OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA

[blanko]

Btw since pop has been historically outspoken about politics and current events. Has he spoken out on hong kong?

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[MadGrinch]

is he a hypocrite or does he not agree?

there is a difference.

so he doesn't believe the gross injustices are going on in china? maybe he's one ignorant of the facts, or worse yet he does and says nothing which is even worse

Read on Twitter

he could care less about the people of HK, if he truly wants to take a stand it would of been the perfect time, but no he only cares about "the timing" aka when hes in china

Maybe you haven't heard China has a reputation for violence when it comes to people with different opinions...so my bet is if you were in china you would care too.

2ndly China's response is actually reasonable considering the situation, they've actually done surprisingly little , which no one seems to have noticed Hong Kong is semi autonomous it has its own police force which is carrying out violence to restore order ...not China which does have an army garrison in the city but has not used it , China has mostly engaged in a propaganda campaign to turn chinese sentiment against the protesters

which has been extremely successful thus far , they've ramped up the nationalistic fervor playing on the fact that the only reason hong kong is in the situation its in is because of western imperialism, a main reason Daryl Morey's tweet was reacted in such a harsh manner. As an American he is seen as an imperialist backing separatists.

i live in the United States and i've studied its history , my country most likely would have dealt with the protesters in a similar manner , the united states does not allow its citizens to dictate its freedoms anymore than the residents of hong kong or china

how are the voting rights for the residents of washington DC?
or the residents of Puerto Rico?
do the citizens of Flint Michigan have clean water yet
when cops kill americans they are almost never prosecuted even with overwhelming evidence.
over 1000 citizens are killed by cops every year, mostly unarmed ...and its an open secret that cops cover their crimes up if allowed to which they often are.

there are gross injustices right here I for one refuse to prioritize the plights of others before my own country and if i were to start it wouldn't be with hong kong, this is purely manufactured outrage.

the funny part is this was all over a law Hong Kong had passed , but has since repealed concerning extradition.

basically its a leaderless mob with no real plan , therefore it will accomplish nothing because no one can negotiate with a mob and everyone knows China if need be would squash any rebellions, including the protesters

there is no endgame here , but it surely won't end in freedom for hong kong, when polled most people from hong kong don't even want that

[matchman]

Btw isn't AOC and Bernie minimal on this issue also? Well it makes sense, they would not go against a true socialist regime.

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Communist party running capitalism.....ie nationalistic / fascist capitalism, which is worse than MNC-led capitalism.

You calling the peoples republic of China and the communist party of china facist?

Government controlled economy is still a government controlled economy.

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Yes and no.

Imagine that your hard fought money, your purchased property or established company can be stripped in no time in the name of nation/party;

Imagine Tim Cook or Steve Jobs (Mr. Ma) has to step down from his own company (Alibaba) not due to shareholders' voting, but due to his influence (Alipay, Taobao; Chinese equivalent for Paypal and Amazon) "threatening" the country;

Imagine the government can tear down your house without your consent or any reasonable compensations, and if you try to voice out you are unpatriotic, unloyal to your country; and if you even dare to start any campaign or post to your twitter or facebook, you may receive a ban to the account and there will be state cop visiting your house, trying to tame you down;

Imagine when an earthquake happens, the government building stays strong while the schools collapsed; and those heartbroken parents will be condemned as connecting to foreign country and try to overthrow the government;

Imagine people comes with a ranking system, when you try to say anything about any policy, you may be restricted and not allowed to buy an air ticket or ride a train, not to mention to own a car;

And this is against their own people! Not Jews not minorities but their own people which includes the taxpayers and party members.

It could be a place which is far from where you are living, but if the above is what they do against their own people, think of what will happen if they are your conquerer. And unlike Soviet Union, they are trying to influence the Western world, without trying to convert you into a commie.

There is a reason why most of the Chinese richer people will try every possible method to move out of that country, no matter how "patriotic" they claim to be.

[MadGrinch]

The Chinese point of view is that Hong Kong has too many freedoms and they need to have less of them. That's not a defenseable position to take at all. Now they're using their market to crush dissent in other countries. ESPN has been running communist propaganda for days calling pro democracy protests anti government demonstrations. They still use slave labor and there's literally three ethnic cleansing going on in their country at the same time. One going on with Muslims another one with Catholics, and the last and longest with the Buddhist in Tibet. The protesters are literally waving American flags and singing the national anthem for the NBA to not have their backs is disgusting. I honestly don't think you know what you're talking about several of the people running for President have commented on the situation as well as several Republicans.

most of what you say about the chinese applies to americans as well

americans are constantly fighting with their govt. for more rights and often lose because their politicians are bought and paid for .

americans use slave labor via the 13th amendment(prison labor)

americans have done the ethnic cleansing thing and continue to do so(ask our 1st nations people on that topic )

police are going in people's homes here and shooting them without cause , over 1000 people get shot yearly by police and most of them are unarmed .

in no way reasonable way are american citizens considered among the freest people on earth considering it has more prisoners than any other country (roughly 25% of inmmates worldwide are american despite the united states having about 5% of the world's population)

there are literally hundreds of congressmen and congresswomen , 100 senators and about 10 people running for president .

a handful of people is not very many considering the size of the pool and it shouldn't take a daryl morey tweet to spring them into action

so i actually don't think you know what you are talking about.

