2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[Pointgod]

I'm thinking this is what Trump will go for... He can afford to lose Pennsylvania and Michigan. He needs Wisconsin and he has an opportunity to flip Minnesota. He will also need one of New Hampshire or Nevada to tip the scale:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/3XjZ6

As for Biden...

I still think Biden shouldn't get cocky about Pennsylvania or Michigan like Hillary did. But I think he can win them. As it gets closer, he will have to decide which states are already lost so he doesn't spread himself to thin and miss campaign time in more key states. I think AZ should be likely Biden. But I think dems and Biden should save Texas, Georgia, Ohio for another time.

I think Nevada, Minnesota, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Florida are the real swing states. Winning Florida will be nice and will effectively take Trump out of the race. But I'm not sure how realistic that is.

Biden will need one of Wisconsin or Minnesota to win, and one of New Hampshire or Nevada.

I think Wisconsin and New Hampshire is the safer bet:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/7w3py

I need to do more research on North Carolina though. But if Biden can manage to win that, he could afford to lose Nevada, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/o4Qj9

I do fell North Carolina is going under the radar.

Why do you think New Hampshire and Nevada are in play? This is the first that I’m hearing of this. You’re right Florida is the key to this whole thing. If Biden wins Florida and Pennsylvania, then Trump has to defend Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina, Arizona. And this is with me giving back Minnesota.

Frankly Biden needs to double down in Florida with the message that Trump will take away social security and healthcare. Simple straight forward message (that happens to be true). I’d feel confident about his chances with states that have Democratic Governors. The discussion needs to focus on the economy, covid, healthcare

[HarthorneWingo]

Not sure...

I just listened to Seder and Jaime Peck discuss it. It has to do with some kind of Facebook adversing maneuver. I didn't quite understand it but, bottom line, it's meaningless. Dan Bongino?

Is it meaningless?

We can't pretend guys like Bongino and Shaprio are speaking out to big portion of the American population. Their podcasts are growing as well.

They got a lot of pull imo.

I don’t read Facebook anymore since the ‘16 election. I think we just have to continue to focus on the battleground counties in the battleground states and Biden needs to lean into some things that Democratic voters want like M4A and criminal justice reform.

Has Biden said “Black Lives Matter”? I don’t believe he has.

[GONYK]

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[Pointgod]

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The activity on FB is significantly driven by bots and Foreign actors. It’s not even a question. The second thing is that the Facebook algorithm works on engagement and videos and articles that are more inflammatory are pushed to the top of your Facebook feed, are shared more and there’s more discussion from both the right and left. But the key thing to remember here, the right wing has way more content meant to drum up emotion and visceral reactions. That’s why you see people like Dan Bongino and the Hodge Twins with such high views. There content is neither enlightening or high quality production and I’m sure that even if you went to a heavily Republican district and showed them pictures they’d have no idea who they are.

[Stannis]

I just listened to Seder and Jaime Peck discuss it. It has to do with some kind of Facebook adversing maneuver. I didn't quite understand it but, bottom line, it's meaningless. Dan Bongino?

Is it meaningless?

We can't pretend guys like Bongino and Shaprio are speaking out to big portion of the American population. Their podcasts are growing as well.

They got a lot of pull imo.

I don’t read Facebook anymore since the ‘16 election. I think we just have to continue to focus on the battleground counties in the battleground states and Biden needs to lean into some things that Democratic voters want like M4A and criminal justice reform.

He won't be doing any of that. This is all about beating Trump. Biden needs moderates swing voters (aka white middle class voters not in NY & California). You aren't going to get them doing M4A or weed legalization. He's playing it VERY safe and doesn't want to shun anybody (e.g. condemning Linda Sarsour but later apologizing to her in private).

His term will be mostly about reestablishing the relationship between the GOP and DNC and trying to weed-out the Trump loyalist.

It's sad, but that is the deal. Unfortunately, I will have to accept that because if Trump is elected, this is what I expect at a minimum:
- Declaring BLM a terrorist group
- Some form of martial law inhibiting our freedom of speech and right to protest
- More riots and looting
- Little to no process combating climate change
- More Laura Loomers
- More money printed for the market and not the working class
- A lot more

[Clyde_Style]

I don't think it's enough just to attack Trump. The Trump hate factor is already in the bag. We hate him! But Biden isn't talking about what he'll do. I don't think you can win an election like this with that strategy.

Biden speaks up daily whether it is on your radar or not. Just because Trump gets most of the media coverage is not an indicator of public sentiment.

