Randle Trade Talk

[2010]

Jesus, don't use assets to trade Fournier. He'll have legit positive value at some point in the future. He's a terrible defender, but he's a respected shooter that can play off the ball and isn't a destructive force off the court.

Seriously. I don't think Fournier is the problem at all. He's much easier to build with than the current Julius. His role just needs to be tweaked. He should probably come off the bench and just let him get buckets against 2nd units.

His defense is a talking point tho.

[Marty McFly]

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Eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

god damn. these guys are legitimately horrendous at this job. not even a full season after singing a guy they're trying to move him. this **** is embarrassing.

[snadler]

Randle will be easy to trade...it's whether we will be willing to, executives understand nuance they understand not everyone is cut out for the big apple and you think people magically forgot about his all pro season last year , I'm sure thier will be several gms clamoring to trade for him and believe it was just a team structure /New York issue....no asset will be have to be attached, I expect a Car is LeVert level type of player

You’re living in a dream world, Randle is the worst contract in the nba right now..the Knicks will have to unload and asset and take on a bad contract in hopes of ridding themselves of him

That's absolutely incorrect and insane...he's like 48th in per year average

Which nba player is last in net rating making 113 million for the next 4 seasons starting next season. Again he’s the worst contract in the league..you will have to attach IQ or a 1st rounder just to get back also an underachieving high priced player

[dakomish23]

if only we had a 3 and d guy that we couldve re-signed last year on the cheap.

BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Bullock has been terrible for Dallas and $10M isn't cheap for what he's been giving them.

Just play Grimes.

R. Bullock, .J. Randle, .R. Barrett
1594 mins - the largest 3 man combo we had last year
110.4 ORTG
106.5 DRTG
3.9 NRTG

R. Bullock, .J. Randle
1811 mins - the 2nd largest 2 man combo we had last year
109.5 ORTG
106.3 DRTG
3.2 NRTG

R. Bullock, .R. Barrett
1652 mins - the 3rd largest 2 man combo we had last year
110.2 ORTG
106.7 DRTG
3.5 NRTG

But hey, I’m sure his more expensive replacement is doing well with our two main players, right?

E. Fournier, .J. Randle, .R. Barrett
910 mins - highest mins for a 3 man combo this year
108.8 ORTG
114.3 DRTG
-5.5 NRTG

E. Fournier, .J. Randle
1243 mins - highest mins for a 2 man combo this year
107.3 ORTG
111.7 DRTG
-4.4 NRTG

E. Fournier, .R. Barrett
959 mins - 3rd highest mins for a 2 man combo this year
108.0 ORTG
114.2 DRTG
-6.2 NRTG

Money well spent b/c the other guy isn’t doing well on a different team in a different system with different PT. Right???

What does what he has done for DAL matter when discussing keeping him in our system when he was good for us and was a good fit with our two franchise players?

Why settle for just one in Grimes when you could have had two of this archetype that clearly fits well with your 2 main guys?

Context has been and forever will be the enemy of arguments trying to defend bad decisions by this FO.

[dakomish23]

if only we had a 3 and d guy that we couldve re-signed last year on the cheap.

BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ah yes, the myth that Reggie Bullocks would make this team good reappears

Purposely ignoring the historical evidence to say he wouldn’t. Bravo

[2010]

Look how delusional and stubborn Thibs is, it’s really maddening!

Asked after Wednesday’s game if he’s considering making significant changes to his starting unit or rotation, however, Thibodeau replied, “We’ll see. The thing is it’s not just the starters. The bench did some good things. But we need everyone to play well.”

Wtf man!? Someone shove the year long +/- of that unit in his face. What’s wrong wit this dude?

[8516knicks]

I wasn't a Julius hater. He played GREAT last year (except the playoffs -which could have been Thibbs fault). But he seems to not give a sh*t now he got paid. There's only so long we can live with this and his expiration date seems over now.

[snadler]

Fournier Randle Burks Kemba all have to go..with Burks probably the only real movable piece among that collection

[thebuzzardman]

Final thought in flurry of posts.

Thibs is a win now maniac. He'll always advocate for whatever provides the instant gratification of winning right now, future be damned.

Perry I see as Vanilla Spinelessness. Whichever way got argued most successfully he goes with. I think Perry is into some future flexibility but thinks he knows how to get some guys in who can "help", but WE know Perry sucks at team building and is obsessed with bringing in "2nd draft" guys that somehow validate his eye for talent (lolz)

Aller is all about value in trades and I think the rebuild, gathering assets and decent players for the future.

I think that Thibs and Perry briefly allied for this current mess.
Now Thibs is mad at Perry because the team is ass
Leon is on the hotseat and now Aller has the biggest voice, since it's not working.
Perry joins the Aller cause because he's a hack, and also because there's a part of Perry into managing the $ for the future.

Thibs loses out and Knicks will proceed with dealing the vets because Aller, with a bit of Perry, convinced Leon team isn't going anywhere anyway, might as well gain some roster flexibility, pick up some picks, and the W/L record will be about the same, maybe even better.

That's my take on Knicks: Game of Morons

[2010]

You’re living in a dream world, Randle is the worst contract in the nba right now..the Knicks will have to unload and asset and take on a bad contract in hopes of ridding themselves of him

That's absolutely incorrect and insane...he's like 48th in per year average

Which nba player is last in net rating making 113 million for the next 4 seasons starting next season. Again he’s the worst contract in the league..you will have to attach IQ or a 1st rounder just to get back also an underachieving high priced player

Good thing you ain’t the GM.