There’s no moral equivalency to stuff that has happened 100’s of years ago and things that are happening right now. That is honestly embarrassing that you even bring it up. We may have a large amount of people in jail but they at least get due process and most will eventually get released from jail. Something that won’t happen for the Uigahurs. The State department just slapped sanctions on China and revoked visas over their concentration camps and house has passed three bills in support of the Hong Kong protesters. So again you have no clue what you’re talking about. I do have a question for you though, how does commie boot tastes?

what are you yapping about ?

the united states has slavery right now.
the united states has black sites right now where people don't get due process.
the united states has concentration camps right now

that you don't seem to know that is very sad .

[jvsimonetti0514]

most of what you say about the chinese applies to americans as well

americans are constantly fighting with their govt. for more rights and often lose because their politicians are bought and paid for .

americans use slave labor via the 13th amendment(prison labor)

americans have done the ethnic cleansing thing and continue to do so(ask our 1st nations people on that topic )

police are going in people's homes here and shooting them without cause , over 1000 people get shot yearly by police and most of them are unarmed .

in no way reasonable way are american citizens considered among the freest people on earth considering it has more prisoners than any other country (roughly 25% of inmmates worldwide are american despite the united states having about 5% of the world's population)

there are literally hundreds of congressmen and congresswomen , 100 senators and about 10 people running for president .

a handful of people is not very many considering the size of the pool and it shouldn't take a daryl morey tweet to spring them into action

so i actually don't think you know what you are talking about.

There’s no moral equivalency to stuff that has happened 100’s of years ago and things that are happening right now. That is honestly embarrassing that you even bring it up. We may have a large amount of people in jail but they at least get due process and most will eventually get released from jail. Something that won’t happen for the Uigahurs. The State department just slapped sanctions on China and revoked visas over their concentration camps and house has passed three bills in support of the Hong Kong protesters. So again you have no clue what you’re talking about. I do have a question for you though, how does commie boot tastes?

what are you yapping about ?

the united states has slavery right now.
the united states has black sites right now where people don't get due process.
the united states has concentration camps right now

that you don't seem to know that is very sad .

I’m yapping about you’re clear lack of knowledge of current events and 2 of 3 of those are just not true.

[matchman]

is he a hypocrite or does he not agree?

there is a difference.

so he doesn't believe the gross injustices are going on in china? maybe he's one ignorant of the facts, or worse yet he does and says nothing which is even worse

Read on Twitter

he could care less about the people of HK, if he truly wants to take a stand it would of been the perfect time, but no he only cares about "the timing" aka when hes in china

Maybe you haven't heard China has a reputation for violence when it comes to people with different opinions...so my bet is if you were in china you would care too.

2ndly China's response is actually reasonable considering the situation, they've actually done surprisingly little , which no one seems to have noticed Hong Kong is semi autonomous it has its own police force which is carrying out violence to restore order ...not China which does have an army garrison in the city but has not used it , China has mostly engaged in a propaganda campaign to turn chinese sentiment against the protesters

which has been extremely successful thus far , they've ramped up the nationalistic fervor playing on the fact that the only reason hong kong is in the situation its in is because of western imperialism, a main reason Daryl Morey's tweet was reacted in such a harsh manner. As an American he is seen as an imperialist backing separatists.

i live in the United States and i've studied its history , my country most likely would have dealt with the protesters in a similar manner , the united states does not allow its citizens to dictate its freedoms anymore than the residents of hong kong or china

how are the voting rights for the residents of washington DC?
or the residents of Puerto Rico?
do the citizens of Flint Michigan have clean water yet
when cops kill americans they are almost never prosecuted even with overwhelming evidence.
over 1000 citizens are killed by cops every year, mostly unarmed ...and its an open secret that cops cover their crimes up if allowed to which they often are.

there are gross injustices right here I for one refuse to prioritize the plights of others before my own country and if i were to start it wouldn't be with hong kong, this is purely manufactured outrage.

the funny part is this was all over a law Hong Kong had passed , but has since repealed concerning extradition.

basically its a leaderless mob with no real plan , therefore it will accomplish nothing because no one can negotiate with a mob and everyone knows China if need be would squash any rebellions, including the protesters

there is no endgame here , but it surely won't end in freedom for hong kong, when polled most people from hong kong don't even want that

Hello there, nice to know you have some idea on what is going on here.

