Jalen Brunson obsession

[KnixtapeH20]

And what happens if he can't run PG, then what?

Who cares we're not going anywhere next season anyway, it's about development. If he can't, that answers that question and you look elsewhere. He's shown he can worst case scenario do an ok job running point.... Even worst case scenario he's our best option. He's far from a worst case scenario, dont sleep on quick.

So pass on the superior player to see if IQ can do it?

Superior player right now, yes. But I'm of the opinion that his production will be a lot like Brunson but a better scorer. Brunson might facilitate better right now but I'd like to give Quick the chance to show us what he can do finally as a starter, not 6 starts in two **** years. His confidence grew the latter part of the season just the same as Obi's did.

If I thought Brunson was this unbelievable talent I'd be happy to tell IQ to kick rocks you're a sg... But I don't see Brunson like that maybe I'm still an unbeliever in the kid but good for him hes been balling. Def don't wanna get into a bidding war over him.

[BBALLER4FR]

You guys keep saying he's shown that he can, yeah against second units. There's 1 massive problem with his game that some of you don't seem to see, it's that he can't and doesn't get to the rim. How many starting PGs in the league don't put pressure on the rim?

He would have been fine if our coach gave him a starting role. I have no doubts he would have struggled but Quickly would have recognized it, put in work and we'd be good. But Thibs spent the last 2 season insisting Quickley couldn't be a starter. Quick not having experience against starters doesn't mean he can't be successful there. It means our coach has determined he won't get a chance to prove it.

IQ gets to the rim less than Alec Burks, this is probably one of the reasons why he didn't start. He was at 9% of his shots coming within 0-3 feet of the rim, that would be the lowest number by a starting PG if he started, lower than a 35 year old Kyle Lowry. The lack of rim pressure from him is a real problem and not something you just develop, you either get there or you don't.

So are you saying Burkes is a better PG than IQ? Analytics Does iQ draw a double team? Can he run pick/roll? Can he find the open guy? Can he shoot? Can he score inside (floater)? Can he draw fouls...and hit them? Is his defense anywhere near acceptable? Why people hone in on one thing to disprove something I'll never understand.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Who cares we're not going anywhere next season anyway, it's about development. If he can't, that answers that question and you look elsewhere. He's shown he can worst case scenario do an ok job running point.... Even worst case scenario he's our best option. He's far from a worst case scenario, dont sleep on quick.

So pass on the superior player to see if IQ can do it?

Superior player right now, yes. But I'm of the opinion that his production will be a lot like Brunson but a better scorer. Brunson might facilitate better right now but I'd like to give Quick the chance to show us what he can do finally as a starter, not 6 starts in two **** years. His confidence grew the latter part of the season just the same as Obi's did.

If I thought Brunson was this unbelievable talent I'd be happy to tell IQ to kick rocks you're a sg... But I don't see Brunson like that maybe I'm still an unbeliever in the kid but good for him hes been balling. Def don't wanna get into a bidding war over him.

He's the superior player without any need to wait and see if he can develop, at the same age Brunson was getting to the rim 2x the rate IQ is. Sorry man, but you think IQ is a comparable talent to Maxey, so of course you're going to think his production will be similar.

I cannot stress this enough, IQ simply does not get to the rim, there are no starting PGs with his shot profile.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He would have been fine if our coach gave him a starting role. I have no doubts he would have struggled but Quickly would have recognized it, put in work and we'd be good. But Thibs spent the last 2 season insisting Quickley couldn't be a starter. Quick not having experience against starters doesn't mean he can't be successful there. It means our coach has determined he won't get a chance to prove it.

IQ gets to the rim less than Alec Burks, this is probably one of the reasons why he didn't start. He was at 9% of his shots coming within 0-3 feet of the rim, that would be the lowest number by a starting PG if he started, lower than a 35 year old Kyle Lowry. The lack of rim pressure from him is a real problem and not something you just develop, you either get there or you don't.

So are you saying Burkes is a better PG than IQ? Analytics Does iQ draw a double team? Can he run pick/roll? Can he find the open guy? Can he shoot? Can he score inside (floater)? Can he draw fouls...and hit them? Is his defense anywhere near acceptable? Why people hone in on one thing to disprove something I'll never understand.

