PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel

[prophet_of_rage]

Grimes looked good ... good enough to dump Randle in a trade lol?

Knicks need to just undo the Randle thing and fast. It's not a slump, it's his whole dealio. Put a pick in the deal and just bit the bullet.

I havent been watching yall..has Randle reverted back to tunnell vision bull in a china shop laker version?

No. He has cut down his shpoting a lot and is trying to be a ball mover. His turnovers are up as a result.

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[Clyde_Style]

That’s the big difference. Evan looks like he belongs back in France.

Evan joue comme merde

Toi, tu insultes la merde.

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Seulement merde francais or tout les merdes du monde?

[prophet_of_rage]

Randle has Connaughton on him in the post and commits a turnover by throwing the ball into the backcourt.

Randle is trying not to be a hog. Hevcan't mix things up yet. He more than any Knick needs continuity and a defined role.

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The problem is he struggles to fit in to any role where he isn’t the main hub of the offense.. he needs to be the the de facto point guard so to speak to really play his game freely. He can’t play without the ball in his hands making him a real issue since he isn’t hitting his shot the way he did last season. Just a really tough player to build anything solid around if he isn’t playing like how he did last season which he isn’t by a long shot

You're critiquing the player. Thibs offence sucks. That's the problem with Randle right now. Put him in a better offence and he will be fine.

Knicks play 4 out with their non scoring centre on the dunker's spot. Aside from chucking 3s they have Randle pick and post. But Noel or Robinson's man plays off them in a zone cutting off Randle's passing angles. The bigs don't lift or leave to set off ball screens. And nobody else moves in the offemce.

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[Clyde_Style]

We took a swing at another higher upside player, future star Rokas Jokubaitis

eeehhh. Rokas is doing pretty well for BCN so far, and definitely scoring more (literally - the pts from the baskets he makes) than expected.

I’m not saying I know what he’ll become, but when a guy is producing for a top international team and his tape looks as good as his my inclination is to at least be hopeful and not disparage his potential

Yeah, I know Rob was schticking but I’m superstitious like that

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Knicks need to try and make a few trades.
Let the FO fix the f*ck ups of the offseason.
Not every last guy has to go, it can be a process.
But there's no reason to carry 6 mediocre wings when maybe they can convert some into a more useful player or picks.
No reason to carry 4 offensively limited centers, when maybe they can move them for one who isn't.
Do something.
The Knicks have a bunch of 7th and 8th men. Try to get a #2 or even, gasp, a #1.

Knicks need to try and make a few last gasp efforts.

Let's f*ck up the FO fix to the offseason.
Every last guy has to go, it will be a process.

There's no reason to carry 6 mediocre wings when maybe they can convert some into a more useful player or picks.
No reason to carry 4 offensively limited centers, when maybe they can move them for one who isn't.

Do something. Wings and legs - try to buy whole chickens.

The Knicks have a bunch of 7th and 8th men. Try to get a #2RP or even a #1RP for some combination of them.

[prophet_of_rage]

Evan joue comme merde

Toi, tu insultes la merde.

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Seulement merde francais or tout les merdes du monde?

La merde francaise, mais certainement toutes les merdes mondiales.

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[KnixtapeH20]

1-8 with Kemba out of the rotation.

Who cares Kemba is beyond washed. That stat is dog **** idk why he's constantly being mentioned like he offers this team any value as a player.

He's worse than Fournier.

What's our record w.o Pinson? Has the same if not more merit

[DaGawd]

Randle is trying not to be a hog. Hevcan't mix things up yet. He more than any Knick needs continuity and a defined role.

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The problem is he struggles to fit in to any role where he isn’t the main hub of the offense.. he needs to be the the de facto point guard so to speak to really play his game freely. He can’t play without the ball in his hands making him a real issue since he isn’t hitting his shot the way he did last season. Just a really tough player to build anything solid around if he isn’t playing like how he did last season which he isn’t by a long shot

You're critiquing the player. Thibs offence sucks. That's the problem with Randle right now. Put him in a better offence and he will be fine.

