lower.

Their overall FG% are comparable.

In my opinion, they are comparable in a number of categories. Therefore, I think a debate can be had.

knicksnyk · Post #343 » by **knicksnyk** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 5:39 am

Knickstape1214 wrote:what does lin do as well as holiday? just curious...and this is coming from a huge lin and holiday fan.

Lin is a better passer & ball handler (better passing rating & hands rating). He is also a better scorer & more efficient. Lin has the higher TS% & efg%. both of them are just as good at getting to the rim but lin converts at a higher fg%

j4remi wrote:8 Steals...the kid is a natural with the defensive instincts.

rubio is terrific on the defensive end his awareness is top notch. Rubios offense awareness (aside from passing) is a major issue. that is why I said ricky will be a a jose calderon level player (not as good offensively but much better defensively)

JohnStockton · Post #344 » by **JohnStockton** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 5:48 am

Rubio is already better than Calderon. He has a bigger impact on games.

knicksnyk · Post #345 » by **knicksnyk** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 5:51 am

JohnStockton wrote:Rubio is already better than Calderon. He has a bigger impact on games.

Defensively yes offensively hell no

chales_zed · Post #346 » by **chales_zed** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 5:53 am

bfpri wrote:If Lin ever becomes a legit all star, this forum could get ugly, especially if the Knicks are losing.

It's Gallo 2.0, though of course Lin's story is a bit more significant than that. Nonetheless he'll be distant memory in due time.

Rubio is something else, I was a big sceptic of him and thought he was overhyped but he is starting to absolutely ball out of his mind. I wonder if he can get his shots to fall consistently though.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #347 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 6:17 am

Fair enough. Having seen a lot of both (more Lin because I find the Rockets more entertaining to watch), I think Holiday is better. To each is own though.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #348 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 6:18 am

knicksnyk wrote:
JohnStockton wrote:Rubio is already better than Calderon. He has a bigger impact on games.

Defensively yes offensively hell no

He has a better overall impact than Calderon does. I don't think it's really debatable.

CrazyKnicks · Post #349 » by **CrazyKnicks** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 6:23 am

And TKF cries tears of joy

Post #350 » by **moocow007** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 6:44 am

Brooklyn_Yards wrote:@AlexKennedyNBA 1h
Paul Pierce named his newborn son Prince Paul Pierce. That's pretty awesome.

I was half expecting to see that he named his son Jeremy Lin Pierce with what's being discussed right now.

knicksnyk · Post #351 » by **knicksnyk** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 7:04 am

Knickstape1214 wrote:
knicksnyk wrote:
JohnStockton wrote:Rubio is already better than Calderon. He has a bigger impact on games.

Defensively yes offensively hell no

He has a better overall impact than Calderon does. I don't think it's really debatable.

No he doesn't. Offensively he does not.

jose is the better ball handler better passer. less turnover prone has the higher TS% & efg% & you want to tell me that rubio has a greater overall impact? Jose is way more gifted offensively than rubio (rubio will never be as offensively talented as jose). defensively rubio is WAY better than Jose. So therefore there impact is pretty much identical.

LazyLaz · Post #352 » by **LazyLaz** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 8:10 am

NYKMentality85 wrote:Well if Boston holds on and wins with Milwaukee losing tonight, it's looking like the Bucks will have zero chance of catching Boston for the 7th seed. Or at least slim to none moving forward. I actually welcome a Knicks vs. Celtics playoff series with open arms. We'll sweep those guys in 4. If they end up getting lucky we'll end it in 5. A Boston team without Rondo and Allen (Miami) has zero chance of eliminating our Knicks.

I want a celtics vs knicks 1st round

again you are giving ray allen too much credit

Ray Allen this year is not good , hes a bench player for the heat, who hasnt started a game all season , Mike Miller has gotten starts over Ray Allen and has been a better player, Rashard Lewis has gotten starts over Ray Allen, Ray Allen is like Steve Novak now with alittle more game, but worse 3 point shooter, hes like a distant 6th best player on the Heat. Lebron, Wade,Chalmers,Bosh, Battier are all much better

Have you seen Jeff Green this year, hes alot better then Ray Allen this year and what Ray Allen was last year and the year before

Celtics likely top 8 players and playoff rotation - Pierce - KG - Green - Terry - Lee - Bradley - Bass - Crawford

Who are the knicks top 8 players that will play in the playoffs, im assuming Amare wont be available but he might be?