A PG that can't get to the rim won't be starting very long, there isn't another starting PG that gets to the rim at such a low rate. Burks isn't a PG, the point is that he got to the rim more than IQ, which is not a good sign for someone who is supposed to be a starting PG. IQ's shot profile is more similar to Fournier's than it is any starting PG, what do you think will happen when teams figure out our starting PG doesn't take mid range jumpers, and doesn't get all the way to the rim.

And spare me the "He can develop" getting to the rim, guys who can slash do so from day 1, even if they're struggling to finish their shot profiles stay relatively the same. Brunson for example as a rookie took 44% of his shots within 10 feet or less of the rim, he took 41% of them there this season, IQ took 22% of them there this season (Burks 25%).

[KnixtapeH20]

So pass on the superior player to see if IQ can do it?

Superior player right now, yes. But I'm of the opinion that his production will be a lot like Brunson but a better scorer. Brunson might facilitate better right now but I'd like to give Quick the chance to show us what he can do finally as a starter, not 6 starts in two **** years. His confidence grew the latter part of the season just the same as Obi's did.

If I thought Brunson was this unbelievable talent I'd be happy to tell IQ to kick rocks you're a sg... But I don't see Brunson like that maybe I'm still an unbeliever in the kid but good for him hes been balling. Def don't wanna get into a bidding war over him.

He's the superior player without any need to wait and see if he can develop, at the same age Brunson was getting to the rim 2x the rate IQ is. Sorry man, but you think IQ is a comparable talent to Maxey, so of course you're going to think his production will be similar.

I cannot stress this enough, IQ simply does not get to the rim, there are no starting PGs with his shot profile.

He started getting there the latter part of the season. U wanna call it a fluke ok no problem with that. Let's see what he works on this off season. He's a different player when he's the starting point.

I like Maxey more than Brunson, so I def think IQ can be a better player than Brunson. IQ deserves a chance to start. Next season should be developmental and feel good. Guarantee u we'll surprise if we play the right players. Tough to say right now bc we don't know who's leaving and who's staying.

This years team minus Randle with the right starters is already a better team.

[Clyde_Style]

Jalen Bruson Obsession is my favorite cologne

I bet it smells just like the Crow you'll be eating if we get him.

I no longer have opinions

Those are for the Real GMs that haunt this place

[KnixtapeH20]

NoDope do u think IQ can develop a mid range game?

I not only know he can but I think we'll see it a lot more this next season. You started seeing him show signs of better point guard olay, like keeping his dribble. Once he stopped thinking so much out there he stopped dribbling the ball into the middle and getting stuck/turned around.

Once he develops that midrange it'll open up his game. He has touch from everywhere it would be crazy to think he can't add that

[whocares1]

NoDope do u think IQ can develop a mid range game?

I not only know he can but I think we'll see it a lot more this next season. You started seeing him show signs of better point guard olay, like keeping his dribble. Once he stopped thinking so much out there he stopped dribbling the ball into the middle and getting stuck/turned around.

Once he develops that midrange it'll open up his game. He has touch from everywhere it would be crazy to think he can't add that

I honestly think if he becomes a consistent three point shooter then he will be a threat at the rim as well. IQ missed a ton of three pointers early in the season that were essentially wide open. If he becomes consistent then teams will be forced to play him up and he definitely has a quick first step. Will open his inside game and his passing.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Superior player right now, yes. But I'm of the opinion that his production will be a lot like Brunson but a better scorer. Brunson might facilitate better right now but I'd like to give Quick the chance to show us what he can do finally as a starter, not 6 starts in two **** years. His confidence grew the latter part of the season just the same as Obi's did.

If I thought Brunson was this unbelievable talent I'd be happy to tell IQ to kick rocks you're a sg... But I don't see Brunson like that maybe I'm still an unbeliever in the kid but good for him hes been balling. Def don't wanna get into a bidding war over him.

