Draftexpress drops Mudiay down to pick #6 today

[mpharris36]

you're gonna have to pay someone to get rid of jose in your scenario

I would think of a trade down scenario with that play. Because we wouldn't need Mudiay with Wade on board.

Someone just mentioned this move on the trade board and it would make sense in this scenario

DEN gets Calderon, Burke, and 4
NYK gets 7 and 12
UTA gets Lawson

In this scenario the knicks would drop Jose's 7.4 million and the 3.44 million of the 4th overall pick. They would take on the rookie cap holds of 7 and 12 which add up to 4.44. So the knicks would be clearing about 6 million in salaries (adding another roster cap hold 500k or so).

So if the knicks were starting with 27 million in cap space before the deal. The knicks would now have approx 33 million.

Which would be enough to give Wade a starting salary right around 15 million. Then you would have a max spot available for one of the bigs.

You would also have 2 really good lottery 1st rounders (7 and 12) to improve your team as well.

We would be in a really nice position.

[Iron Mantis]

I know this is going to sound incredibly silly. But the knicks need a high flier at the 2 that gets a lot of highlight reel dunks and finishes. Exciting players like that get a lot of exposure and TV time. ESPN shoves them down your throat all day long. That makes more fans want to watch that players team. More televised games brings more positive exposure. The way the game is played today,... big athletes are at an advantage because all they have to do is get near the rim and jump. Guys like that also control the crowd and that influences teammates, and like it or not,.. the refs. Its the stuff manufactured stars are made of. I have always felt that one of the reasons carmelo does not get as much love (and calls) as others is because he is a more grounded player.

So you want Hezonja?

Yeah he literally just described Hezonja to a tee.

Shump used to get near the rim and jump all the time....we see how that panned out.

[BeagleBoss]

Saw all Mudiay games and he just didn't win me over. He's too average and does nothing special and I don't see a future star at all. He doesn't have that Westbrook/Wall athleticism, he had issues finishing in the paint against CBA bigs, too many careless turnovers and meh courtvision and he just didn't stand out in a awful league. I don't think Winslow will be a star either but he'll be the better pro.

Being 4th stinks.

He doesn't have Westbrook/Wall LEAPING ability, but he is on par in terms of lateral quickness and cutting/shifting. His handle and elusiveness are special, for his age, and he has the physical make-up to be no worse than average at most other aspects of the game.

Strongly disagree. The handle, courtvision and penetrating ability was very average. If Mudiay was special or elite, he would have dominated an awful league and he didn't. Will Bynum played better. That should tell you everything.

[Iron Mantis]

Saw all Mudiay games and he just didn't win me over. He's too average and does nothing special and I don't see a future star at all. He doesn't have that Westbrook/Wall athleticism, he had issues finishing in the paint against CBA bigs, too many careless turnovers and meh courtvision and he just didn't stand out in a awful league. I don't think Winslow will be a star either but he'll be the better pro.

Being 4th stinks.

The kid was just 18yo and was doing of all of that among grown men. What makes you think he will not get even BETTER?

I hate that dumb term, "grown men." Those "grown men" were awful AWFUL players.

Of course Mudiay can get better. So can everyone else!

those grown men are much bigger and stronger than a typical top 4 prospect teenage guard, so it's not like he's bad because he sometimes has trouble finishing at the rim among them.

[GONYK]

Saw all Mudiay games and he just didn't win me over. He's too average and does nothing special and I don't see a future star at all. He doesn't have that Westbrook/Wall athleticism, he had issues finishing in the paint against CBA bigs, too many careless turnovers and meh courtvision and he just didn't stand out in a awful league. I don't think Winslow will be a star either but he'll be the better pro.

Being 4th stinks.

He doesn't have Westbrook/Wall LEAPING ability, but he is on par in terms of lateral quickness and cutting/shifting. His handle and elusiveness are special, for his age, and he has the physical make-up to be no worse than average at most other aspects of the game.

Strongly disagree. The handle, courtvision and penetrating ability was very average. If Mudiay was special or elite, he would have dominated an awful league and he didn't. Will Bynum played better. That should tell you everything.

At some point, it has to be acknowledged that the CBA is better than the NCAA.

Will Bynum is a 32 yr old vet. Mudiay just came from HS. The fact that their numbers are comparable is extremely impressive for Mudiay.

If you are comparing a 32 yr old to a 19 yr old, the 19 yr old is better.