Quick Kick · Post #353 » by **Quick Kick** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 8:25 am

dude its not all about stats. Ray was a KILLER in the 4th. You can throw all those numbers out the window, when the C's had Ray, he was always a giant threat to hit a dagger with the game on the line, and thats what made him a n irreplaceable asset to Boston. Jeff is playing well....in the regular season. He has no playoff experience, though. Or very little, I dont know. You can't even compare Ray's killer instinct to a guy who we know nothing about in regards to playoff basketball.

NYKMentality85 · Post #354 » by **NYKMentality85** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 9:06 am

Ray Allen isn't a bench player. He only comes off the bench. Doesn't change the fact that Ray Allen averages 25.7 minutes per game which ranks 5th on Miami behind Chalmers, Bosh, Wade and LeBron. He's the most important role player Miami features outside of maybe Chalmers.

Boston fans may overlook Ray Allen due to being classless but New York fans know exactly what Ray Allen can do come postseason play. Boston is nothing without Rondo and Ray Allen when compared to 2010-2011. Ray Allen not only beat us with buzzer beating buckets but also averaged 22 points, 4.5 boards, 2.4 assists, 1.2 steals and only 1.1 turnovers per game during our playoff series. He was one of Boston's MVP's of that Knicks vs. Celtics series and if not for Ray Allen? Boston starts that series off 0-2 instead of 2-0. Had a field goal percentage of .574 off 54 shot attempts for crying out loud. A 3PT% of .654 off 26 3 point attempts (made 17 trey's).

Sorry but Jeff Green is no Ray Allen and will never impact postseason games like Ray. Ever. The Boston Celtics without Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen are not a threat to anyone. Say hello to a barely .500 basketball team at 39-36. Struggling with the lowly Milwaukee Bucks of all teams for the 8th seed.

Boston went 8-0 against us back in 10-11 with Rondo, Allen, Pierce and K.G. This year Boston's only gone 1-3 against us. It's because Boston is a shell of what they once were with both Rondo and Allen.

Bran Fast Hands · Post #355 » by **Bran Fast Hands** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 9:44 am

Crazyknicks wrote:

And TKF cries tears of joy

What is that the bench are doing?

Falstaffxx · Post #356 » by **Falstaffxx** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 11:31 am

Terrence Jones had 14/12?

Falstaffxx · Post #357 » by **Falstaffxx** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 11:34 am

chales_zed wrote:
bfpri wrote:If Lin ever becomes a legit all star, this forum could get ugly, especially if the Knicks are losing.

It's Gallo 2.0, though of course Lin's story is a bit more significant than that. Nonetheless he'll be distant memory in due time.

Rubio is something else, I was a big sceptic of him and thought he was overhyped but he is starting to absolutely ball out of his mind. I wonder if he can get his shots to fall consistently though.

I think Lin will be significant for a long time to those of us who appreciate what he did as a Knick. It was a truly special run at a time when the franchise was at a low point.

Rasho Brezec · Post #358 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 12:22 pm

Bran Fast Hands wrote:Brilliant play by Chandler Parsons.

You. I like you.

Rasho Brezec · Post #359 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 12:28 pm

Getouttahea22 wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:what does lin do as well as holiday? just curious...and this is coming from a huge lin and holiday fan.

In my opinion, I think Lin is an as good or better facilitator. Holiday is averaging a LOT of turnovers this season. I'm not sure, but I suspect he's one of the league leaders in turnovers. (I could be wrong though) Holiday also has more assists, but I like Lin's court vision. I think Holiday's assist/turnover ratio is slightly better (bit it's close) but Holiday has more turnovers per 48 minutes.

Lin has shot FTs better than Holiday this season (important for guards who penetrate and draw fouls), while Holiday has the higher 3 pt% (though Lin has been coming on lately from 3).

They both have nice bpg/spg/rpg numbers for guards.

Holiday's scoring/assist per game averages are higher but Lin's minutes are significantly lower.

Their overall FG% are comparable.

In my opinion, they are comparable in a number of categories. Therefore, I think a debate can be had.

Holiday has a better assist rate AND turnover rate.

Rasho Brezec · Post #360 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 12:29 pm

knicksnyk wrote:
JohnStockton wrote:Rubio is already better than Calderon. He has a bigger impact on games.

Defensively yes offensively hell no

Calderon's offensive game is nothing special, don't let his good shooting numbers and A:TO ratio fool you. He dribbles the ball for 20 seconds before making the safest pass possible. He's a backup PG with no creativity.