OG - is he worth the money he’ll demand?

[Luv those Knicks]

As much as I love OG, you don’t max out role players no matter how great they are. Even a guy like Draymond Green never got the full max. To put in context a max contract for OG would be around $49 million a year. The $35 million annual number sounds much more plausible. I am really hoping that a fifth year player option can bring it a bit lower than that as well

OG's Response:

Siakam's making $12 million per year more than me?

I love OG but let’s get real. Siakam is a two time NBA all-star and two time all NBA. He averaged 20+ ppg for five consecutive seasons. When Toronto won the championship, he averaged 19 a game during the playoffs.

OG is a great fit for this team and he deserves a big contract but these stats matter. You can build a championship team where Siakam is your second best offensive weapon. You can’t do the same with OG. As I said, Draymond never got a max contract. There is a reason for that despite obviously having much better careers than either of these guys we talk about. You can’t max someone who is a role player on the offensive end.

I could be talked down from 49, but if OG was reliably healthy, I'd offer over 40 easy. 41-43 instead of 49 . . . OK, fine, but he'd deserve a big payday.

I am concerned about the missed games though. I think that's a factor in what to offer him.

[knickknack]

We don't got much of a choice we got to sign him back period . He does have a injury history but that's the dice we will have to roll

[Iron Mantis]

OG can't take us to the promised land unless he's heavily load-managed.

If Thibs isn't down with load management, OG's health will never last for a postseason run.

No OG in postseason = what are we really doing here?

Are the Knicks joining the load management culture or not????

[aggo]

OG can't take us to the promised land unless he's heavily load-managed.

If Thibs isn't down with load management, OG's health will never last for a postseason run.

No OG in postseason = what are we really doing here?

Are the Knicks joining the load management culture or not????

ok

now do randle

and then do mitch

[Luv those Knicks]

We don't got much of a choice we got to sign him back period . He does have a injury history but that's the dice we will have to roll

But do you pay his as much? Or do you adjust the offer for injury risk.

Time will tell what happens, and if another team offers more than what the Knicks have offered, and if OG gives the Knicks a chance to match. I'd match, but I don't know if he's worth 40 million with his injury history. I think that's a factor.

[seren]

The other issue that is not discussed enough is the team dynamics. JB and Randle are both making less than 30. Donte could have taken a full MLE somewhere else but took a pay cut to stay. Mitchell has a declining contract which will make him severely underpaid. We are trying to keep iHart below market value because we are capped at what we offer. Heck we will even push for a below market extension for JB. While everyone else is sacrificing, you can’t just offer one guy 40+ million because he asked for it. That will totally destroy the chemistry

[Synciere]

At what point do we start worrying that we don’t have an agreement?

[Wildcat]

At what point do we start worrying that we don’t have an agreement?

At no point. Knicks are not rushing to announce a deal so they can avoid investigations on the initial trade. They're very likely also trying to figure out the cap situation to avoid that 2nd apron. OG hasn't officially opted out, either, so something is going on behind the scenes. I think he can announce is opt out now.

[Synciere]

At what point do we start worrying that we don’t have an agreement?

At no point. Knicks are not rushing to announce a deal so they can avoid investigations on the initial trade. They're very likely also trying to figure out the cap situation to avoid that 2nd apron. OG hasn't officially opted out, either, so something is going on behind the scenes. I think he can announce is opt out now.

There’s no need to avoid investigations. Once the Finals ended they were/are allowed to negotiate and come to terms with their own free agents. People have said repeatedly Rose must’ve known the number it would take when he traded for OG, and that he wouldn’t have made the trade if he wasn’t comfortable giving OG his number.

Also, the cap number is a known entity at this point. It’s even easier for us because we’re capped regarding our only other free agent of note. Obviously something is going on but the longer this takes the more that something includes the possibility of him going to another team.

[Wildcat]

At what point do we start worrying that we don’t have an agreement?

At no point. Knicks are not rushing to announce a deal so they can avoid investigations on the initial trade. They're very likely also trying to figure out the cap situation to avoid that 2nd apron. OG hasn't officially opted out, either, so something is going on behind the scenes. I think he can announce is opt out now.

There’s no need to avoid investigations. Once the Finals ended they were/are allowed to negotiate and come to terms with their own free agents. People have said repeatedly Rose must’ve known the number it would take when he traded for OG, and that he wouldn’t have made the trade if he wasn’t comfortable giving OG his number.

