PG: Knicks unclutch fall to Magic, Randle and Divo miss crucial freethrows

[Fat Kat]

Shoutout to Thibs for pulling DiVo in the 3rd when he was on a roll. Can’t have him playing more minutes than Josh Hart

[Richard4444]

Between the Hart and DDV acquisitions, management broke the confidence of Grimes. He's not the same player he was last season. That's the bottom line. They broke his confidence.

This statement does not make too much sense. It's a wild speculation. It is an excuse to criticize the Front Office for not liking them. We do not know why Grimes is playing poorly and if it is because of the new competition, it would not be a Front Office mistake. It would reveal a huge fragility in Grimes's persona.

1) Grimes is a third-year player. To begin with, players in their age tend to be inconsistent. Besides, he never showed great versatility in creating his shot, creating for others, or penetrating the defense.

2) The Front Office showed great confidence in Grimes. They refused to include him in Donovan"s trade talk.

3) The Front Office always has to try to improve the team. They can not be blamed for getting Hart and DDV.

4) Grimes, as a a professional, has to understand that the team is always getting new players, his minutes can be reduced because the team wants to be a contender and he is still raw. He can not be so fragile to be affected by the arrival of new players.

[duetta]

This statement does not make too much sense. It's a wild speculation. It is an excuse to criticize the Front Office for not liking them. We do not know why Grimes is playing poorly and if it is because of the new competition, it would not be a Front Office mistake. It would reveal a huge fragility in Grimes's persona.

1) Grimes is a third-year player. To begin with, players in their age tend to be inconsistent. Besides, he never showed great versatility in creating his shot, creating for others, or penetrating the defense.

2) The Front Office showed great confidence in Grimes. They refused to include him in Donovan"s trade talk.

3) The Front Office always has to try to improve the team. They can not be blamed for getting Hart and DDV.

4) Grimes, as a a professional, has to understand that the team is always getting new players, his minutes can be reduced because the team wants to be a contender and he is still raw. He can not be so fragile to be affected by the arrival of new players.

Management is always responsible for the results of their actions. Players are assets. Management is responsible for the exploitation of assets. Only a fool thinks we have the right mix of players. Are you a fool? Where is our backup power forward? What happens if Randle is out for an extended period. Why bring in so many wings when what we really needed was a backup to Randle?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Deuce as a starter:
19.5ppg, 55% fg, 47.1% 3, 4rpg, 3apg, 2to, 1.5steals, 1 block, +11.8net rating, +8 +/-, in 37mpg

He needs to do a better job running the offense as pointed out. That’s something that can take time and he needs to keep getting experience. He’s basically not had many minutes as the pg. I mean, if we want him to score an effient 20, play great defense, and run the offense that is not something many can do all at once….Thats basically a star.

But it’s been fun watching him learn from mistakes and improving even in this small sample size. He’s been penetrating more and more. He’ll never be Derrick Rose, but can be like some other pgs. That pull-up jumper is money and he hit a bunch of them contested.

(6.5ppg, 56% fg, 50% 3% pull up shooting last 2 games)

We need to keep giving him minutes, and even let him play some minutes alongside Brunson. I can understand we need another scorer and some bench help, but it really should be someone that can play next to Deuce. Deuce might be our best bench player right now.

[Richard4444]

This statement does not make too much sense. It's a wild speculation. It is an excuse to criticize the Front Office for not liking them. We do not know why Grimes is playing poorly and if it is because of the new competition, it would not be a Front Office mistake. It would reveal a huge fragility in Grimes's persona.

1) Grimes is a third-year player. To begin with, players in their age tend to be inconsistent. Besides, he never showed great versatility in creating his shot, creating for others, or penetrating the defense.

2) The Front Office showed great confidence in Grimes. They refused to include him in Donovan"s trade talk.

3) The Front Office always has to try to improve the team. They can not be blamed for getting Hart and DDV.

4) Grimes, as a a professional, has to understand that the team is always getting new players, his minutes can be reduced because the team wants to be a contender and he is still raw. He can not be so fragile to be affected by the arrival of new players.

Management is always responsible for the results of their actions. Players are assets. Management is responsible for the exploitation of assets. Only a fool thinks we have the right mix of players. Are you a fool? Where is our backup power forward? What happens if Randle is out for an extended period. Why bring in so many wings when what we really needed was a backup to Randle?

We have plenty of reasons to criticize the Front Office. We lack a PF reserve. Randle is not a long-term solution. We do not need to create false reasons to blame the Front Office.