[BeagleBoss]

He doesn't have Westbrook/Wall LEAPING ability, but he is on par in terms of lateral quickness and cutting/shifting. His handle and elusiveness are special, for his age, and he has the physical make-up to be no worse than average at most other aspects of the game.

Strongly disagree. The handle, courtvision and penetrating ability was very average. If Mudiay was special or elite, he would have dominated an awful league and he didn't. Will Bynum played better. That should tell you everything.

Will Bynum is a 32 yr old vet. Mudiay just came from HS. The fact that their numbers are comparable is extremely impressive for Mudiay.

If you are comparing a 32 yr old to a 19 yr old, the 19 yr old is better.

A 18 year old stud can't miss prospect should be a lot better than a career journey men backup PG.

[GONYK]

Strongly disagree. The handle, courtvision and penetrating ability was very average. If Mudiay was special or elite, he would have dominated an awful league and he didn't. Will Bynum played better. That should tell you everything.

Will Bynum is a 32 yr old vet. Mudiay just came from HS. The fact that their numbers are comparable is extremely impressive for Mudiay.

If you are comparing a 32 yr old to a 19 yr old, the 19 yr old is better.

A 18 year old stud can't miss prospect should be a lot better than a career journey men backup PG.

One has been a pro for 10 yrs, the other is fresh out of HS. They put up almost identical numbers, in a small sample size.

The CBA is better than the NCAA. If Mudiay put up those exact numbers (18/6/6) at SMU, his stock would not be questioned.

[BeagleBoss]

He doesn't have Westbrook/Wall LEAPING ability, but he is on par in terms of lateral quickness and cutting/shifting. His handle and elusiveness are special, for his age, and he has the physical make-up to be no worse than average at most other aspects of the game.

Strongly disagree. The handle, courtvision and penetrating ability was very average. If Mudiay was special or elite, he would have dominated an awful league and he didn't. Will Bynum played better. That should tell you everything.

At some point, it has to be acknowledged that the CBA is better than the NCAA.

Will Bynum is a 32 yr old vet. Mudiay just came from HS. The fact that their numbers are comparable is extremely impressive for Mudiay.

If you are comparing a 32 yr old to a 19 yr old, the 19 yr old is better.

Kentucky would be win every game by 50 if they played in the CBA. So would every top 25 and NIT invite team. Go watch some CBA games. That league is a joke! Randolph Morris looks like Duncan over there. 99% of the players wouldn't even make a NBDL roster here.

[GONYK]

Strongly disagree. The handle, courtvision and penetrating ability was very average. If Mudiay was special or elite, he would have dominated an awful league and he didn't. Will Bynum played better. That should tell you everything.

At some point, it has to be acknowledged that the CBA is better than the NCAA.

Will Bynum is a 32 yr old vet. Mudiay just came from HS. The fact that their numbers are comparable is extremely impressive for Mudiay.

If you are comparing a 32 yr old to a 19 yr old, the 19 yr old is better.

Kentucky would be win every game by 50 if they played in the CBA. So would every top 25 and NIT invite team. Go watch some CBA games. That league is a joke! Randolph Morris looks like Duncan over there. 99% of the players wouldn't even make a NBDL roster here.

99% of NCAA players don't make an NBDL roster either

[god4gives]

Doesn't matter who we pick, Phil will get killed on the boards anyway and we'll cry about... Whatever.

IF Jackson cares about fan reactions.

I'm glad he doesn't seem to care. Those 90-95% Knick fans are spoiled brats. If they get what they want, they cry about that player not living up to expectations and are ready to get rid of them. It seems like it is best to go after prospects Knick fans don't like and sleep on because when that player plays better than expected, they start crying and saying that we should've drafted him.

[BeagleBoss]

Will Bynum is a 32 yr old vet. Mudiay just came from HS. The fact that their numbers are comparable is extremely impressive for Mudiay.

If you are comparing a 32 yr old to a 19 yr old, the 19 yr old is better.

A 18 year old stud can't miss prospect should be a lot better than a career journey men backup PG.

One has been a pro for 10 yrs, the other is fresh out of HS. They put up almost identical numbers, in a small sample size.

The CBA is better than the NCAA. If Mudiay put up those exact numbers (18/6/6) at SMU, his stock would not be questioned.

Wow you have to be joking. Von Wafer, Willie Warren and Errick McCollum are the best players in that league.

And if Mudiay played at SMU, he'd be a late lotto at best imo like Myles Turner. He's a top 5 pick because his highschool career was outstanding.

