Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough

[Jeff Van Gully]

Definitely not a risk-less move, but like I've said before, I still give KD the max. I think they could rebuild with KD. If there's no KD, I'm hearing names like Randle, Cousins, Rozier,

It would be a 4 year contract. Knicks can still rebuild with him on the squad, imo. And there's also the chance we get another amnesty clause after the new CBA. So if things really get bad (like Eddy Curry bad and Durant will never play again), Knicks could amnesty him.

every move has some level of risk...we have all our draft picks so we can mitigate some of that risk if he never comes back to full health to continue to develop and build the youth. Thats why I'm still taking that risk.

Yup what else are you going to spend that money on NOW that would net the return KD will if things work out? And lets face it no matter who you spend the money on, in this class, all of the guys will be on a downward trajectory towards the end of the deal except for maybe Tobias/D'Lo/Randle but all those guys come with the concern that they won't be worth the big money in the first place.

I initially was hesitant on signing KD after the achilles thing but it just makes sense to do it and hope because the alternatives probably don't have the same upside and the downside is mostly mitigated by how our team structure is currently set.

well said

[mpharris36]

i think the question is do the knicks really want Kyrie...thats another year on his knees and he wont be a spry chicken...maybe with KD out they reconsidered not wanting to commit to Kyrie because of his longevity concerns...

I think the Knicks want Kyrie*





*if KD wants him and Kawhi has no interest

yeah thats fair...if The KD/Kyrie pair happen do you think there will be other roster moves now that were assumed KD was healthy...or do you think the injury changes things?

[El Poochio]

People remember Kanter saying in season it will blow your mind if you knew who is coming to Knicks? And he said KD not coming to Knicks now..

[Trav_NYK]

this weekend bouta be stressful!!!

[BeagleBoss]

KD won those titles with Curry, Klay and Draymond. An average/good starter like Harrison Barnes did it too. KDs accomplishments in GSW were very weak tbh.

So we’re at KD is no better than Harrison Barnes now?

Barnes 2015 Finals: 8.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.8 apg on .373 shooting
Barnes 2016 Finals: 9.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.4 apg on .352 shooting

KD 2017 Finals: 35.2 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 5.4 apg on .556 shooting (Finals MVP)
KD 2018 Finals: 28.8 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 7.5 apg on .526 shooting (Finals MVP)

Not a great comparison.

I wasn't comparing KD to Barnes level of play. Of course KD is 100x better. I meant that KD winning with Curry, Klay and Drymond isn't this great accomplishment when an inferior player at that position was able to do it too.

[SelbyCobra]

If Kawhi goes to the Lakers:

If Kyrie doesn't sign with the Nets:

"In the end the Nets decided as an organization that Kyrie - with his injury history, play style, and personality - wasn't compatible with the infrastructure they've established in Brooklyn, and they backed away from the table."

[2010]

I think we'll get a meeting with Kawhi

We will. Don’t get swayed by dudes who are paid to manufacture news on a daily basis to generate ratings to justify their salary.

My word is bond.

I'm not sure why the Lakers and Clippers going before us is seen as a positive for them.

Toronto went out of their way to make sure they were the last pitch.

Wouldn't it make sense that the Knicks want to go as close to last as possible then? Certainly after the Lakers and Clippers have blown their powder?

Exactly. Also gives Knicks opportunity to see if they can secure KD with a verbal commitment heading into their meeting with Kawhi...a meeting that WILL happen.

I am unbothered. I read through at points during the day and just chuckle at the emotional roller coaster some of our fellow posters are letting the national media put them on.

And I really don’t need to refute things daily cuz my line has been consistent and never wavered.

Yet dudes here are being told conflicting reports from talking media heads who cite sources, strongly word their statements, then outright debunk their own initial reportings days later. All in the name of clicks and ratings. And these people here believe them and stand by them. They post their conflicting inconsistent reports and faithfully share them.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Folks are pointing to Kobe's situation as a reason to be worried about Durant's injury, and for good reason. But it's also worth noting that Kobe was older when his injury occurred. Durant won't be that age until 2023, which would be after a potential 4-year contract is finished.

[cooch2584]

A question, what about Nikola Vucevic?? Hes UFA. Opinions??

[Reign23]

Knox and DSJ for Covington and a future first
D-Lo and Tobias for their max or close to it

D-Lo / Frank
RJ /Dot
Covington/ ZO
Tobias
Mitch


lot of upside and nice offense/defense mix.

[dakomish23]

Plenty of players have odd form to their shooting and are good/great shooters though. I don't see how anyone can watch videos of DSJ or any player and say he has some kind of glitch in his form or release or whatever so he won't be able to shoot at a good percentage. Players do what feels comfortable to them and can make it work for them and some most likely do have to fix whatever that glitch is in their form to become good shooters. A lot of it is more about these guys having confidence in their shot when they release it and being right mentally.

I'm good with giving DSJ this year to see if he can fix his shot and i've been one of the biggest people that isn't a DSJ fan.

Good mechanics are easy to point out. No, not everyone has to shoot the same shoot the same way, but you can see all the issues all the way through. Even guys who start off on the other side of their body look good once they release.

Chill with the tacking on assumptions based on an observation. Where did I say "whatever so he won't be able to shoot at a good percentage."??

THJ had hella confidence in his shot. He still looked like this guy a whole lot.