If anything, I think the concern is the media promotes fear mongering because it drives clicks. They will jump on any evidence that Trump is closing the gap because that causes a reaction among viewers and readers.

Biden is still going to let Trump set himself on fire to some degree leading up to the debates, but I don't see him being silent.

I didn’t say that he wasn’t talking. It’s the subject matter that I have a problem with.

The subject of the day is clearly Trump inciting violence to boost his campaign message of law and order.

Biden handled that decisively so unless you're pissed off again because he didn't declare he will magically wave his magic wand and grant medicare for all Americans yesterday, what EXACTLY is it he said that you have a problem with?

[Clyde_Style]

Is it meaningless?

We can't pretend guys like Bongino and Shaprio are speaking out to big portion of the American population. Their podcasts are growing as well.

They got a lot of pull imo.

I don’t read Facebook anymore since the ‘16 election. I think we just have to continue to focus on the battleground counties in the battleground states and Biden needs to lean into some things that Democratic voters want like M4A and criminal justice reform.

He won't be doing any of that. This is all about beating Trump. Biden needs moderates swing voters (aka white middle class voters not in NY & California). You aren't going to get them doing M4A or weed legalization. He's playing it VERY safe and doesn't want to shun anybody (e.g. condemning Linda Sarsour but later apologizing to her in private).

His term will be mostly about reestablishing the relationship between the GOP and DNC and trying to weed-out the Trump loyalist.

It's sad, but that is the deal. Unfortunately, I will have to accept that because if Trump is elected, this is what I expect at a minimum:
- Declaring BLM a terrorist group
- Some form of martial law inhibiting our freedom of speech and right to protest
- More riots and looting
- Little to no process combating climate change
- More Laura Loomers
- More money printed for the market and not the working class
- A lot more

That's not true at all

If they win and hold the majority in both houses they will ignore the objections of the GOP and pass legislation without concessions to the right. Where on earth did you get that idea?

[HarthorneWingo]

Is it meaningless?

We can't pretend guys like Bongino and Shaprio are speaking out to big portion of the American population. Their podcasts are growing as well.

They got a lot of pull imo.

I don’t read Facebook anymore since the ‘16 election. I think we just have to continue to focus on the battleground counties in the battleground states and Biden needs to lean into some things that Democratic voters want like M4A and criminal justice reform.

He won't be doing any of that. This is all about beating Trump. Biden needs moderates swing voters (aka white middle class voters not in NY & California). You aren't going to get them doing M4A or weed legalization. He's playing it VERY safe and doesn't want to shun anybody (e.g. condemning Linda Sarsour but later apologizing to her in private).

His term will be mostly about reestablishing the relationship between the GOP and DNC and trying to weed-out the Trump loyalist.

It's sad, but that is the deal. Unfortunately, I will have to accept that because if Trump is elected, this is what I expect at a minimum:
- Declaring BLM a terrorist group
- Some form of martial law inhibiting our freedom of speech and right to protest
- More riots and looting
- Little to no process combating climate change
- More Laura Loomers
- More money printed for the market and not the working class
- A lot more

Sounds like Hillary all over again.

[GONYK]

I don't think Trump can make it any clearer that he is encouraging the the violence in the streets. He needs it to change the narrative from his Covid failures, which polls as the #1 election issue for likely voters.

The more Rittenhouses Trump can summon, the more unrest he can point to.

[Pointgod]

That was an excellent speech (starts at 15:30 mark)

Watch on YouTube

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Biden did exactly the right thing that you’re supposed to do when dealing with Trump. He called out the game and said exactly what Trump’s trying to distract from. Trump is always on offence that’s why you make him play defence and he folds like a bitch. Biden went at social security, the pandemic, getting rid of the ACA and Russian bounties. I loved the part when he was like look at me “Do I look radical left to you?”. Pretty much takes the air out of that argument. Hopefully the media starts to play this on a loop, but we know it won’t. They’ll spend 10 minutes on this then go onto the next thing. Biden team needs to hire a troll farm and amplify this all over social media because the people who need to see it aren’t going to be watching the mainstream media.

[HarthorneWingo]

I don’t read Facebook anymore since the ‘16 election. I think we just have to continue to focus on the battleground counties in the battleground states and Biden needs to lean into some things that Democratic voters want like M4A and criminal justice reform.

He won't be doing any of that. This is all about beating Trump. Biden needs moderates swing voters (aka white middle class voters not in NY & California). You aren't going to get them doing M4A or weed legalization. He's playing it VERY safe and doesn't want to shun anybody (e.g. condemning Linda Sarsour but later apologizing to her in private).

