Post-game : Knicks beat the breaks off the NJ nets while Ben Simmons was shook

[Deeeez Knicks]

I hate that we keep talking about this but the Knicks extended RJ prior to Utah making the deal with Clev. Negotiations had to start over, or end as they did. A lot of people killed the Knicks for that, but they had a price and deadline and walked away from the deal that was being negotiated.

regardless of your feelings of RJ. However it happened. Whether they intended to completely walk away by eventually signing RJ to the extension or they were trying to use there last leverage player to Utah...it worked out for the better.

I love Donovan Mitchell but lets be honest...Brunson would not be this Brunson with Mitchell. That might be a bit good fortune because Mitchell is a huge offensive weapon. But now Brunson is just as good IMO. And now we can better use our assets and resources to find a better fit to put us over the top.

Yea, a lot of things would have been different. Our depth and chemistry has been a huge reason for successs. That all changes.

Good point on IQ too. If he stayed, there wouldn't be many min for him. A good chance he would have been moved anyway.

It's one of those things what we will never know. Just kinda silly to revisit in every thread when this team is rolling

[GONYK]

No. Not sure what your point is. They hesitated on the price.

Or they just got greedy

I mean if I see a guy selling a car on the internet for $10,000 and I want the car and think that’s a good price but think hey, I’m slick, I’m a wheeler and dealer, I’m going to haggle this guy down to $9,000, and then while we are having a back and forth someone offers the whole $10,000 and they sell it out from under me, it doesn’t mean I thought the initial price was unfair, I just got greedy

Leon didn’t want to be viewed as “the guy who got ripped off by ainge” and decided he wanted to wheel and deal (not necessarily a bad thing, we want him to get us good deals) and in the meantime another team decided they were willing to pay the full asking price. So we didn’t get the car

Now we can only hope Leon has a plan B

We could be watching plan B right now. They made Grimes untouchable for DM and signed RJ so maybe this is plan A and DMitchell was a fun trade to toy around with. They had Rosas negotiate who we assume is not as important/qualified as Leon...who knows

Rosas is the most qualified. He's been a FO exec for 20 years and was the POBO of Minny's turnaround before he got too horny.

[TheGreenArrow]

If Philly loses in the playoffs early again, I don't think Joel will give them a choice.

Even if he does, no way Philly moves him to a division rival. Philly and New York are not making a huge trade like that.

Nevermind the Embiid pipe dream. I’d pursue this deal:

RJ Barrett
+ draft capital

— FOR —

Trey Murphy III
Jose Alvarado
Josh Richardson
Jaxson Hayes (expiring)

This is more in the mold of how our team is being built. Murphy is still ascending and can play off anyone seamlessly — he plays team ball better than RJ and is way more efficient. Alvarado is from NYC and just feels like a Knick! Richardson will only have 1 year left on his deal and Hayes is an expiring.

The math works and I believe David Griffin would pull the trigger on this. It reunites RJ with Zion (good PR) and it thins the herd for a too deep Pelicans team. The draft capital is gravy and would make him feel like he won the deal (when in actuality he wouldn’t). RJ would replace Murphy as a young wing and the Pelicans already have Dyson Daniels to replace Alvarado.

I’m pounding the table and screaming at the top of my lungs that this trade would make us so good and put us over the top without star phuccing. We would assemble the greatest fluidly playing team since the Knicks two 70s championship squads. And they would all be young and in position to grow for years as perennial beasts of the East!

If ya’ll were smitten with the Randle | Bullock two-man game then just close your eyes and imagine Randle | Murphy doing the same.

DREAM WITH ME
Brunson | Alvarado
Grimes | Quickley
Murphy III | Hart
Randle | Toppin
Robinson | Hartenstein

…that TEAM is coming out of the East.

I’m in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get it done Leon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GONYK]

I hate that we keep talking about this but the Knicks extended RJ prior to Utah making the deal with Clev. Negotiations had to start over, or end as they did. A lot of people killed the Knicks for that, but they had a price and deadline and walked away from the deal that was being negotiated.

regardless of your feelings of RJ. However it happened. Whether they intended to completely walk away by eventually signing RJ to the extension or they were trying to use there last leverage player to Utah...it worked out for the better.