Also, the cap number is a known entity at this point. It’s even easier for us because we’re capped regarding our only other free agent of note. Obviously something is going on but the longer this takes the more that something includes the possibility of him going to another team.

Investigation into the initial trade, not the eventual signing. Plenty of reasonable suspicion if there were promises made prior and thereafter by Leon, Leon's son, and CAA. Knicks announce OG has resigned immediately after the Finals ended just going to amplify it. It's not like we're going on a full week since the Finals, either. Not worth the heat to appease impatient fans.

So no, unless Dolan suddenly goes back to hands on mode and cracks out his guitar and plays a recruiting pitch to OG, there's zero possibility that OG is going else where. The impatient pessimism of this fanbase needs to be curbed stomped.

[G_K_F]

One would argue paying a guy who really is limited offensively beyond 3’s and who is always hurt $40 million can limit your window of contention under this new salary cap structure.

But unfortunately the Knicks kind of put themselves in this spot by trading their most valuable piece (IQ) to get this guy. Yes, it was a great trade with a huge impact on the team. But this player doesn’t put you over the hump at the end of the day and you’re going to wind up paying him like he does because you traded a valuable asset for him.

[KnicksFan7]

Gotta look at it like this, he may want $40M/yr, but is anyone actually offering that? I want a lot of things, but nobody's offering. You know?

The next question is, should we pay him $40M? And I'm out on that. He's averaged just under 60 games per year for his career and got injured on a routine chasedown in the playoffs. Love the guy, but to me, he's not worth that amount. I'd rather take some of the extra money and use it to hold on to Hartenstein because we all know Mitch will be injured in December and be out for two months.

[douggood]

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[nedleeds]

a huge impact on the team

I think it was a good trade, but why do people keep parroting this?

Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2022-2023
Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2023-2024

... 47 Thibs wins vs. 50 Thibs wins. All mostly fake since 50 wins got the 5th seed in the East in 22-23. Basically the same team, same record, same results, bunch of injuries.

We got off an awful RJ contract. But IQ is a decent player and has been healthy.

[Wildcat]

a huge impact on the team

I think it was a good trade, but why do people keep parroting this?

Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2022-2023
Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2023-2024

... 47 Thibs wins vs. 50 Thibs wins. All mostly fake since 50 wins got the 5th seed in the East in 22-23. Basically the same team, same record, same results, bunch of injuries.

We got off an awful RJ contract. But IQ is a decent player and has been healthy.

Because the data says otherwise. The team is 26-6 when he plays, including the playoffs. Not some coincidence.

[nedleeds]

a huge impact on the team

I think it was a good trade, but why do people keep parroting this?

Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2022-2023
Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2023-2024

... 47 Thibs wins vs. 50 Thibs wins. All mostly fake since 50 wins got the 5th seed in the East in 22-23. Basically the same team, same record, same results, bunch of injuries.

We got off an awful RJ contract. But IQ is a decent player and has been healthy.

Because the data says otherwise. The team is 26-6 when he plays, including the playoffs. Not some coincidence.

The team doesn't play for a month, they play a season and he's paid for a season. But yes we won the January World Championship. So his impact on a season is a net nothing. There's no evidence in his career that he can play a full season and playoffs.

Again ... I think it was a good trade, but saying it has a huge impact is ludicrous.

You can 'yeah but if he was healthy' all day, it's just piss in the wind until he does.

[Wildcat]

I think it was a good trade, but why do people keep parroting this?

Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2022-2023
Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals in 2023-2024

... 47 Thibs wins vs. 50 Thibs wins. All mostly fake since 50 wins got the 5th seed in the East in 22-23. Basically the same team, same record, same results, bunch of injuries.

We got off an awful RJ contract. But IQ is a decent player and has been healthy.

Because the data says otherwise. The team is 26-6 when he plays, including the playoffs. Not some coincidence.

The team doesn't play for a month, they play a season and he's paid for a season. But yes we won the January World Championship. So his impact on a season is a net nothing. There's no evidence in his career that he can play a full season and playoffs.

Again ... I think it was a good trade, but saying it has a huge impact is ludicrous.

You can 'yeah but if he was healthy' all day, it's just piss in the wind until he does.

Most -- if not all -- measurable data metric says otherwise. Don't know why you're fighting such an uphill battle here.

[jvsimonetti0514]

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[seren]

There is also the possibility that we could arrange a sign and trade

[Iron Mantis]

There is also the possibility that we could arrange a sign and trade

For who?