Some of your claim is true, like this campaign is nearly leaderless, government may have difficulty to find whom to negotiate with etc.

However, protesters' demand is quite clear, if universal suffrage is delivered as promised in the basic law (the joint declaration between UK and PRC, which is archived in United Nation and its basic law has stated that Hong Kong people should have right to cast the vote and select their own Chief Executive and all members of the Legislative Council (now only 50-55% depend how to define universal) in 2007) , or at least a timeline or a schedule will solve most of the problem here.

United States has 85k people here in Hong Kong now, their voice really should be a force and can give pressure for Hong Kong or PRC to react. Especially what Hong Kong is enjoying after 1997, is with the endorsement by US and other Western countries, without it PRC can dream on how to build a replicant of Hong Kong.

[K_ick_God]

LeBron said let Hong Kong eat cake.

[K_ick_God]

to be fair, we're all hypocrites too. we should all stop watching the nba right now to show support to the people of hong kong and pressure the league to take a stand, but we won't. we won't give up even one of our countless forms of entertainment to help people fighting for their freedom. we're no better.

Depends on how bad the Knicks are.

[blanko]

most of what you say about the chinese applies to americans as well

americans are constantly fighting with their govt. for more rights and often lose because their politicians are bought and paid for .

americans use slave labor via the 13th amendment(prison labor)

americans have done the ethnic cleansing thing and continue to do so(ask our 1st nations people on that topic )

police are going in people's homes here and shooting them without cause , over 1000 people get shot yearly by police and most of them are unarmed .

in no way reasonable way are american citizens considered among the freest people on earth considering it has more prisoners than any other country (roughly 25% of inmmates worldwide are american despite the united states having about 5% of the world's population)

there are literally hundreds of congressmen and congresswomen , 100 senators and about 10 people running for president .

a handful of people is not very many considering the size of the pool and it shouldn't take a daryl morey tweet to spring them into action

so i actually don't think you know what you are talking about.

There’s no moral equivalency to stuff that has happened 100’s of years ago and things that are happening right now. That is honestly embarrassing that you even bring it up. We may have a large amount of people in jail but they at least get due process and most will eventually get released from jail. Something that won’t happen for the Uigahurs. The State department just slapped sanctions on China and revoked visas over their concentration camps and house has passed three bills in support of the Hong Kong protesters. So again you have no clue what you’re talking about. I do have a question for you though, how does commie boot tastes?

what are you yapping about ?

the united states has slavery right now.
the united states has black sites right now where people don't get due process.
the united states has concentration camps right now

that you don't seem to know that is very sad .

The us has slavery? Wtf? Why arent we freeing these people from bondage?

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[blanko]

People are being to harsh on bron, he has been consistent throught his career. He does not criticize china, he didnt criticize china for their part in the genocide in Darfur years ago .

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[DOLPHIN2020]

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[koogiking]

People are being to harsh on bron, he has been consistent throught his career. He does not criticize china, he didnt criticize china for their part in the genocide in Darfur years ago .

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Wow I didn't know China was involved in Darfur. What was their role in it?

[Sark]

People are being to harsh on bron, he has been consistent throught his career. He does not criticize china, he didnt criticize china for their part in the genocide in Darfur years ago .

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Wow I didn't know China was involved in Darfur. What was their role in it?

They supplied the weapons and is the largest trade partner.

[kane]

is he a hypocrite or does he not agree?

there is a difference.

so he doesn't believe the gross injustices are going on in china? maybe he's one ignorant of the facts, or worse yet he does and says nothing which is even worse

Read on Twitter

he could care less about the people of HK, if he truly wants to take a stand it would of been the perfect time, but no he only cares about "the timing" aka when hes in china

Maybe you haven't heard China has a reputation for violence when it comes to people with different opinions...so my bet is if you were in china you would care too.

the problem he didn't make that statement while he was in china he made it back home, he chose to be willfully ignorant just make sure those sneakers keep selling and space jam 2 opens in china...

[robillionaire]

There’s no moral equivalency to stuff that has happened 100’s of years ago and things that are happening right now. That is honestly embarrassing that you even bring it up. We may have a large amount of people in jail but they at least get due process and most will eventually get released from jail. Something that won’t happen for the Uigahurs. The State department just slapped sanctions on China and revoked visas over their concentration camps and house has passed three bills in support of the Hong Kong protesters. So again you have no clue what you’re talking about. I do have a question for you though, how does commie boot tastes?

what are you yapping about ?

the united states has slavery right now.
the united states has black sites right now where people don't get due process.
the united states has concentration camps right now

that you don't seem to know that is very sad .

