PG Thread: Making The Knicks Great Again

[OnTheWagon]

actually I responded to your post at the level of insight that your post provided

Lance Thomas is literally the best defender on this team. This is a FACT

see?

His defense has been fine. Its the teams defense that has been terrible. Noah is one of the best defenders in the league and he's been average. Lee has been pretty good and he's simply an excellent defender.

Lance has never been a great offensive player
his shot not falling isn't something shocking

While I'm not a big fan of Lance, the amount of scapegoating that has been put on him is insane. Things like guys being unsure where to direct their man, where their help is or whether they should help/stay/switch are dependent on familiarity and practice. Having a good coach helps too, but it's certainly not all on them.

When you watch a team like the Spurs, as soon as someone gets beat (whether on a pump fake, drive, etc..) there is an immediate response by the 4 other guys that buy the beaten man time to get back into the play. They all move in concert together. It's not always perfect, but in my opinion there is FAR too much emphasis being put on individual guys.

I just finished watching the Nets game.

Don't they have a bunch of new guys too?

Their defense looks more cohesive than the Knicks. It just stood out. Not that they are individually better defenders, but all their defenders are more decisive in their actions. Their defense also tries to dictate the other team possession at times instead of reacting.

I can't single out one play, just that the thought came to me while watching and it seemed pretty self evident.

Sounds weird, but guys without much natural talent who fight to stay in the NBA generally have better IQ and drive in order to even make their teams. In my opinion, stars have to be convinced a lot more to play within their defensive schemes. This usually manifests with guys trying too hard to make steals and blocks as opposed to position defense. Even things like trying too hard to get offensive rebounds without getting back hurts.

[NoLayupRule]

Are you that sensitive? I mean seriously? I told you that I thought you were seeing something else and you offered nothing in return but a childish response.

actually I responded to your post at the level of insight that your post provided

Lance Thomas is literally the best defender on this team. This is a FACT

see?

His defense has been fine. Its the teams defense that has been terrible. Noah is one of the best defenders in the league and he's been average. Lee has been pretty good and he's simply an excellent defender.

Lance has never been a great offensive player
his shot not falling isn't something shocking

While I'm not a big fan of Lance, the amount of scapegoating that has been put on him is insane. Things like guys being unsure where to direct their man, where their help is or whether they should help/stay/switch are dependent on familiarity and practice. Having a good coach helps too, but it's certainly not all on them.

When you watch a team like the Spurs, as soon as someone gets beat (whether on a pump fake, drive, etc..) there is an immediate response by the 4 other guys that buy the beaten man time to get back into the play. They all move in concert together. It's not always perfect, but in my opinion there is FAR too much emphasis being put on individual guys.

very very well said

[NoLayupRule]

actually I responded to your post at the level of insight that your post provided

Lance Thomas is literally the best defender on this team. This is a FACT

see?

His defense has been fine. Its the teams defense that has been terrible. Noah is one of the best defenders in the league and he's been average. Lee has been pretty good and he's simply an excellent defender.

Lance has never been a great offensive player
his shot not falling isn't something shocking

While I'm not a big fan of Lance, the amount of scapegoating that has been put on him is insane. Things like guys being unsure where to direct their man, where their help is or whether they should help/stay/switch are dependent on familiarity and practice. Having a good coach helps too, but it's certainly not all on them.

When you watch a team like the Spurs, as soon as someone gets beat (whether on a pump fake, drive, etc..) there is an immediate response by the 4 other guys that buy the beaten man time to get back into the play. They all move in concert together. It's not always perfect, but in my opinion there is FAR too much emphasis being put on individual guys.

I just finished watching the Nets game.

Don't they have a bunch of new guys too?

Their defense looks more cohesive than the Knicks. It just stood out. Not that they are individually better defenders, but all their defenders are more decisive in their actions. Their defense also tries to dictate the other team possession at times instead of reacting.

I can't single out one play, just that the thought came to me while watching and it seemed pretty self evident.

its a good point

the nets have a team built on scrappy players who give total effort because thats the only way they can stay in the game

I guess its human nature to emphasize one aspect over another in ones life because its so rare to see a player with offensive talent playing like a scrappy young guy on D

[NoLayupRule]

While I'm not a big fan of Lance, the amount of scapegoating that has been put on him is insane. Things like guys being unsure where to direct their man, where their help is or whether they should help/stay/switch are dependent on familiarity and practice. Having a good coach helps too, but it's certainly not all on them.

When you watch a team like the Spurs, as soon as someone gets beat (whether on a pump fake, drive, etc..) there is an immediate response by the 4 other guys that buy the beaten man time to get back into the play. They all move in concert together. It's not always perfect, but in my opinion there is FAR too much emphasis being put on individual guys.

I just finished watching the Nets game.

Don't they have a bunch of new guys too?

Their defense looks more cohesive than the Knicks. It just stood out. Not that they are individually better defenders, but all their defenders are more decisive in their actions. Their defense also tries to dictate the other team possession at times instead of reacting.

I can't single out one play, just that the thought came to me while watching and it seemed pretty self evident.

Sounds weird, but guys without much natural talent who fight to stay in the NBA generally have better IQ and drive in order to even make their teams. In my opinion, stars have to be convinced a lot more to play within their defensive schemes. This usually manifests with guys trying too hard to make steals and blocks as opposed to position defense. Even things like trying too hard to get offensive rebounds without getting back hurts.

yeah, thats what I was getting at in my post too

I think its because they have dominated at every level before the NBA and learned to emphasize that aspect of their game

Amare is an excellent example
If he hadn't been such a phenom and able to dominate offensively he might have bothered to learn or apply himself on defense but he never had to and D'Anotni only made that worse

[mrcalzone]

Thing that bothers me most about Lance Thomas is his "LONG TWOS" approach. He basically is attempting 3 pointers with his foot on the line every single time. So he is taking the longest most inefficient 2 point shot you can take.

[thebuzzardman]

Thing that bothers me most about Lance Thomas is his "LONG TWOS" approach. He basically is attempting 3 pointers with his foot on the line every single time. So he is taking the longest most inefficient 2 point shot you can take.

Agreed, though at least for those shots he's set. I hate the contested jumpers and all balance floaters in the lane where he fancies himself some kind of go-to option.

[boomann21]

The Knicks were almost beat by the Sherminator, but the Euros came to the rescue. They need an all-Euro lineup.

Brandon Jennings- Italy by way of Cali
Sasha Vujacic- Slovenia
Mindaugas Kuzminskas- Lithuania
Kristaps Porzingis- Latvia
Willy Hernagomez- Spain

They were all on the court when we started running the Nets out of the gym. I want to see this lineup a few times a game while the two rookie Euros improve their defense and get accustomed to the US style of play.

[reub]

The Knicks were almost beat by the Sherminator, but the Euros came to the rescue. They need an all-Euro lineup.

Brandon Jennings- Italy by way of Cali
Sasha Vujacic- Slovenia
Mindaugas Kuzminskas- Lithuania
Kristaps Porzingis- Latvia
Willy Hernagomez- Spain

They were all on the court when we started running the Nets out of the gym. I want to see this lineup a few times a game while the two rookie Euros improve their defense and get accustomed the US style of play.

In keeping with the title of this thread I can see the virtues of legal immigration here.