He's the superior player without any need to wait and see if he can develop, at the same age Brunson was getting to the rim 2x the rate IQ is. Sorry man, but you think IQ is a comparable talent to Maxey, so of course you're going to think his production will be similar.

I cannot stress this enough, IQ simply does not get to the rim, there are no starting PGs with his shot profile.

He started getting there the latter part of the season. U wanna call it a fluke ok no problem with that. Let's see what he works on this off season. He's a different player when he's the starting point.

I like Maxey more than Brunson, so I def think IQ can be a better player than Brunson. IQ deserves a chance to start. Next season should be developmental and feel good. Guarantee u we'll surprise if we play the right players. Tough to say right now bc we don't know who's leaving and who's staying.

This years team minus Randle with the right starters is already a better team.

He didn't really get to the rim that much more, he went from 0.8 shots pre all-star in the restricted area to 1.1 post all-star, that is a dreadful number. That is more in line with Shake Milton (1.3 in 21mpg) who plays the same type of minutes and who the Sixers experimented starting at PG 2 years ago, it didn't work.

He's a 1 level scorer, he either hits the three or relies on the foul. You have to put pressure on the rim as a starting point guard, especially you also want to develop Grimes as a 3 & D guy.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

NoDope do u think IQ can develop a mid range game?

I not only know he can but I think we'll see it a lot more this next season. You started seeing him show signs of better point guard olay, like keeping his dribble. Once he stopped thinking so much out there he stopped dribbling the ball into the middle and getting stuck/turned around.

Once he develops that midrange it'll open up his game. He has touch from everywhere it would be crazy to think he can't add that

I don't know, he doesn't even shoot mid-range jumpers. Like how can you know beyond a shadow of a doubt he's going to develop something that he doesn't even have in his game at this point. This is like when people were waiting on Mitch to shoot threes.

[KnixtapeH20]

NoDope do u think IQ can develop a mid range game?

I not only know he can but I think we'll see it a lot more this next season. You started seeing him show signs of better point guard olay, like keeping his dribble. Once he stopped thinking so much out there he stopped dribbling the ball into the middle and getting stuck/turned around.

Once he develops that midrange it'll open up his game. He has touch from everywhere it would be crazy to think he can't add that

I don't know, he doesn't even shoot mid-range jumpers. Like how can you know beyond a shadow of a doubt he's going to develop something that he doesn't even have in his game at this point. This is like when people were waiting on Mitch to shoot threes.

Lmao I'd say there's a slight a difference IQ's a shooter but point taken. I just feel like he has it in his repertoire since he has touch from the line, from 3, his floater, his lobs...

[8516knicks]

Just an aside. Brunson won 2 national championships at Nova. What has any Kentucky player won since AD despite having all the 5 stars money can buy??

[KnixtapeH20]

He's the superior player without any need to wait and see if he can develop, at the same age Brunson was getting to the rim 2x the rate IQ is. Sorry man, but you think IQ is a comparable talent to Maxey, so of course you're going to think his production will be similar.

I cannot stress this enough, IQ simply does not get to the rim, there are no starting PGs with his shot profile.

He started getting there the latter part of the season. U wanna call it a fluke ok no problem with that. Let's see what he works on this off season. He's a different player when he's the starting point.

I like Maxey more than Brunson, so I def think IQ can be a better player than Brunson. IQ deserves a chance to start. Next season should be developmental and feel good. Guarantee u we'll surprise if we play the right players. Tough to say right now bc we don't know who's leaving and who's staying.

This years team minus Randle with the right starters is already a better team.

He didn't really get to the rim that much more, he went from 0.8 shots pre all-star in the restricted area to 1.1 post all-star, that is a dreadful number. That is more in line with Shake Milton (1.3 in 21mpg) who plays the same type of minutes and who the Sixers experimented starting at PG 2 years ago, it didn't work.

He's a 1 level scorer, he either hits the three or relies on the foul. You have to put pressure on the rim as a starting point guard, especially you also want to develop Grimes as a 3 & D guy.

I just think that's not his game idk if he can't necessarily get to the rim. He does have trouble getting past his defender 1 on 1 w.o a screen..