[BeagleBoss]

A 18 year old stud can't miss prospect should be a lot better than a career journey men backup PG.

One has been a pro for 10 yrs, the other is fresh out of HS. They put up almost identical numbers, in a small sample size.

The CBA is better than the NCAA. If Mudiay put up those exact numbers (18/6/6) at SMU, his stock would not be questioned.

Wow you have to be joking. Scrubs like Von Wafer, Willie Warren and Errick McCollum are the best players in that league.

And if Mudiay played at SMU, he'd be a late lotto at best imo like Myles Turner. He's a top 5 pick because his highschool career was outstanding.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

A 18 year old stud can't miss prospect should be a lot better than a career journey men backup PG.

Not really. Players can, and often do improve dramatically after age 19. Westbrook is SEVEN YEARS OLDER than Mudiay and STILL rapidly improving.

[god shammgod]

every single basketball expert will tell you the cba is tougher competition then then ncaa. there's not even a question.

will bynum got more then a mill in china this year. how many kids in the ncaa who can't make the nba would turn that down. truth is very few could play there so it's not offered to them.

[GONYK]

A 18 year old stud can't miss prospect should be a lot better than a career journey men backup PG.

One has been a pro for 10 yrs, the other is fresh out of HS. They put up almost identical numbers, in a small sample size.

The CBA is better than the NCAA. If Mudiay put up those exact numbers (18/6/6) at SMU, his stock would not be questioned.

Wow you have to be joking. Von Wafer, Willie Warren and Errick McCollum are the best players in that league.

And if Mudiay played at SMU, he'd be a late lotto at best imo like Myles Turner. He's a top 5 pick because his highschool career was outstanding.

There are 4,511 NCAA players. 3 players don't invalidate that the NCAA has all the talent concentrated basically on 5 teams, and everyone else is fringe-no chance at pro careers. The CBA is better competition without a doubt.

Mudiay would have dominated that weak American conference that SMU plays in and probably would have had at least as productive of a tourney as Russell did.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

You cannot compare a 30-year vet with a 19-year old prospect. At #4 we're drafting for POTENTIAL. If the draft was about rewarding prospects for past performance, Shane Battier would have been a #1 pick.

[K_ick_God]

If you ask me, John Wall didn't play well or look ready for the NBA until last year. Before his rookie year, I don't think he'd have done much in China, certainly not the domination BeagleBoss is looking for to confirm he's a great prospect.

[Fury]

If you ask me, John Wall didn't play well or look ready for the NBA until last year. Before his rookie year, I don't think he'd have done much in China, certainly not the domination BeagleBoss is looking for to confirm he's a great prospect.

John Wall didn't look ready for the NBA till last year? I agree with the larger point, but bruh

[Iron Mantis]

Saw all Mudiay games and he just didn't win me over. He's too average and does nothing special and I don't see a future star at all. He doesn't have that Westbrook/Wall athleticism, he had issues finishing in the paint against CBA bigs, too many careless turnovers and meh courtvision and he just didn't stand out in a awful league. I don't think Winslow will be a star either but he'll be the better pro.

Being 4th stinks.

He doesn't have Westbrook/Wall LEAPING ability, but he is on par in terms of lateral quickness and cutting/shifting. His handle and elusiveness are special, for his age, and he has the physical make-up to be no worse than average at most other aspects of the game.

Strongly disagree. The handle, courtvision and penetrating ability was very average. If Mudiay was special or elite, he would have dominated an awful league and he didn't. Will Bynum played better. That should tell you everything.

Will Bynum is 32, and put up those numbers in China at that age....Mudiay was 18 playing in China.......Mudiay will only get BETTER. Look at Mudiay's rebounding for a PG . When he blossoms, he will be a triple double threat any given night.

Mudiay

Bynum

[Fury]

A 18 year old stud can't miss prospect should be a lot better than a career journey men backup PG.

One has been a pro for 10 yrs, the other is fresh out of HS. They put up almost identical numbers, in a small sample size.

The CBA is better than the NCAA. If Mudiay put up those exact numbers (18/6/6) at SMU, his stock would not be questioned.

Wow you have to be joking. Von Wafer, Willie Warren and Errick McCollum are the best players in that league.

And if Mudiay played at SMU, he'd be a late lotto at best imo like Myles Turner. He's a top 5 pick because his highschool career was outstanding.

Those guys are grown men. A team of NBA scrubs would beat the **** out of the best NCAA teams.