If you were right that the competition made Grimes a bad player (because the Front Office did not take care of his fragile ego), after the OG trade, he should be balling because he is getting plenty of opportunities now. However, he was still timid in the last games.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Shoutout to Thibs for pulling DiVo in the 3rd when he was on a roll. Can’t have him playing more minutes than Josh Hart

seriously. sometimes rolling with the hot hand is necessary, especially in an ugly one like yesterday.

[thebuzzardman]

Deuce as a starter:
19.5ppg, 55% fg, 47.1% 3, 4rpg, 3apg, 2to, 1.5steals, 1 block, +11.8net rating, +8 +/-, in 37mpg

He needs to do a better job running the offense as pointed out. That’s something that can take time and he needs to keep getting experience. He’s basically not had many minutes as the pg. I mean, if we want him to score an effient 20, play great defense, and run the offense that is not something many can do all at once….Thats basically a star.

But it’s been fun watching him learn from mistakes and improving even in this small sample size. He’s been penetrating more and more. He’ll never be Derrick Rose, but can be like some other pgs. That pull-up jumper is money and he hit a bunch of them contested.

(6.5ppg, 56% fg, 50% 3% pull up shooting last 2 games)

We need to keep giving him minutes, and even let him play some minutes alongside Brunson. I can understand we need another scorer and some bench help, but it really should be someone that can play next to Deuce. Deuce might be our best bench player right now.

He's playing well but some of this is equivalent to an ok player putting up good stats on a bad team. Because without Brunson, the Knicks are bad. It's nice, he deserves to play, certainly over Grimes, but the Knicks BADLY need a player who can break down the defense, get in the paint etc

[mpharris36]

Deuce as a starter:
19.5ppg, 55% fg, 47.1% 3, 4rpg, 3apg, 2to, 1.5steals, 1 block, +11.8net rating, +8 +/-, in 37mpg

He needs to do a better job running the offense as pointed out. That’s something that can take time and he needs to keep getting experience. He’s basically not had many minutes as the pg. I mean, if we want him to score an effient 20, play great defense, and run the offense that is not something many can do all at once….Thats basically a star.

But it’s been fun watching him learn from mistakes and improving even in this small sample size. He’s been penetrating more and more. He’ll never be Derrick Rose, but can be like some other pgs. That pull-up jumper is money and he hit a bunch of them contested.

(6.5ppg, 56% fg, 50% 3% pull up shooting last 2 games)

We need to keep giving him minutes, and even let him play some minutes alongside Brunson. I can understand we need another scorer and some bench help, but it really should be someone that can play next to Deuce. Deuce might be our best bench player right now.

He certainly has more dog in him than Grimes...he's been playing less minutes with IQ and RJ gone which is pretty telling.

[mpharris36]

Shoutout to Thibs for pulling DiVo in the 3rd when he was on a roll. Can’t have him playing more minutes than Josh Hart

seriously. sometimes rolling with the hot hand is necessary, especially in an ugly one like yesterday.

thibs will hear non of it...he follows his minutes card to a tee.

[BadNewsBarnes]

Knicks are just a normal team without Brunson...

[duetta]

We have plenty of reasons to criticize the Front Office. We lack a PF reserve. Randle is not a long-term solution. We do not need to create false reasons to do blame the Front Office.

If you are right the competition made Grimes a bad player (because the Front Office did not take care of his fragile ego), after the OG trade, he should be striking because he is getting plenty of opportunities now. However, he is still timid in the last games.

Did you watch the way that Grimes was being completely ignored in the first quarter of the season - before he lost his job? Did you see the way that he could be wide open in the corner and our 'playmakers' would refuse to pass him the ball, the same playmakers who play defense like my backside chews gum?

A lot of this is on Grimes. But a lot of this is also on a system that encourages selfish play by players who don't defend, and then expect other players to cover for them.

Because Thibs doesn't run a plug-and-play offense, but instead an offense that is utterly dependent on personalities who dominate the ball, he can't hold those same personalities responsible for their failures to either distribute the ball or play adequate defense.

I'm an old guy. I grew up watching Red Holtzman's teams. I value defense and sharing the ball. I do not value egomania and piss-poor effort on defense. Grimes has to account for his own play, and will almost surely get traded. But I will not rest until we get a coach who holds everyone equally accountable.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks are just a sh*tty team without Brunson...

Fixed

[Deeeez Knicks]

Deuce as a starter:
19.5ppg, 55% fg, 47.1% 3, 4rpg, 3apg, 2to, 1.5steals, 1 block, +11.8net rating, +8 +/-, in 37mpg

He needs to do a better job running the offense as pointed out. That’s something that can take time and he needs to keep getting experience. He’s basically not had many minutes as the pg. I mean, if we want him to score an effient 20, play great defense, and run the offense that is not something many can do all at once….Thats basically a star.