His term will be mostly about reestablishing the relationship between the GOP and DNC and trying to weed-out the Trump loyalist.

It's sad, but that is the deal. Unfortunately, I will have to accept that because if Trump is elected, this is what I expect at a minimum:
- Declaring BLM a terrorist group
- Some form of martial law inhibiting our freedom of speech and right to protest
- More riots and looting
- Little to no process combating climate change
- More Laura Loomers
- More money printed for the market and not the working class
- A lot more

That's not true at all

If they win and hold the majority in both houses they will ignore the objections of the GOP and pass legislation without concessions to the right. Where on earth did you get that idea?

Except it is true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/us/politics/biden-congress.html

Democrats Have Their Doubts About Biden’s Bipartisan Bonhomie
Twelve years after he left the Senate, a President Biden would find a Capitol that is far more partisan and less open to deal-making than the one that shaped his views of legislating.

******
The picture painted in the convention video of the “unlikely friendship” between Mr. Biden and John McCain, in which senators of differing parties fight it out during the day, gather for fellowship at night and proudly come together for the good of the nation in the end, could not be drawn today.

*****

Many of Mr. Biden’s closest advisers and former colleagues say he is still loath to burn bridges with Republicans. He’s the same man, they say, who supported civil rights as a young senator but still worked with the Senate’s arch segregationists, something he boasted about as recently as last year.

“This convention gives you a very good sense of his belief that you can find common ground with everybody,” said Anita Dunn, one of his top strategists.

-more-

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-08-16/biden-bipartisan-deals-possible-anymore

WASHINGTON — Joe Biden proudly boasts of how he persuaded Republicans in 2009 to cross the political divide and vote for President Obama’s economic recovery plan.

He doesn’t often mention he only got three or that, in the years since, one has died, one has quit Congress and the third, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, is in danger of losing her seat this fall.

Even for a consummate dealmaker like Biden, the kind of pragmatic Republicans he’s dealt with in the past are increasingly hard to find.

Biden has put his ability to forge compromises at the center of his quest for the White House, believing that after nearly four years of tumult, weary voters are hungry for a unifying leader, a competent problem solver for a crisis-torn country.

-more-

[HarthorneWingo]

That was an excellent speech (starts at 15:30 mark)

Watch on YouTube

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Biden did exactly the right thing that you’re supposed to do when dealing with Trump. He called out the game and said exactly what Trump’s trying to distract from. Trump is always on offence that’s why you make him play defence and he folds like a bitch. Biden went at social security, the pandemic, getting rid of the ACA and Russian bounties. I loved the part when he was like look at me “Do I look radical left to you?”. Pretty much takes the air out of that argument. Hopefully the media starts to play this on a loop, but we know it won’t. They’ll spend 10 minutes on this then go onto the next thing. Biden team needs to hire a troll farm and amplify this all over social media because the people who need to see it aren’t going to be watching the mainstream media.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. By only attacking Trump and not presenting his platforms for change, Biden is playing "not to lose" which is a recipe for disaster. What did Biden offer in that video other than more platitudes (I couldn't watch the whole thing)?

[Pointgod]

Is it meaningless?

We can't pretend guys like Bongino and Shaprio are speaking out to big portion of the American population. Their podcasts are growing as well.

They got a lot of pull imo.

I don’t read Facebook anymore since the ‘16 election. I think we just have to continue to focus on the battleground counties in the battleground states and Biden needs to lean into some things that Democratic voters want like M4A and criminal justice reform.

He won't be doing any of that. This is all about beating Trump. Biden needs moderates swing voters (aka white middle class voters not in NY & California). You aren't going to get them doing M4A or weed legalization. He's playing it VERY safe and doesn't want to shun anybody (e.g. condemning Linda Sarsour but later apologizing to her in private).

His term will be mostly about reestablishing the relationship between the GOP and DNC and trying to weed-out the Trump loyalist.

It's sad, but that is the deal. Unfortunately, I will have to accept that because if Trump is elected, this is what I expect at a minimum:
- Declaring BLM a terrorist group
- Some form of martial law inhibiting our freedom of speech and right to protest
- More riots and looting
- Little to no process combating climate change
- More Laura Loomers
- More money printed for the market and not the working class
- A lot more

I agree with you and Wingo that he should make decriminalizing marijuana at the Federal level and leaving the rest up to the states as part of this policy. Decriminalization helps with the youth vote, hits on criminal justice reform and provides an additional revenue stream and jobs for states that choose to pursue it. Stay the hell away from M4A though it’s such a confusing policy to talk about narrative wise that it doesn’t make sense at this point.