Knicks play 4 out with their non scoring centre on the dunker's spot. Aside from chucking 3s they have Randle pick and post. But Noel or Robinson's man plays off them in a zone cutting off Randle's passing angles. The bigs don't lift or leave to set off ball screens. And nobody else moves in the offemce.

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I don’t know that all Randle needs is a better offense tho. The pelicans even bought him off the bench so he could run with his own unit instead of playing with AD and sharing the load

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

eeehhh. Rokas is doing pretty well for BCN so far, and definitely scoring more (literally - the pts from the baskets he makes) than expected.

I’m not saying I know what he’ll become, but when a guy is producing for a top international team and his tape looks as good as his my inclination is to at least be hopeful and not disparage his potential

Yeah, I know Rob was schticking but I’m superstitious like that

Nah - sry - I misread/misunderstood your meme - I agree completely with your latest post.

[prophet_of_rage]

The problem is he struggles to fit in to any role where he isn’t the main hub of the offense.. he needs to be the the de facto point guard so to speak to really play his game freely. He can’t play without the ball in his hands making him a real issue since he isn’t hitting his shot the way he did last season. Just a really tough player to build anything solid around if he isn’t playing like how he did last season which he isn’t by a long shot

You're critiquing the player. Thibs offence sucks. That's the problem with Randle right now. Put him in a better offence and he will be fine.

Knicks play 4 out with their non scoring centre on the dunker's spot. Aside from chucking 3s they have Randle pick and post. But Noel or Robinson's man plays off them in a zone cutting off Randle's passing angles. The bigs don't lift or leave to set off ball screens. And nobody else moves in the offemce.

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I don’t know that all Randle needs is a better offense tho. The pelicans even bought him off the bench so he could run with his own unit instead of playing with AD and sharing the load

Randle and Zion play the exact same game. Zion just jumps. The Pels kinda figured an offence for Zion. Randle can be the same.

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[Clyde_Style]

Grimes looked good ... good enough to dump Randle in a trade lol?

Knicks need to just undo the Randle thing and fast. It's not a slump, it's his whole dealio. Put a pick in the deal and just bit the bullet.

I havent been watching yall..has Randle reverted back to tunnell vision bull in a china shop laker version?

No so much the bull in China shop part but definitely holds the ball too long at times and waits until the double team gets to him before committing to making a move which often leads to him turning it over or taking a terrible shot

Maybe he isn’t doing it as much as season 1 but Randle is definitely reverting to spin and strip mode pretty often these days where he dribbles directly into coverage and the defense is waiting with dining bibs and knives and forks ready. It’s pretty bad

[KnixtapeH20]

Super impressed with Grimes’ aggressiveness. He looked like a future star out there.Guessing we get at least one more game of him starting with players in protocol to see if this is fools gold or the real deal.

I can’t remember a free agency period that has flopped more than Kemba + Fournier + resigning Randle. It’s quite remarkable actually how it’s played out.

Unlike most, I still think here is time this season to turn things around but Thibs needs to experiment way more than he has been as opposed to trotting the same stuff out there and expecting a different result. Barring the Knicks letting McBride play more, a lineup of Burks, Grimes, RJ, Obi and Mitch would compete really hard and at least make the other team work. I kind of want to send the folks loafing around (Randle, Fournier, Noel) on a rocket to Jupiter.

LOLLLL, what makes u think Noel could catch a ride?

[Clyde_Style]

1-8 with Kemba out of the rotation.

Who cares Kemba is beyond washed. That stat is dog **** idk why he's constantly being mentioned like he offers this team any value as a player.

He's worse than Fournier.

What's our record w.o Pinson? Has the same if not more merit

And not to mention we’re not winning much lately with Pete Maravich out of the lineup

[DaGawd]

You're critiquing the player. Thibs offence sucks. That's the problem with Randle right now. Put him in a better offence and he will be fine.