[thebuzzardman]

Look how delusional and stubborn Thibs is, it’s really maddening!

Asked after Wednesday’s game if he’s considering making significant changes to his starting unit or rotation, however, Thibodeau replied, “We’ll see. The thing is it’s not just the starters. The bench did some good things. But we need everyone to play well.”

Wtf man!? Someone shove the year long +/- of that unit in his face. What’s wrong wit this dude?

Thibs is trying to manage the locker room here. Yes, I think this statement is BS, but he's trying some combo of "all in it together" while also coddling Randle, which I'm sick of.

I don't get it. All I got is Randle's new baby isn't his. Get Maury in here. It's wrecking Randle and Knicks trying to be supportive.

That's my take on "The Knicks: As The Basketball Spins"

[snadler]

That's absolutely incorrect and insane...he's like 48th in per year average

Which nba player is last in net rating making 113 million for the next 4 seasons starting next season. Again he’s the worst contract in the league..you will have to attach IQ or a 1st rounder just to get back also an underachieving high priced player

Good thing you ain’t the GM.

You mean the gm who could have just waited to extend Randle before giving him an untradeable contract? Or Fournier and his no defense inconsistent play? Or Noel who can’t stay healthy? Or Burks who can’t see straight? Or Kemba on one leg? Are you sure?

[Sark]

I can't think of a single team in the NBA that would want him, and that he would want to go to. He's going to want to be a #1 option, and I don't see him stepping back into a #2 or #3 role.

[dakomish23]

Fournier Randle Burks Kemba all have to go..with Burks probably the only real movable piece among that collection

Kemba might be able to be moved b/c his cap number is so low and someone might see just the shooting % and say f it, we can use him off the bench.

Randle I think will draw interest but not league wide. Specific teams might feel he’s a fit long term and they’ll feel they’re buying low.

Idk who’s taking Fournier.

[thebuzzardman]

BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ah yes, the myth that Reggie Bullocks would make this team good reappears

Purposely ignoring the historical evidence to say he wouldn’t. Bravo

Sorry. Not into the Bullocks nuthugging. He was an OK player who played decent defense and had no offensive game other than spotting up for 3's.

It was fine if they kept him to come off the bench. Knicks needed an upgrade at SG. A player who has some semblance of all around game. Unfortunately, when you let Scott Perry make these decisions, he goes and gets Evan Fournier.

Just because Fournier was a dumb idea and Randle is a giant b*tch who doesn't like playing with players who just stand around waiting for his passes or feed him the ball (Bullocks and Elf) doesn't make Bullocks suddenly really good.

He's ok. Grimes is better.

[nykfan42]

Is Wall even healthy enough to play?

Honestly it doesn't even matter lol

Let Deuce play until he is. But again Thibs... So idk if he's even capable of making any changes

Haha i totally agree. Anything that gets him out of here. So sick of Randle

[duetta]

I wonder if Dolan was behind the signing of Randle?

[KnixtapeH20]

Jesus, don't use assets to trade Fournier. He'll have legit positive value at some point in the future. He's a terrible defender, but he's a respected shooter that can play off the ball and isn't a destructive force off the court.

Seriously. I don't think Fournier is the problem at all. He's much easier to build with than the current Julius. His role just needs to be tweaked. He should probably come off the bench and just let him get buckets against 2nd units.

This is why I want to move Burks. So Fournier could take that role. Then I realize Thibs is coach and the only way to stop him starting either of these guys is to trade them both.

LOOOOOOOOOL Exactly. Fucc thibs man the guy just compounds problems for no reason.

It's like if u have a 2001 Ford piece of **** and you use it for food deliveries 4 days a week over your brand new 2022 BMW... Of course you're gona have nothing but problems. Now if u use that 01' for local driving/shopping, you could make due.

[2010]

Which nba player is last in net rating making 113 million for the next 4 seasons starting next season. Again he’s the worst contract in the league..you will have to attach IQ or a 1st rounder just to get back also an underachieving high priced player

Good thing you ain’t the GM.

You mean the gm who could have just waited to extend Randle before giving him an untradeable contract? Or Fournier and his no defense inconsistent play? Or Noel who can’t stay healthy? Or Burks who can’t see straight? Or Kemba on one leg? Are you sure?

Make no mistake, Leon-Perry-WWW are looking terrible too. But that doesn’t take away the fact that we are blessed you aren’t the lead decision-maker as well. If you are going into it conceding to move Randle, assets will need to be attached and we will also bite the bullet on whatever our return is, then you’ve already lost all negotiations before even answering a single call.

Look at how Morey is going about things. Dude has a player who refused to report, openly demanded a trade, sees a psychologist citing mental health issues, has a rep for a bad attitude and approach to the game, and cannot shoot to save his life while making north of $40 million annually. He seemingly has zero leverage. Yet this man has managed to generate interest from half the NBA and is demanding a king’s ransom in return for Simmons while leveraging offers against each other.

Again, it’s all about approach. Your mindset is you’re going into the room with Vaseline in your hand, your belt already unbuckled, and a hunchback willing to be the one bent over.

[snadler]

Are the Knicks preventing Randle from speaking to so he doesn’t say anything to hurt his already diminished trade value