I love Donovan Mitchell but lets be honest...Brunson would not be this Brunson with Mitchell. That might be a bit good fortune because Mitchell is a huge offensive weapon. But now Brunson is just as good IMO. And now we can better use our assets and resources to find a better fit to put us over the top.

Yea, a lot of things would have been different. Our depth and chemistry has been a huge reason for successs. That all changes.

Good point on IQ too. If he stayed, there wouldn't be many min for him. A good chance he would have been moved anyway.

It's one of those things what we will never know. Just kinda silly to revisit in every thread when this team is rolling

Wasn't IQ a part of the deal at some point?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Or they just got greedy

I mean if I see a guy selling a car on the internet for $10,000 and I want the car and think that’s a good price but think hey, I’m slick, I’m a wheeler and dealer, I’m going to haggle this guy down to $9,000, and then while we are having a back and forth someone offers the whole $10,000 and they sell it out from under me, it doesn’t mean I thought the initial price was unfair, I just got greedy

Leon didn’t want to be viewed as “the guy who got ripped off by ainge” and decided he wanted to wheel and deal (not necessarily a bad thing, we want him to get us good deals) and in the meantime another team decided they were willing to pay the full asking price. So we didn’t get the car

Now we can only hope Leon has a plan B

We could be watching plan B right now. They made Grimes untouchable for DM and signed RJ so maybe this is plan A and DMitchell was a fun trade to toy around with. They had Rosas negotiate who we assume is not as important/qualified as Leon...who knows

Leon has a lot of connections around the league and with CAA

I gotta believe he’s thinking he could afford to not get Donovan and still have someone else on the back burner he can entice to be here in the coming years. We heard a lot of chatter about him looking at 2024 for something. At least that’s me being optimistic.

Plus now we have a pretty solid team nobody will think isn’t worth adding to. And we will have a better idea who our keepers are

And yeah I have no idea about the Rosas thing.

My view is that they are stumbling around in the dark and lucking out.

When Dallas didn't offer Brunson 55/4 when they could have done he was 100% certain to sign for the Knicks, for better or wise for the Knicks. I have no belief the Knicks thought as highly as I did of JB at this time last year, let's say, partly because there's no coherent "the Knicks".

I don't believe they were confident in Randle for this year, just had nowhere to go.

That's in part because I don't believe that stats people are playing key roles in Knicks decisions. Or else they would somehow have dumped the robot by now. Which is the #1 priority. You can't, now, just cut him and stretch 107m over 7 years .. but you'd have to keep calculating it.

IQ was able to thrive under Thibs. I don't give Thibs "credit" for that ... it's just fortune, luck, others would and have anti-thrived under Thibs.

I'm not really that interested in the Mitchell trade per se. But the fact that they persisted so long and didn't complete over the details also didn't point to high competence.

[Deeeez Knicks]

regardless of your feelings of RJ. However it happened. Whether they intended to completely walk away by eventually signing RJ to the extension or they were trying to use there last leverage player to Utah...it worked out for the better.

I love Donovan Mitchell but lets be honest...Brunson would not be this Brunson with Mitchell. That might be a bit good fortune because Mitchell is a huge offensive weapon. But now Brunson is just as good IMO. And now we can better use our assets and resources to find a better fit to put us over the top.

Yea, a lot of things would have been different. Our depth and chemistry has been a huge reason for successs. That all changes.

Good point on IQ too. If he stayed, there wouldn't be many min for him. A good chance he would have been moved anyway.

It's one of those things what we will never know. Just kinda silly to revisit in every thread when this team is rolling

Wasn't IQ a part of the deal at some point?

Either IQ or Grimes. With Grimes untouchable, it would have been IQ. The pick we used to get Hart would be gone too.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Or they just got greedy

I mean if I see a guy selling a car on the internet for $10,000 and I want the car and think that’s a good price but think hey, I’m slick, I’m a wheeler and dealer, I’m going to haggle this guy down to $9,000, and then while we are having a back and forth someone offers the whole $10,000 and they sell it out from under me, it doesn’t mean I thought the initial price was unfair, I just got greedy

Leon didn’t want to be viewed as “the guy who got ripped off by ainge” and decided he wanted to wheel and deal (not necessarily a bad thing, we want him to get us good deals) and in the meantime another team decided they were willing to pay the full asking price. So we didn’t get the car

Now we can only hope Leon has a plan B

We could be watching plan B right now. They made Grimes untouchable for DM and signed RJ so maybe this is plan A and DMitchell was a fun trade to toy around with. They had Rosas negotiate who we assume is not as important/qualified as Leon...who knows

Rosas is the most qualified. He's been a FO exec for 20 years and was the POBO of Minny's turnaround before he got too horny.