The us has slavery? Wtf? Why arent we freeing these people from bondage?

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This is off topic so if anybody wants to read about China or HK skim over this post. But he is referring to the prison industrial complex which profits off prison labor and is a form of legalized slavery where millions of people are in prison in the US due to mass incarceration and a racist criminal justice system fueled by an escalation of the war on drugs, targeted policing, mandatory sentences, three strikes laws etc. And then as someone mentioned "most will eventually get released from jail" but some don't thanks to the aforementioned laws, and even the ones who do are put into an undercaste of people labeled as a felon who can be legally discriminated against for employment, housing, can't vote, put into permanent second class status. The US crime rate is lower than the international norm but the highest incarceration rate. The 13th amendment details the loophole in which slavery is legal. Also related to the topic of slavery in Libya African refugees are now being sold in open-air slave markets after the US-led regime change toppled the government and turned their country into hell on earth

[koogiking]

People are being to harsh on bron, he has been consistent throught his career. He does not criticize china, he didnt criticize china for their part in the genocide in Darfur years ago .

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Wow I didn't know China was involved in Darfur. What was their role in it?

They supplied the weapons and is the largest trade partner.

Wow I did not know that. America supplies weapons for people too and wars and genocides

[MadGrinch]

There’s no moral equivalency to stuff that has happened 100’s of years ago and things that are happening right now. That is honestly embarrassing that you even bring it up. We may have a large amount of people in jail but they at least get due process and most will eventually get released from jail. Something that won’t happen for the Uigahurs. The State department just slapped sanctions on China and revoked visas over their concentration camps and house has passed three bills in support of the Hong Kong protesters. So again you have no clue what you’re talking about. I do have a question for you though, how does commie boot tastes?

what are you yapping about ?

the united states has slavery right now.
the united states has black sites right now where people don't get due process.
the united states has concentration camps right now

that you don't seem to know that is very sad .

I’m yapping about you’re clear lack of knowledge of current events and 2 of 3 of those are just not true.

I'm interested to know which ones you think aren't true?

[matchman]

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/10/16/breaking-hong-kong-protest-leader-jimmy-sham-attacked-tai-kok-tsui/

Hong Kong protest leader Jimmy Sham attacked in Tai Kok Tsui

The convenor of Hong Kong’s Civil Human Rights Front (CHRF) has been attacked by unidentified men with hammers in Kowloon.

...

[jvsimonetti0514]

what are you yapping about ?

the united states has slavery right now.
the united states has black sites right now where people don't get due process.
the united states has concentration camps right now

that you don't seem to know that is very sad .

The us has slavery? Wtf? Why arent we freeing these people from bondage?

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This is off topic so if anybody wants to read about China or HK skim over this post. But he is referring to the prison industrial complex which profits off prison labor and is a form of legalized slavery where millions of people are in prison in the US due to mass incarceration and a racist criminal justice system fueled by an escalation of the war on drugs, targeted policing, mandatory sentences, three strikes laws etc. And then as someone mentioned "most will eventually get released from jail" but some don't thanks to the aforementioned laws, and even the ones who do are put into an undercaste of people labeled as a felon who can be legally discriminated against for employment, housing, can't vote, put into permanent second class status. The US crime rate is lower than the international norm but the highest incarceration rate. The 13th amendment details the loophole in which slavery is legal. Also related to the topic of slavery in Libya African refugees are now being sold in open-air slave markets after the US-led regime change toppled the government and turned their country into hell on earth

No arguments against prison labor being paid more but I think it’s a stretch to call them slavery. Those positions are totally voluntarily, reduce recidivism, help get time off, and count for real world job training. I would understand if inmates were forced to take those jobs but only about half the inmate population works. My company actually did a story recently about this guy teaching inmates how to make pizzas and the program is really effect and there’s others like it too. Even with though our judicial system is need of major reforms, especially when it comes to non violent offenders. It just pales in comparison to China and just their social credit scores and losing the rights for bad posts online. The Chinese kidnapped the reincarnation of the guy that’s supposed to find the next Dalai Lama and he’s not the only person that just disappears. This is attempt to erase the religion when the current Dalai Lama dies. Whatabouting our issues is just a false equivalency in my book. Our inmates may get paid horribly but they’re not getting their organs harvested.

I think you’re just skimming over the role Arab spring played in topple Gaddafi and the support from the EU, specifically Italy and France. It was a terrible decision but supporting rebels with air strikes is different than full scale regime changing action, like Iraq. Sadly, we’ve been burned by pro democracy movements in the Middle East in the past, doesn’t mean we should ignore Hong Kong’s.

[Billy Goat]

We're all hypocrites in some way or another. Lebron tattletailing on Morey and encouraging Silver to punish him however is so out of bounds and ridiculous its hard to even fathom.