So you do think he can shoot at a good percentage without fixing all these glitches you and our other shooting coaches see with him? I'm confused then cause it seems like you're saying he has to fix these issues that you see for him to be able to shoot at a good percentage but now you're saying you don't think that?

Somebody can randomly have one game with they somehow knocked down a few 3's, and never take any other wise. That would give them a good percentage.

You want high volume on good efficiency? Fix the mechanics.

[GONYK]

i think the question is do the knicks really want Kyrie...thats another year on his knees and he wont be a spry chicken...maybe with KD out they reconsidered not wanting to commit to Kyrie because of his longevity concerns...

I think the Knicks want Kyrie*





*if KD wants him and Kawhi has no interest

yeah thats fair...if The KD/Kyrie pair happen do you think there will be other roster moves now that were assumed KD was healthy...or do you think the injury changes things?

Very interesting question. Personally, I wouldn't make too many moves, but I do think they would want to give Kyrie some support in the short term.

So I would expect to see one more move to add another vet if we land KD and Kyrie.

[BeagleBoss]

a sobering account from another doc

https://nypost.com/2019/06/27/achilles-injury-return-stat-that-should-give-kevin-durant-suitors-pause/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

I get laughed at but KD will be somewhere between Joe Ingles and Tobias Harris. I hope I'm wrong if he comes here but this is where I'm betting money on.

Well you're predicting what a player who's a top 3 player in the NBA will be as a player in a year or two from now and you're doing it with a straight face. You don't think that's just a little bit ridiculous? We all know how serious of a injury it is and we all know players don't come back the same but we don't really have the best examples to go off of for players as good as KD and that are 30 years old. We have examples of how great players that were in their mid 30's when they had the injury came back and we have examples of mediocre players that were never good or great and just decent players came back from this injury. But do we have any examples of a player like Kevin Durant and how they came back from this type of injury? We don't would be the answer. So how are you gonna predict he'll be somewhere between a Joe Ingles and Tobias Harris type talent in a couple of years and not expect to get laughed at?

All fair points but we do know for a fact that this injury will effect and diminish KDs level of play to some degree. The basketball talent and skill will always be there until father time catches up to him, however the physical skill will be diminished dramatically with this injury and he's getting to that age where players naturally start to lose it. A torn achilles will diminish his speed, quickness and hops. Of course we're all guessing as to what degree but in my opinion based on his age and style of play, it will decrease him into a much slower version of himself.

[F N 11]

Hahn

"More food for thought: Remember the days before the Melo trade went down. Remember the coverage and the perception and the leverage plays. That's all I'm gonna say."

Uhm

He's been talking chit. We getting 2 max cats.

[robillionaire]

Folks are pointing to Kobe's situation as a reason to be worried about Durant's injury, and for good reason. But it's also worth noting that Kobe was older when his injury occurred. Durant won't be that age until 2023, which would be after a potential 4-year contract is finished.

The fact he's not even going to play in the first year and probably load management year 2 makes me more comfortable with the whole thing, because we can continue the rebuild and he can be a mentor the kids. Best we can hope is he is still pretty good and we try to contend the last 2 years of his contract, worse case scenario he's totally washed the last 2 years but I still feel like we have the flexibility to get out of that situation without doing too much damage

[thebuzzardman]

I'm not sure if this is true, but they said on Duncd On that if HOU trades everyone except CP3 and Harden, they still couldn't give Butler the max with all the roster hold charges.

Watch on YouTube

[F N 11]

Hahn

"More food for thought: Remember the days before the Melo trade went down. Remember the coverage and the perception and the leverage plays. That's all I'm gonna say."

Uhm

He's been talking chit. We getting 2 max cats. Thats why he played a game on his show called "plant your flag, Nets or Knicks". He wants u to show ur colors now so when the knicks come out the best u know u were a non believer.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

So we’re at KD is no better than Harrison Barnes now?

Barnes 2015 Finals: 8.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.8 apg on .373 shooting
Barnes 2016 Finals: 9.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.4 apg on .352 shooting

KD 2017 Finals: 35.2 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 5.4 apg on .556 shooting (Finals MVP)
KD 2018 Finals: 28.8 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 7.5 apg on .526 shooting (Finals MVP)

Not a great comparison.

I wasn't comparing KD to Barnes level of play. Of course KD is 100x better. I meant that KD winning with Curry, Klay and Drymond isn't this great accomplishment when an inferior player at that position was able to do it too.

But the initial point was that Durant stepped up during the pressure of the Finals.

Also, if not for injuries to Kyrie and Love in 2015, those Warriors teams with Barnes might've been 0-2, FWIW.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Ice Cube First Take interview got kinda weird just now.

[GONYK]

Nice little Reddit expose piece about Woj that some of you might find interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/c60ygg/why_it_is_fair_to_think_that_adrian_wojnarowski/

That's why if Woj isn't breaking actual news, he's really not worth putting stock into.

Shams stays out of the opinion game.

There's really no such thing as "News" anymore. They're all just entertainment or spin shows.

Fox News is a shill for Trump and the Republicans -- so, it's no surprise Woj is a shill for the Nets and a few others. It just goes to show you can't always believe everything you read and hear.

I understand your point, but let's keep this thread politics free.

We got enough emotions flying around from SAS and Woj