PG: Clippers at Knicks

[Kampuchea]

Hate to see Frank still getting mentions. He is simply not good enough. Maybe if he played off of players that get doubled, like he needs to pair with Randle/RJ and hope to get wide open 3's.

That's exactly why he's being mentioned. Payton deliberately gets left wide open at the 3 point line in the opposing team's game plan. The only reason Thibs says he likes Payton is because of his defense against bigger and stronger guards. But this argument makes little sense when you have a guy like Frank on the bench. No one is talking about Frank as a future star or anything, but he clearly can be a solid role player in a starting line-up given the opportunity. Honestly, if Knick coaches think Frank is not worthy of NBA minutes then please trade for an Avery Bradley type. Enough of this Payton nonsense.

I don't have faith in Frank to be a floor spacer, but it is his only chance IMO.

I definitely do not think he "clearly" can be a solid role player. He is injury prone and in the 182 games he has played he is shooting 32% from 3.

Not that I think Payton is the answer, Frank is just an even worse option.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Recap is up fam. IQ has that special something about him. Also, with a starting unit that’s built to play through Barrett and Randle...do you really need Payton? He’s not exactly been a floor general anyway. I’m not even just thinking the starting line-up, Payton out of the rotation might not be bad experiment.

IQ is going to make Thibs start him eventually.

If Thibs wants to keep IQ coming off the bench for now, why shouldn’t Frank start ahead of Payton? Frank brings the defense and he won’t stand there and over dribble like Payton.

[cgf]

No to JJ, he is cooked. Don't see as an upgrade over Bullock or Rivers, maybe slightly over Bullock but not enough to give away assets. Two years ago JJ was a definite upgrade, seems he is one foot out the door now though.

It's not just you but I'm gunna jump off of your post to gripe that this fanbase seriously underplays Bullock's defensive contribution. He & RJ are head & shoulders above any other perimeter/wing defenders in the rotation; that's why he starts when he's healthy, despite shooting well below his career average (38.4%) from 3.

So JJ wouldn't replace Reggie in the starting lineup, even if getting traded to us rejuvenated him. He'd be replacing Burks or Rivers as a bench flamethrower. If you want to get someone that Thibs would start ahead of Bullock, shooting is the wrong end of the court to be focusing on.

Yes, that is why it was a "maybe." Offensive upgrade and losing on defense, IMO. And the offensive upgrade I am not so sure as JJ may just be done. We shouldn't be sending out assets for him, let BK do it.

I am not on board with the Reggie haters.

Fair enough. Like I said, I was mostly just jumping off your post to make my point about Bullock being a lot better than this fanbase gives him credit for.

[prophet_of_rage]

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I don't think the Knicks should be buyers

A few thoughts

In general the Knicks shouldn't be buyers agreed

Knicks MIGHT be able to be buyers in highly specific areas - meaning, I wouldn't be against SOME kind of trade - on the periphery - where Burks or Bullocks or Frank or DSJr go out. Obviously Payton, but seems like FO wants to keep him

Reddick a few years ago, to me, would have been a good get, where I'm more confident he's not washed. Players like this who can knock down the open shot are always valuable and helpful to a team, no matter where they are in the standings.

Reddick has a suspiciously low shooting % for a shooter though and make me wonder if he's washed

Reddick obviously wants to ring chase and wants the Nets

This is the part where teams left and right bend over and give the contender whatever the f*ck they want, as if they have zero leverage. Which pisses me off. Nets will get Reddick for next to nothing. Cavs will waive Drummond and he'll saunter over there. And Nets probably win it all.

It bothers me because teams should realize they are in a HIGH leverage situation. The contender team has generally gone "all in". Yes, they tend to not have many assets left. But then they are even more desperate because they know they need a couple of more role players to go over the top. And then bum ass organizations just gift them to that team. Why?

Also, wary of Reddick because you'd think the Pels would want some shooting to spread the floor for Zion and need it more because Lonzo can't shoot, yet here they are shopping Reddick.

Reddick has not been playing well this year and NO wants to replace him with Alexander-Walker.

If Payton waived the no trade clause to go home that would make sense but don't give up future assets for him.

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[Jadoogar]

Ah, great to hear the Knicks will be picking 12th and 15th. I'm sure they'll land a franchise player there....

That range actually has better success throughout history than 8th. Those 12-15 picks seem to usually land gold

I keep wondering why that happens.

The sample size is too significant, there is a discernible pattern.

The best explanation I can come up with is that teams drafting 7-9 still follow conventional thinking. They continue to draft for a star as if they had a top 5 pick except all the guys with the requisite level of quality are gone.

Teams in the 10-14 range seem to draft for more specific skills like defense and 3P shooting, with the consensus projecting them as role players, when in fact those skills are valuable and give teams something tangible to work with from day 1.

Pandemic thoughts.

This is definitely the case. Teams hate to think they are drafting a role player with a top 10 pick (this is partly reason why Haliburton dropped). While most top 10 picks don't turn into super stars or even allstars, it's the best chance to hit on a cornerstone of a player so teams will continue to swing for star potential over steady return.

[Richard4444]

In the past 10 years, from pick 6 to pick 15, the odds of getting good/great players are almost the same. It's like a crap shot.

There are more great players from 12/15 than 6/9

Good/Great (6-9 picks):
Great: Kemba, Lillard, Jamal
Good: Barnes, Ross, Drummond, KCP, Smart, Randle, Buddy, Isaac, Lauri, Sexton, White, Rui,

Good/Great (12-15 picks):
Great: Kawhi, Giannis, Lavine, Booker, Donovan, Bam
Good: Burks, Morris, Lamb, Adams, Warrem, Oubre, Kennard, MPJ, PJ Washington, Herro, Haliburton

[knickstape4ever]

Cade, Kuminga and Trent?

My heart would explode.

Dream off season.

1000%

also a huge Jalen Green and think he's a future star

Cade
IQ
RJ
Kuminga
Mitch

Trent as 6th man

and yes, I have Kuminga as the starting 4. defensive versatility and shooting. I wanna play w/ a stretch-4 (like Utah) and he's more so than Randle or Obi

Stop sleeping on Obi hasn't been given a fair shot dam

I agree Obi hasn't been given a shot but Kuminga>Obi

I was not a fan of Obi in the draft b/c he doesn't have a face-up game, doesn't have many post moves, and he's not a true stretch-4. he got drafted high b/c he dunked on a bunch of lesser athletes. Kuminga is actually a nice offensive player who can shoot and create his own shot

[FlashFlood]

Just saw the game yesterday. I really enjoyed the Kawhi vs RJ matchup. How many times in the last 20 years did the Knicks have someone that could matchup to the league's elite guards, offense and defense? It really shows you the character of the kid, how hard he's worked, and also how much further he has to go.

Kawhi has about 10-15 lbs on RJ, and it showed. RJ is a brute of a guard, but not quite at Kawhi's level. I suspect another year of workout regimes and RJ should be able to obtain yet another physical level. How crazy is that ? Could he be the promised one? Did the Knicks finally find their first own homegrown perennial all-star since Ewing?