Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Lonzo ball and kp is gonna be the best duo in the east for years to come.

[blueNorange]

rivers is garbage, redick is way better than him.

[AmazingJason]

At All cost you maximize the value .Picks 4 years from now is no good to me.You also not getting a couple of firsts for him. You Trade a player of Melo caliber and that asset should benefit you in the short term.

we are not building in the "short" term if we deal melo. This is not a future team. You don't trade away your best player to try to get better in the short term.

This obviously is turning into a KP's the man and we are going to build around his window which is the next couple of season until we are probably good.

I'm not trying to get short term players. We need to have a longer view. Down the road. The type of deal like the celtics which is reaping the rewards 3-4 years down the road.

Also if we got Blake or Love somehow they should be traded as well. Neither is as good as melo is in the short term and all the would be doing is keeping us status quo. If you get love or blake you move them for future picks.

But a 2021 pick doesn't develop until the year 2023-2024. That is still 7 years from today. That makes the rebuild 3 years longer.

Those picks can also end up being future assets, though.

Honestly, I'm not as concerned. If KP stays healthy and gets stronger, we have a future two-way All-NBA C. We get a future top-flight primary ball-handler out of the upcoming draft, and we can worry about everything else later.

[shtolky]

those LAC picks are too far away...they'd be most valuable to me as trade chips for a disgruntled star or star about to leave their team in FA, and that's only if the Clips end up being that bad that they become premium picks

Tell that to the Celtic fans who are about to add three top 5 lottery picks in as many years due to the Pierce/Garnett trade. Patience is a virtue.

[mpharris36]

If you're willing to wait 4 years for an asset to pay off, then so be it. The time that rookie develops it'll be 2023

but they become assets. The type of assets that might land you a future Jimmy Butler in a trade.

You see what I'm saying its not about the picks its about the future asset. Yes the pick maybe 2020. But if we are good in 2019 with KP and say Fultz or Ball. Maybe we use that pick to trade for a wing player that puts us over the top with that pick.

Trading an older asset for a future asset is always good when you are rebuilding.

Ok, this I understand. Although, I don't see the asset becoming valuable for another 2 years + the Clipps might be good still This isn't like the Nets where everyone knew they'd dropoff in 2 years.

yeah but the knicks aren't going to be good in 2 years anyway. KP will still be 23 and our young guard hopefully will be 20. That still really early for them to start winning. Of course you ask for Blake or Love. But whats the alternative if they say no?

Keep melo..he's not young and he has a NTC so its not like his value will go up. His value is what his value is. The question is how bad the knicks want to hit reset here. I think that is a resounding yes.

[DOT]

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You always start off by asking for more than you want, that's negotiating 101
Also Chris Broussard is a hack

[shtolky]

Lonzo ball and kp is gonna be the best duo in the east for years to come.

And then with the Clippers 2021 lottery pick we can draft LaMelo Ball...Ball Bros. + KP = Championship.

[iAdoreeKnicks]

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[Jay10]

I hope they keep Reddick. Taking on Rivers should net us more assets or better assets back. Which should be the only motivation for this team in a Melo deal.

Just don't trust PJax to think that way

No way he trades his son with CP3 out 2 months. No way in hell.

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[Mecca]

but they become assets. The type of assets that might land you a future Jimmy Butler in a trade.

You see what I'm saying its not about the picks its about the future asset. Yes the pick maybe 2020. But if we are good in 2019 with KP and say Fultz or Ball. Maybe we use that pick to trade for a wing player that puts us over the top with that pick.

Trading an older asset for a future asset is always good when you are rebuilding.

Ok, this I understand. Although, I don't see the asset becoming valuable for another 2 years + the Clipps might be good still This isn't like the Nets where everyone knew they'd dropoff in 2 years.

yeah but the knicks aren't going to be good in 2 years anyway. KP will still be 23 and our young guard hopefully will be 20. That still really early for them to start winning. Of course you ask for Blake or Love. But whats the alternative if they say no?

Keep melo..he's not young and he has a NTC so its not like his value will go up. His value is what his value is. The question is how bad the knicks want to hit reset here. I think that is a resounding yes.

I'd rather have Boston's 2018 picks. That's quicker capital. If we have to trade with the Clippers, I'd take the 2020-2021 picks and try to pry away Austin Rivers

[F N 11]

dream scenarios

-Trade Rose, Melo, Lee, and KOQ for young guys and picks expirings.
-End up with the Nets pick
- Kp end the season on a tear but we lack talent and end up with top 3 pick.
-Draft Jackson and Ball or Jackson and Fultz depending on position.

[DOT]

rivers is garbage, redick is way better than him.

I mean, nobody we get would be part of the long term plan, probably expect them to be shipped to contenders for assets

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[Mecca]

I hope they keep Reddick. Taking on Rivers should net us more assets or better assets back. Which should be the only motivation for this team in a Melo deal.

Just don't trust PJax to think that way

No way he trades his son with CP3 out 2 months. No way in hell.

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Not saying we don't want him. I'm saying Doc will make him untradeable.

[NYKAL]

Who gives a f***?

plenty of folk but, thanks for you insightful post. You've dazzled me with your analysis of the situation.

Well, here's the thing. Neither you nor I know what goes through KP's head, and given only a year and a half of data, combined with him idolizing Melo growing up, it's natural that he would defer to Melo as the primary option on the team. Combine that with him not being able to reliably create his own shot, and we see why he's second. Finally, we have a few games where KP played without Melo, and he did just fine as the first option, but the rest of the team around him was nowhere near good enough for him to win.
Ergo, only time will tell if KP has the fire and assertiveness.

Better?

we got our ass handed to us every time Melo missed a game and it became painfully aparant that this team has no chance of winning without him. He had a few decent games without Melo but, not great and showed he can't carry us as a number 1. So, you guys want to get rid of the one guy that gives us a chance.

Its not Melo's fault the team went away from the ball movement, the passing and cutting that works well early on. Until that time, this board was far from divided. That's when the nosedive began and it's not on Melo. When he iso's, he'll pass as its was mentioned early in this thread but, guys stopped moving and cutting and just started watching him. That's on the coaching staff.

[F N 11]

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If true, have to love the direction the team is going in.

[HEZI]

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Good

[Jay10]

dream scenarios

-Trade Rose, Melo, Lee, and KOQ for young guys and picks expirings.
-End up with the Nets pick
- Kp end the season on a tear but we lack talent and end up with top 3 pick.
-Draft Jackson and Ball or Jackson and Fultz depending on position.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

those LAC picks are too far away...they'd be most valuable to me as trade chips for a disgruntled star or star about to leave their team in FA, and that's only if the Clips end up being that bad that they become premium picks

Tell that to the Celtic fans who are about to add three top 5 lottery picks in as many years due to the Pierce/Garnett trade. Patience is a virtue.

different situations...the Celtics didn't have a young player like KP already on their roster

KP will be very close to his prime by the time those picks come around, I'm looking to win games at that point and not waste away his prime years, not develop rookies...like I said earlier, they'd be most valuable to me as trade chips for a win now piece

[Mecca]

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Lets stop using that spalding head as a reliable source please.