So are u on record u don't wanna see him get the opportunity next season at point? You'd keep him at sg or u want him traded in some type of package?

[HarthorneWingo]

What? And pass on a power forward?

If we don't sign Mitch, I'd like to grab either Duren or Mark Williams.

Jesus losing Mitch and drafting a center is absolutely disgusting

You want more wings or PGs?

[8516knicks]

If we don't sign Mitch, I'd like to grab either Duren or Mark Williams.

Jesus losing Mitch and drafting a center is absolutely disgusting

You want more wings or PGs?

Breasts and thighs.

[KnixtapeH20]

NoDope do u think IQ can develop a mid range game?

I not only know he can but I think we'll see it a lot more this next season. You started seeing him show signs of better point guard olay, like keeping his dribble. Once he stopped thinking so much out there he stopped dribbling the ball into the middle and getting stuck/turned around.

Once he develops that midrange it'll open up his game. He has touch from everywhere it would be crazy to think he can't add that

I honestly think if he becomes a consistent three point shooter then he will be a threat at the rim as well. IQ missed a ton of three pointers early in the season that were essentially wide open. If he becomes consistent then teams will be forced to play him up and he definitely has a quick first step. Will open his inside game and his passing.

Agreed except for the quick first step. It's the fact that he doesn't combined with his lack of dribble that keeps him from getting past his man with ease

[KnixtapeH20]

If we don't sign Mitch, I'd like to grab either Duren or Mark Williams.

Jesus losing Mitch and drafting a center is absolutely disgusting

You want more wings or PGs?

Just really don't wanna lose a dominant center like Mitch when he's so young and fits our time line perfectly.

[HarthorneWingo]

You guys keep saying he's shown that he can, yeah against second units. There's 1 massive problem with his game that some of you don't seem to see, it's that he can't and doesn't get to the rim. How many starting PGs in the league don't put pressure on the rim?

He would have been fine if our coach gave him a starting role. I have no doubts he would have struggled but Quickly would have recognized it, put in work and we'd be good. But Thibs spent the last 2 season insisting Quickley couldn't be a starter. Quick not having experience against starters doesn't mean he can't be successful there. It means our coach has determined he won't get a chance to prove it.

IQ gets to the rim less than Alec Burks, this is probably one of the reasons why he didn't start. He was at 9% of his shots coming within 0-3 feet of the rim, that would be the lowest number by a starting PG if he started, lower than a 35 year old Kyle Lowry. The lack of rim pressure from him is a real problem and not something you just develop, you either get there or you don't.

I haven’t checked the stats but my eye test says he’s getting better at it.

Moreover, IQ does things better than other PGs do. He rebounds extremely well for a PG and that once he has the ball he attacks immediately.

Finally, I think that the chemistry is excellent between him and the other young players.

[RHODEY]

Jalen Bruson Obsession is my favorite cologne

I bet it smells just like the Crow you'll be eating if we get him.

I no longer have opinions

Those are for the Real GMs that haunt this place

Sorry I was confusing you with Buzzardman.

[thebuzzardman]

NoDope do u think IQ can develop a mid range game?

I not only know he can but I think we'll see it a lot more this next season. You started seeing him show signs of better point guard olay, like keeping his dribble. Once he stopped thinking so much out there he stopped dribbling the ball into the middle and getting stuck/turned around.

Once he develops that midrange it'll open up his game. He has touch from everywhere it would be crazy to think he can't add that

I don't know, he doesn't even shoot mid-range jumpers. Like how can you know beyond a shadow of a doubt he's going to develop something that he doesn't even have in his game at this point. This is like when people were waiting on Mitch to shoot threes.

He started shooting some mid range jumpers towards the end of the year. Not a lot, but a few pull ups or a turnaround or pivot kind of jumper off a drive. Not a lot and I'm not going to make a big deal out of it, but it at least looks like either IQ or someone on the Knicks pointed it out and tried to work on it some. Maybe it's the beginning of building that up for him and it sticks.

Oh wait. All the young Knicks suck. Sorry for discussing them. Don't know what got into me. Knicks are doomed.