Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[ScienceOfLosing]

This is it for the Knicks. We have a 3-4 year window with how the team is built. If you can get an elite defensive wing in his prime right now to push us up than we do it. Dadiet could be great or he could be Frank 2.0. You don't hold him to find out.

We can’t pay Murphy. You want to trade for him as a rental???
We would need to move more to free up salary.

His qualifying offer is 7.3M he can play on that next year. So you get him for 2 years.

I know. That is a rental.

[KnixinSix]

We can’t pay Murphy. You want to trade for him as a rental???
We would need to move more to free up salary.

His qualifying offer is 7.3M he can play on that next year. So you get him for 2 years.

I know. That is a rental.

Mitch is also on last 2 years of deal. And rental is 1 year (or less). 2 years is more than a rental.

[thebuzzardman]

We can’t pay Murphy. You want to trade for him as a rental???
We would need to move more to free up salary.

His qualifying offer is 7.3M he can play on that next year. So you get him for 2 years.

I know. That is a rental.

Is that still bird rights? Understand that 2nd apron rules might mean no retention anyway

[KnixinSix]

His qualifying offer is 7.3M he can play on that next year. So you get him for 2 years.

I know. That is a rental.

Is that still bird rights? Understand that 2nd apron rules might mean no retention anyway

Not sure buzz .....Good question

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I’m excited about this team but this draft picks situation isn’t great. The 2nd rd picks are fine - 7 tradable over 7 years, plus the Was pick is likely 2 2nds and each year we pick up another tradable 2nd.

But we essentially have no first to trade until the 2026 draft.

I guess in theory if we need to pivot we can turn Bridges or Anunoby into picks.

We have a 4 year or so window with this team. I agree pick situation isn't ideal, hopefully they can hit on a second round pick on one of the drafts.

Tradable assets: 2 first round pick swaps, the Washington pick, and 7 2nd rounders.

Main trade pieces: Mitch, Dadiet, Wash Pick, 1 2nd rounder for Trey Murphy while using a 3rd team under the salary cap like we did the KAT trade to make it work.

Ainge wants no conditional 1st rd picks.

[RHODEY]

We have a 4 year or so window with this team. I agree pick situation isn't ideal, hopefully they can hit on a second round pick on one of the drafts.

Tradable assets: 2 first round pick swaps, the Washington pick, and 7 2nd rounders.

Main trade pieces: Mitch, Dadiet, Wash Pick, 1 2nd rounder for Trey Murphy while using a 3rd team under the salary cap like we did the KAT trade to make it work.

Ainge wants no conditional 1st rd picks.

[Polk377]

I know. That is a rental.

Is that still bird rights? Understand that 2nd apron rules might mean no retention anyway

Not sure buzz .....Good question

2nd apron has no baring on bird rights. If they get him, they can use the bird rights to get him a new deal.

[ScienceOfLosing]

His qualifying offer is 7.3M he can play on that next year. So you get him for 2 years.

I know. That is a rental.

Mitch is also on last 2 years of deal. And rental is 1 year (or less). 2 years is more than a rental.

We are not getting Murphy for only Mitch. Mitch is so badly damaged that we are giving up on him.
I would love Murphy but we will have to free up salary AND still extend Bridges soon.
Maybe in season if Mitch shows he can handle 20 minutes a night.

[ScienceOfLosing]

His qualifying offer is 7.3M he can play on that next year. So you get him for 2 years.

I know. That is a rental.

Is that still bird rights? Understand that 2nd apron rules might mean no retention anyway

Not sure. I was reading on another forum and some (appearantly) knowledgeable folks said it would be almost impossible.
Interesting that the 2nd apron might affect the abikity to keep a player, but I get they want more parity.
Parity like in baseball, sucks actually, lol.

The good thing is if there is a way our FO will find it. They are like paying for high priced lawyers for a traffick ticket.

Edit - polk377 has the answer. So, there is a chance!

[ScienceOfLosing]

If we can get Herb Jones or Trey Murphy for Mitch then roster will be set.
Just need couple of this years draftees to become rotation players.

Speaking of which, is this the current roster? Plus I'll make a projection or two.


Brunson/Payne/Kolek
Bridges/Deuce/Shamet (most likely vet min guy to stick, unless someone else gets cut and Knicks grab)
OG/Hart/Dadiet
KAT/
Precious/Mitch (Mitch starts when healthy)/Sims/

13 players.

Am I missing some obvious player here?

Since the only thing left they can afford is a rookie scale contract, I'd suppose that either McCullars or Haukporti get converted from 2 way to rookie scale.

I'd guess it's McCullar, though they have plenty of wings. Or it's Haukporti if the Knicks trade Sims, for whatever reason. Or in the unlikely case they trade Mitch.