[HarthorneWingo]

The new Biden/Harris ad.

Watch on YouTube

[Pointgod]

That was an excellent speech (starts at 15:30 mark)

Watch on YouTube

;feature=emb_title

Biden did exactly the right thing that you’re supposed to do when dealing with Trump. He called out the game and said exactly what Trump’s trying to distract from. Trump is always on offence that’s why you make him play defence and he folds like a bitch. Biden went at social security, the pandemic, getting rid of the ACA and Russian bounties. I loved the part when he was like look at me “Do I look radical left to you?”. Pretty much takes the air out of that argument. Hopefully the media starts to play this on a loop, but we know it won’t. They’ll spend 10 minutes on this then go onto the next thing. Biden team needs to hire a troll farm and amplify this all over social media because the people who need to see it aren’t going to be watching the mainstream media.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. By only attacking Trump and not presenting his platforms for change, Biden is playing "not to lose" which is a recipe for disaster. What did Biden offer in that video other than more platitudes (I couldn't watch the whole thing)?

Do you think this is a policy election? I agree you can’t discount policy but I strongly have a feeling that the people who are undecided or persuadable aren’t voting on policy. I agree with you that he has to start talking about policy in specific swing states and in debates (that will never happen) but an address like this is to speak to a nation during an inflection point with the country tipping towards total darkness.

[Clyde_Style]

He won't be doing any of that. This is all about beating Trump. Biden needs moderates swing voters (aka white middle class voters not in NY & California). You aren't going to get them doing M4A or weed legalization. He's playing it VERY safe and doesn't want to shun anybody (e.g. condemning Linda Sarsour but later apologizing to her in private).

His term will be mostly about reestablishing the relationship between the GOP and DNC and trying to weed-out the Trump loyalist.

It's sad, but that is the deal. Unfortunately, I will have to accept that because if Trump is elected, this is what I expect at a minimum:
- Declaring BLM a terrorist group
- Some form of martial law inhibiting our freedom of speech and right to protest
- More riots and looting
- Little to no process combating climate change
- More Laura Loomers
- More money printed for the market and not the working class
- A lot more

That's not true at all

If they win and hold the majority in both houses they will ignore the objections of the GOP and pass legislation without concessions to the right. Where on earth did you get that idea?

Except it is true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/us/politics/biden-congress.html

Democrats Have Their Doubts About Biden’s Bipartisan Bonhomie
Twelve years after he left the Senate, a President Biden would find a Capitol that is far more partisan and less open to deal-making than the one that shaped his views of legislating.

******
The picture painted in the convention video of the “unlikely friendship” between Mr. Biden and John McCain, in which senators of differing parties fight it out during the day, gather for fellowship at night and proudly come together for the good of the nation in the end, could not be drawn today.

*****

Many of Mr. Biden’s closest advisers and former colleagues say he is still loath to burn bridges with Republicans. He’s the same man, they say, who supported civil rights as a young senator but still worked with the Senate’s arch segregationists, something he boasted about as recently as last year.

“This convention gives you a very good sense of his belief that you can find common ground with everybody,” said Anita Dunn, one of his top strategists.

-more-

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-08-16/biden-bipartisan-deals-possible-anymore

WASHINGTON — Joe Biden proudly boasts of how he persuaded Republicans in 2009 to cross the political divide and vote for President Obama’s economic recovery plan.

He doesn’t often mention he only got three or that, in the years since, one has died, one has quit Congress and the third, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, is in danger of losing her seat this fall.

Even for a consummate dealmaker like Biden, the kind of pragmatic Republicans he’s dealt with in the past are increasingly hard to find.

Biden has put his ability to forge compromises at the center of his quest for the White House, believing that after nearly four years of tumult, weary voters are hungry for a unifying leader, a competent problem solver for a crisis-torn country.

-more-

You'll believe anything if it fits your bias

That you would conflate his efforts to coalition build within the party to fellating the GOP is a joke

The GOP is a rogue, criminal organization. The days of reaching across the aisle is over. Biden knows this, but apparently you don't.