Yeah. Assuming he had the authority to act, Rosas is probably the least of any problems from a deal making pov. (Ldo, completely uninformed opinion outside of what one can read in the unreliable msm. But w/e.)

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Yea, a lot of things would have been different. Our depth and chemistry has been a huge reason for successs. That all changes.

Good point on IQ too. If he stayed, there wouldn't be many min for him. A good chance he would have been moved anyway.

It's one of those things what we will never know. Just kinda silly to revisit in every thread when this team is rolling

Wasn't IQ a part of the deal at some point?

Either IQ or Grimes. With Grimes untouchable, it would have been IQ. The pick we used to get Hart would be gone too.

Dallas pick was projected to be worse than the Knicks one at deal fine?

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[nykfan42]

The Nets are pretty trash. I would expect them to drop several spots. They're high enough where they can still be in the play in but they suck. Did Dinwiddie do ANYTHING last night besides get completely toasted by Brunson? What a clown. Fake tough guy talking trash about the Knicks when his team is literal trash.

Anyway, wow. We are GOOD man. Real good. What an amazing start to the game. Hitting EVERYTHING. Grimes, Randle, MVP Brunson etc. Brunson is the engine that keeps this team going. Randle's playing great too but the success and his success is absolutely bc of Brunson. It was robbery that he didn't make the All Star team and play in that no defense "game". He is so tough, he plays hurt and played through that bump to the knee. He was limping and then he played the best half of basketball in his life. This is fun to watch.

10 games over .500 and rising. I said they can get to the 4 seed a while back when they were at like the 7 or 8 seed. This is very attainable now. Would be great to beat the Cavs and Mitchell in the playoffs and put that non-trade to bed. We gotta win a playoff series whoever it's against. The only team that would be tough for us is the Bucks.

The Nets suck!

[mpharris36]

regardless of your feelings of RJ. However it happened. Whether they intended to completely walk away by eventually signing RJ to the extension or they were trying to use there last leverage player to Utah...it worked out for the better.

I love Donovan Mitchell but lets be honest...Brunson would not be this Brunson with Mitchell. That might be a bit good fortune because Mitchell is a huge offensive weapon. But now Brunson is just as good IMO. And now we can better use our assets and resources to find a better fit to put us over the top.

Yea, a lot of things would have been different. Our depth and chemistry has been a huge reason for successs. That all changes.

Good point on IQ too. If he stayed, there wouldn't be many min for him. A good chance he would have been moved anyway.

It's one of those things what we will never know. Just kinda silly to revisit in every thread when this team is rolling

Wasn't IQ a part of the deal at some point?

Not sure.

I think RJ and Mitch a draft picks was the reported 1st iteration.

Then it turned to RJ and Grimes plus picks and swaps.

I don't remember IQ specifically being in the deal but Begley originally reported it was RJ + Mitch at the beginning of the process. Which again wouldn't have been good for the knicks either. Mitch is so important to this team.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Wasn't IQ a part of the deal at some point?

Either IQ or Grimes. With Grimes untouchable, it would have been IQ. The pick we used to get Hart would be gone too.

Dallas pick was projected to be worse than the Knicks one at deal fine?

That would have been gone too. Stein reported Ainge wanted 7 firsts from the Knicks.

Donovan Mitchell Trade Rumors: Jazz's Danny Ainge Eyed 7 of Knicks' 1st-Round Picks

That matches with what Woj reported
RJ
IQ (or Grimes and 1 pick gets protected)
3 unprotected firsts
2 pick swaps
2025 mil pick
2 2nd round picks
Fournier
1 other first to move Fournier to a 3rd team (Dallas pick)

When guard Immanuel Quickley was proposed as a replacement for Grimes in the trade, Utah wanted three unprotected first-round draft picks as part of the package -- but New York would only do a third first-round pick that included top-five protections, sources said. Those packages would've included Milwaukee's 2025 first-round pick, two second-round picks, two pick swaps and two expiring contracts from a third team, sources said. New York would've moved out Evan Fournier and a first-round pick to a third team to spare Utah taking on Fournier's remaining $37 million, sources said.