Knicks play 4 out with their non scoring centre on the dunker's spot. Aside from chucking 3s they have Randle pick and post. But Noel or Robinson's man plays off them in a zone cutting off Randle's passing angles. The bigs don't lift or leave to set off ball screens. And nobody else moves in the offemce.

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I don’t know that all Randle needs is a better offense tho. The pelicans even bought him off the bench so he could run with his own unit instead of playing with AD and sharing the load

Randle and Zion play the exact same game. Zion just jumps. The Pels kinda figured an offence for Zion. Randle can be the same.

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To be fair that’s not a great comparison not only do their play styles being different but also it negates your point since the pelicans have been trash with Zion

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

1-8 with Kemba out of the rotation.

Who cares Kemba is beyond washed. That stat is dog **** idk why he's constantly being mentioned like he offers this team any value as a player.

He's worse than Fournier.

What's our record w.o Pinson? Has the same if not more merit

This is really the point. What team that's a realistic contender would want decent-shooting-but-gives-back-more-at-the-other-end Kemba? You would have to have a 6-9 rotation chock full of defensive savants but a little underpowered with the shooting that Kemba provides - at PG. I really can't think of any that fit the bill. Who the hell knows who's on the Lakers roster, but I really can't see it anywhere else. Why, eg, would the Nets, 76ers, Nugs or Jazz want him?

[prophet_of_rage]

I don’t know that all Randle needs is a better offense tho. The pelicans even bought him off the bench so he could run with his own unit instead of playing with AD and sharing the load

Randle and Zion play the exact same game. Zion just jumps. The Pels kinda figured an offence for Zion. Randle can be the same.

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To be fair that’s not a great comparison not only do their play styles being different but also it negates your point since the pelicans have been trash with Zion

They've been trash because they are young.

It isn't difficult to play a motion offence with pindown screens for shooters, curk or flare screens. You can put Randle at the high post instead of at a slot.

If you post him get rid of the other centre on the block.

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[louisorr]

I haven't even watched all that much Knicks this year and I can distinctly remember two separate times where Randle had back to back to back turnovers. I wonder if Tim Duncan had back to back to back turnovers once in his career. Point is this isn't the guy you build around.

[HarthorneWingo]

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[BugginOut]

Randle is the 49th highest paid player in the league.

We came into the season knowing he is the 2nd/3rd option on a contender, but we would manage because we have 3 possible 20 point scorers in Kemba, Fournier and RJ. That hasn’t happened.

I can’t in good faith get mad at Randle when there is no one on this roster playing even close to his level. If we get a ball handler better than him and he still sucks, we can have this discussion, but this season is on the FO not Randle.

[HarthorneWingo]

Randle is trying not to be a hog. Hevcan't mix things up yet. He more than any Knick needs continuity and a defined role.

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The problem is he struggles to fit in to any role where he isn’t the main hub of the offense.. he needs to be the the de facto point guard so to speak to really play his game freely. He can’t play without the ball in his hands making him a real issue since he isn’t hitting his shot the way he did last season. Just a really tough player to build anything solid around if he isn’t playing like how he did last season which he isn’t by a long shot

You're critiquing the player. Thibs offence sucks. That's the problem with Randle right now. Put him in a better offence and he will be fine.

Knicks play 4 out with their non scoring centre on the dunker's spot. Aside from chucking 3s they have Randle pick and post. But Noel or Robinson's man plays off them in a zone cutting off Randle's passing angles. The bigs don't lift or leave to set off ball screens. And nobody else moves in the offemce.

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I agree with your assessment but I also think you’re being a little too generous with Randle. He looks so lost out there on the court. A complete loss of confidence and inability to assimilate his game with the team. Moreover, Fournier and Kemba were poor additions, apparently. I was hopeful at the time of the signings but it just hasn’t worked out.

I hope we understand the fallacy of sunk costs.