[HarthorneWingo]

Biden did exactly the right thing that you’re supposed to do when dealing with Trump. He called out the game and said exactly what Trump’s trying to distract from. Trump is always on offence that’s why you make him play defence and he folds like a bitch. Biden went at social security, the pandemic, getting rid of the ACA and Russian bounties. I loved the part when he was like look at me “Do I look radical left to you?”. Pretty much takes the air out of that argument. Hopefully the media starts to play this on a loop, but we know it won’t. They’ll spend 10 minutes on this then go onto the next thing. Biden team needs to hire a troll farm and amplify this all over social media because the people who need to see it aren’t going to be watching the mainstream media.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. By only attacking Trump and not presenting his platforms for change, Biden is playing "not to lose" which is a recipe for disaster. What did Biden offer in that video other than more platitudes (I couldn't watch the whole thing)?

Do you think this is a policy election? I agree you can’t discount policy but I strongly have a feeling that the people who are undecided or persuadable aren’t voting on policy. I agree with you that he has to start talking about policy in specific swing states and in debates (that will never happen) but an address like this is to speak to a nation during an inflection point with the country tipping towards total darkness.

Yes, I do. Biden isn't feeding any red meat to the base. In fact, he seem quite content to go out of his way to say "Then don't vote for me!"

The reasons why were find ourselves in this predicament today is because of failed - or no - policies addressing dire issues like healthcare, climate change, income inequality, and criminal justice reform

[Pointgod]

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[HarthorneWingo]

That's not true at all

If they win and hold the majority in both houses they will ignore the objections of the GOP and pass legislation without concessions to the right. Where on earth did you get that idea?

Except it is true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/us/politics/biden-congress.html

Democrats Have Their Doubts About Biden’s Bipartisan Bonhomie
Twelve years after he left the Senate, a President Biden would find a Capitol that is far more partisan and less open to deal-making than the one that shaped his views of legislating.

******
The picture painted in the convention video of the “unlikely friendship” between Mr. Biden and John McCain, in which senators of differing parties fight it out during the day, gather for fellowship at night and proudly come together for the good of the nation in the end, could not be drawn today.

*****

Many of Mr. Biden’s closest advisers and former colleagues say he is still loath to burn bridges with Republicans. He’s the same man, they say, who supported civil rights as a young senator but still worked with the Senate’s arch segregationists, something he boasted about as recently as last year.

“This convention gives you a very good sense of his belief that you can find common ground with everybody,” said Anita Dunn, one of his top strategists.

-more-

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-08-16/biden-bipartisan-deals-possible-anymore

WASHINGTON — Joe Biden proudly boasts of how he persuaded Republicans in 2009 to cross the political divide and vote for President Obama’s economic recovery plan.

He doesn’t often mention he only got three or that, in the years since, one has died, one has quit Congress and the third, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, is in danger of losing her seat this fall.

Even for a consummate dealmaker like Biden, the kind of pragmatic Republicans he’s dealt with in the past are increasingly hard to find.

Biden has put his ability to forge compromises at the center of his quest for the White House, believing that after nearly four years of tumult, weary voters are hungry for a unifying leader, a competent problem solver for a crisis-torn country.

-more-

You'll believe anything if it fits your bias

That you would conflate his efforts to coalition build within the party to fellating the GOP is a joke

The GOP is a rogue, criminal organization. The days of reaching across the aisle is over. Biden knows this, but apparently you don't.

Oh, so now I'm gullible? You're a joke.

I present articles in newspapers - like in the NY Times and LA Times - that fit my bias? Do you just make this shyt up as you go along. It's very Trump-like tbh. It's either that or simply can't read or hear because Biden has made this abundantly clear. It's in the freaking NY Times and LA Times in black and white and your response is to pull off your gas lighting routine, once again, that I'll believe anything.

Why don't you present some evidence in support of your position? Because there isn't any.

[Clyde_Style]

Except it is true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/us/politics/biden-congress.html



https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-08-16/biden-bipartisan-deals-possible-anymore

You'll believe anything if it fits your bias

That you would conflate his efforts to coalition build within the party to fellating the GOP is a joke

The GOP is a rogue, criminal organization. The days of reaching across the aisle is over. Biden knows this, but apparently you don't.

I present articles in newspapers - like in the NY Times and LA Times - that fit my bias? Do you just make this shyt up and go along. It's very Trump-like tbh. It's either that or simply can't read or hear because Biden has made this abundantly clear. It's in the freaking NY Times and LA Times in black and white and your response is to pull off your gas lighting routine, once again, that I'll believe anything.

Why don't you present some evidence in support of your position? Because there isn't any.

You're actually pitching that Biden will spend his whole term placating a criminal, minority party to show how much of a bridge builder he is. This is just a silly idea, but yeah go ahead and knock yourself out and spew some more about how Biden is going to squander his opportunities to spoon with Mitch McConnell.