Yep, unless we do another big trade (e.g. Mitch for depth), I think Haukporti will be converted. I think McCullars is still healing and stays in the G league.

You never know if Haukporti shows out, Thibs might give him a minute.

[KnixinSix]

I know. That is a rental.

Mitch is also on last 2 years of deal. And rental is 1 year (or less). 2 years is more than a rental.

We are not getting Murphy for only Mitch. Mitch is so badly damaged that we are giving up on him.
I would love Murphy but we will have to free up salary AND still extend Bridges soon.
Maybe in season if Mitch shows he can handle 20 minutes a night.

More than Mitch yes but Dadiet , Was FRP, 2 2nd round picks may be enough for an elite rim protector (injury prone or not). Murphy is not an all star.

[spree2kawhi]

Mitch is also on last 2 years of deal. And rental is 1 year (or less). 2 years is more than a rental.

We are not getting Murphy for only Mitch. Mitch is so badly damaged that we are giving up on him.
I would love Murphy but we will have to free up salary AND still extend Bridges soon.
Maybe in season if Mitch shows he can handle 20 minutes a night.

More than Mitch yes but Dadiet , Was FRP, 2 2nd round picks may be enough for an elite rim protector (injury prone or not). Murphy is not an all star.

I don’t know where this comes from and I think Murphy is good or maybe even as good as DiVincenzo, but why would we trade a defensive-minded center for a wing atm?

[rajajackal]

Read on Twitter

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[Ray Williams]

lol, Brock Aller deserves a statue! $1

Watch on YouTube

[KnixinSix]

We are not getting Murphy for only Mitch. Mitch is so badly damaged that we are giving up on him.
I would love Murphy but we will have to free up salary AND still extend Bridges soon.
Maybe in season if Mitch shows he can handle 20 minutes a night.

More than Mitch yes but Dadiet , Was FRP, 2 2nd round picks may be enough for an elite rim protector (injury prone or not). Murphy is not an all star.

I don’t know where this comes from and I think Murphy is good or maybe even as good as DiVincenzo, but why would we trade a defensive-minded center for a wing atm?

I think we are moving on from his injury proneness and one sided game in the favor of deploying more two way players throughout the lineup. Sometimes teams are ready to move on from guys for various reasons and the above may be it.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

More than Mitch yes but Dadiet , Was FRP, 2 2nd round picks may be enough for an elite rim protector (injury prone or not). Murphy is not an all star.

I don’t know where this comes from and I think Murphy is good or maybe even as good as DiVincenzo, but why would we trade a defensive-minded center for a wing atm?

I think we are moving on from his injury proneness and one sided game in the favor of deploying more two way players throughout the lineup. Sometimes teams are ready to move on from guys for various reasons and the above may be it.

Doubt it. Mitch's injury puts the Knicks in a sell low mode. If he's traded, the earliest in my opinion would be at the February trade deadline assuming he shows he's playing at 100% when he returns.

[StlHawksFan]

We can’t pay Murphy. You want to trade for him as a rental???
We would need to move more to free up salary.

His qualifying offer is 7.3M he can play on that next year. So you get him for 2 years.

I know. That is a rental.

QO is what a team has to essentially ante up to get matching rights for a restricted free agent. Unless nobody offers the guy a real contract, he's not taking a 1 year QO, and the Knicks will not have the apron room to match an offer when they will need to also be extending Bridges.

[StlHawksFan]

lol, Brock Aller deserves a statue! $1

Watch on YouTube

Remember that he also manipulated the last trade using Shake Milton's non-bird rights to also land KBD who was another necessary piece here.

Three dimensional chess.

[Spree2Houston]

We can’t pay Murphy. You want to trade for him as a rental???
We would need to move more to free up salary.

His qualifying offer is 7.3M he can play on that next year. So you get him for 2 years.

I know. That is a rental.

This would only apply with partial bird rights (ex Hartenstein). In Murphy’s case , we would have his full bird rights so we would have the ability to go over the 2nd apron.

[RHODEY]

I don’t know where this comes from and I think Murphy is good or maybe even as good as DiVincenzo, but why would we trade a defensive-minded center for a wing atm?

I think we are moving on from his injury proneness and one sided game in the favor of deploying more two way players throughout the lineup. Sometimes teams are ready to move on from guys for various reasons and the above may be it.

Doubt it. Mitch's injury puts the Knicks in a sell low mode. If he's traded, the earliest in my opinion would be at the February trade deadline assuming he shows he's playing at 100% when he returns.

Well if Herb Jones and or Murphy are in play....it ain't sell low ... atleast to the Pelicans. They are thirsting for a defensive center and Mitch might be far and away the best available one....