But it’s been fun watching him learn from mistakes and improving even in this small sample size. He’s been penetrating more and more. He’ll never be Derrick Rose, but can be like some other pgs. That pull-up jumper is money and he hit a bunch of them contested.

(6.5ppg, 56% fg, 50% 3% pull up shooting last 2 games)

We need to keep giving him minutes, and even let him play some minutes alongside Brunson. I can understand we need another scorer and some bench help, but it really should be someone that can play next to Deuce. Deuce might be our best bench player right now.

He's playing well but some of this is equivalent to an ok player putting up good stats on a bad team. Because without Brunson, the Knicks are bad. It's nice, he deserves to play, certainly over Grimes, but the Knicks BADLY need a player who can break down the defense, get in the paint etc

Orlando is a solid team. Only a game back from us and they have one of the best defenses in the league. Suggs is one of the best defenders in the league. So I wouldn’t downplay Deuces performance too much when he was up against Suggs. Even with Randle on one leg playing bad we still almost won. Just an avg game from Randle and we would have won.

But for sure when Brunson is out the team takes a hit. He does so much on offense. There is no one guy you can plug in that can make up for his loss all by himself. There is nothing we can do to totally make up for Brunson unless we get another Brunson. We do need someone else that can score/create, even with Brunson. I do agree with that point. When he misses anytime it has to be a team effort.

[Deeeez Knicks]

We need Hart to play better. His play has fallen off this year. Teams just leave him open on the perimeter. He’s just running cardio out there.

[thebuzzardman]

We need Hart to play better. His play has fallen off this year. Teams just leave him open on the perimeter. He’s just running cardio out there.

Knicks got all of Brunson's sh*tty friends and couldn't get the best one. Oh well.

[rajajackal]

We need Hart to play better. His play has fallen off this year. Teams just leave him open on the perimeter. He’s just running cardio out there.

Knicks got all of Brunson's sh*tty friends and couldn't get the best one. Oh well.

i'm a hart fan but i'm still mad we paid donte divincenzo and didn't extend quickley

[DOT]

We need Hart to play better. His play has fallen off this year. Teams just leave him open on the perimeter. He’s just running cardio out there.

It's a running theme of this FO that guys will come in, overachieve for half a season or so, get a big deal, and then immediately fall off

Hart last year in 25 games:

10/7/4 on 59/52/79, .703 TS

Hart this year through 40 games:

7/6/3 on 44/32/79, .531 TS

Someone insisted he was on a "bargain" contract, I can't remember who, but this is not what a bargain looks like. Dude is overpaid and his extension hasn't even kicked in yet

Deuce is a bargain, even if he is gonna fall off at some point. Having a guy in the rotation for under 5 mil is a bargain, having a guy who is arguably worse being paid $18-20 million is not. Hart is gonna make more money next year than Deuce will in his career by the end of his extension, that is not a "bargain" unless Hart turns into a legit All Star.

[Clyde_Style]

We need Hart to play better. His play has fallen off this year. Teams just leave him open on the perimeter. He’s just running cardio out there.

Knicks got all of Brunson's sh*tty friends and couldn't get the best one. Oh well.

We paid the Skipper, Gilligan and Thurston Howell III, but failed to get Mary Ann or Ginger

[Gravy]

IHarts foul troubles cost us the game. We ended up losing the rebounding advantage and had too many Precious minutes.

[Deeeez Knicks]

We need Hart to play better. His play has fallen off this year. Teams just leave him open on the perimeter. He’s just running cardio out there.

It's a running theme of this FO that guys will come in, overachieve for half a season or so, get a big deal, and then immediately fall off

Hart last year in 25 games:

10/7/4 on 59/52/79, .703 TS

Hart this year through 40 games:

7/6/3 on 44/32/79, .531 TS

Someone insisted he was on a "bargain" contract, I can't remember who, but this is not what a bargain looks like. Dude is overpaid and his extension hasn't even kicked in yet

Deuce is a bargain, even if he is gonna fall off at some point. Having a guy in the rotation for under 5 mil is a bargain, having a guy who is arguably worse being paid $18-20 million is not. Hart is gonna make more money next year than Deuce will in his career by the end of his extension, that is not a "bargain" unless Hart turns into a legit All Star.

If Hart continues to play like this then it’s looking like a bad contract. I like Hart, he brings some energy. But hes getting paid to bring more than that. Think he could still play into his contract, but his current role can be replaced by much cheaper players or draft picks or someone that just fits better. He doesn’t fit as well after the trade…the lack of shooting from that position really hurts and now we are missing a wing or guard that can create/score.