[sol537]

Line in the sand. I'm proud of the front office for not overpaying for Spida. Finally, what we've all been asking for... a front office with a spine. Slowly, but surely, the narrative is finally turning around in NY. I hope the days of being the league's doormat is over for good.

Next up is to have big name players angle their way to NYK like KD & crew did with Brooklyn and like Lebron and AD did in LA. NYK needs to be one of those "must go to" destinations again and that is how we'll, one day, get to that promise land. I never thought I'd see it in my lifetime but there is indeed hope at the end of the tunnel... "Don't do that... don't give me hope..." -Hawkeye

[nykfan42]

Ppl were really trashing the Hart deal. Not just here but all over RGM.

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I can’t wait till he takes over for Eric Adams

Did they? I liked it immediately knowing he's a good solid player. He's better than I thought. I love him.

[8516knicks]

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This is ground control to Major Tom
You've really made the grade
And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear
But it's time to guide the capsule if you dare

[Fury]

Or they just got greedy

I mean if I see a guy selling a car on the internet for $10,000 and I want the car and think that’s a good price but think hey, I’m slick, I’m a wheeler and dealer, I’m going to haggle this guy down to $9,000, and then while we are having a back and forth someone offers the whole $10,000 and they sell it out from under me, it doesn’t mean I thought the initial price was unfair, I just got greedy

Leon didn’t want to be viewed as “the guy who got ripped off by ainge” and decided he wanted to wheel and deal (not necessarily a bad thing, we want him to get us good deals) and in the meantime another team decided they were willing to pay the full asking price. So we didn’t get the car

Now we can only hope Leon has a plan B

Two paragraphs of conjecture

Fact: They hesitated on the price

Well I deeply regret wasting my time typing it that’s for sure

It’s not a fact, you don’t know their mindset

So why did they not meet the price? What word would you like to use?

[stuporman]

The Knicks still have like 10 frp over the next 5 years, just as many 2nds, cap flexibility as the $30 million in non-rotation vet contracts come off the books along with a couple of their prime contributors are on declining salary deals.

They are pushing the top of the east while having so many options still open to them in adding to the core that would have been erased by going all in on Mitchell. They botched the negotiations but kinda stumbled into it being better off for them.

Everyone needs to bookmark this and look at it every morning because it's good medicine...

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[Deeeez Knicks]

one was a free agent. if they could have signed mitchell outright too, or the jazz took their first offer, you think they would have hesitated ?

No. Not sure what your point is. They hesitated on the price.

Or they just got greedy

I mean if I see a guy selling a car on the internet for $10,000 and I want the car and think that’s a good price but think hey, I’m slick, I’m a wheeler and dealer, I’m going to haggle this guy down to $9,000, and then while we are having a back and forth someone offers the whole $10,000 and they sell it out from under me, it doesn’t mean I thought the initial price was unfair, I just got greedy

Leon didn’t want to be viewed as “the guy who got ripped off by ainge” and decided he wanted to wheel and deal (not necessarily a bad thing, we want him to get us good deals) and in the meantime another team decided they were willing to pay the full asking price. So we didn’t get the car

Now we can only hope Leon has a plan B

Do we really always trust the car salesman?

There is also the possibility that Ainge was trying to rip us off and was negotiating in bad faith. He may have been charging us the tourist /sucker price.

[robillionaire]

Two paragraphs of conjecture

Fact: They hesitated on the price

Well I deeply regret wasting my time typing it that’s for sure

It’s not a fact, you don’t know their mindset

So why did they not meet the price? What word would you like to use?

I don’t know why. We don’t know

Maybe it is as you say and they did hesitate on the price and never would have agreed to pay full price, I offered an alternative possible explanation as well which I think lines up with the report that they were “shocked” the deal didn’t get done. Maybe eventually Leon would have caved in and paid the asking price but we never got the chance to find out because someone else paid up first. But we don’t know

[TheGreenArrow]

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