OT: USA 2024 Elections Thread Part # 2 (November 5th is Election Day!)

[Stannis]

Rogan signed an exclusive 250m deal with Spotify. YouTube has a capitalist duty to hurt his views.

Fax

[Pointgod]

Well that was fast. Keep the self owns coming dipshits

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[Stannis]

Kamala Harris' VP choice Tim Walz had secret fling with daughter of top Chinese Communist official during teaching stint in China
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14012181/tim-walz-fling-china-communist-daughter-kamala-harris-vp.html

- Tim Walz had a romance with Jenna Wang, daughter of a CCP official in 1989
- She said her father Bin Hui would disown her for fraternizing with a westerner

But their romance blossomed behind closed doors as they sipped tea, made love and listened to George Michael hits – leading the then 24-year-old Wang to dream about marriage and a new life in the United States.

No proposal was forthcoming from the future Minnesota governor, however, and the shame of being treated 'like a prostitute' eventually left Wang feeling angry and suicidal, she claims.

This was an entertaining article...

[St Knick]

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Search for "Rogan Trump" on google, and tell me if you can find the interview easily.
How is that not the first result with those 2 simple terms, given the unreal views it got?
Instead, I get a bunch of videos, with orders of magnitude less view, from MSM-created takes on the interview itself.
More election interference from the compromised tech behemoths.
Why bury/hide this result? Democrats can't let people speak and let peopel come to there own conclusions?
Countless cases like this of big tech companies skewing search results to help steer there own narrative.

This is like the 3rd time. Do you not know the difference between there, their and they’re?

Thanks, syntax police officer.

Their - "Fury likes their men effeminate and soy-based."
They're - contraction for "they are".
There - "Look over there, it's a bunch of soy boys who call anyone they disagree with racists"

Sorry, not perfect, I often overlook these grammatical/syntax errors.

[St Knick]

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Search for "Rogan Trump" on google, and tell me if you can find the interview easily.
How is that not the first result with those 2 simple terms, given the unreal views it got?
Instead, I get a bunch of videos, with orders of magnitude less view, from MSM-created takes on the interview itself.
More election interference from the compromised tech behemoths.
Why bury/hide this result? Democrats can't let people speak and let peopel come to there own conclusions?
Countless cases like this of big tech companies skewing search results to help steer there own narrative.

How does it feel to be this gullible?

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Read my post again. I used the most simple of search terms, just 2 words ==> "Trump Rogan"
My point stands. Most google searchers aren't going to type "Experience", they'll just type "Trump rogan" and trust the search result.
Shouldn't have to be that specific to get this search result to the most viewed podcast in history.

[Fury]

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Search for "Rogan Trump" on google, and tell me if you can find the interview easily.
How is that not the first result with those 2 simple terms, given the unreal views it got?
Instead, I get a bunch of videos, with orders of magnitude less view, from MSM-created takes on the interview itself.
More election interference from the compromised tech behemoths.
Why bury/hide this result? Democrats can't let people speak and let peopel come to there own conclusions?
Countless cases like this of big tech companies skewing search results to help steer there own narrative.

This is like the 3rd time. Do you not know the difference between there, their and they’re?

Thanks, syntax police officer.

Their - "Fury likes their men effeminate and soy-based."
They're - contraction for "they are".
There - "Look over there, it's a bunch of soy boys who call anyone they disagree with racists"

Sorry, not perfect, I often overlook these grammatical/syntax errors.

Yikes. So defensive. Can’t you take a joke?

[Ray Williams]

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Can’t wait till he vacations there again, they may never find his body.

[HarthorneWingo]

So, despite my continued anger directed at the Harris campaign over Israel’s genocide of Palestinians and current war crimes, I decided that I will vote for Harris/Walz. But they are risking the election if they don’t wise up.

[Fat Kat]

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[Stannis]

So, despite my continued anger directed at the Harris campaign over Israel’s genocide of Palestinians and current tinted war crimes, I decided that I will vote for Harris/Walz. But they are risking the election if they don’t wise up.

Jazakallah khairan!

I probably would have done the same thing if I lived in a swing state. But I still won't blame Muslims that sat out or voted 3rd party in swing states if Kamala loses. End of the day, you have to give the voters something. Michigan in particular has a higher number of Palestinians, Lebanese, Yemeni etc (the people affected by the war) and Iranians.

Muslims like yourself heeded warnings and issued guidance to the democratic party for a long time now. So you definitely did your part.

May Allah Bless You, Brother!

[Synciere]

So, despite my continued anger directed at the Harris campaign over Israel’s genocide of Palestinians and current tinted war crimes, I decided that I will vote for Harris/Walz. But they are risking the election if they don’t wise up.

Jazakallah khairan!

I probably would have done the same thing if I lived in a swing state. But I still won't blame Muslims that sat our or voted 3rd party in swing states if she loses. End of the day, you have to give the voters something. Michigan in particular has a higher number of Lebanese, Yemeni etc (the people truly affected by the war).

Muslims like yourself heeded warnings and issued guidance to the democratic party for a long time now. So you definitely did your part.

May Allah Bless You, Brother!

What would it take for the US and Israel to break their bond? Because it’s clear to me no one president to force either side to back down. This beef is two thousand years. It’s literally in their DNAs.

[MrDollarBills]

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Imagine being so racist that the voice actor for Bender off of Futurama threatens to slap you across the mouth

Also, apparently this tool lost his draft kings sponsorship.

File this guy away with the rest of the losers who ruined their lives on behalf of Donald Trump, whose team knew full well how racist those jokes were beforehand and still rolled with it

[DOT]

By the way, PA just crossed the threshold for the firewall

Dems currently have a ~420,000 vote lead on Republicans on ballot returns. And while we don't know who they voted for, there's nothing to suggest either side will have significant defectors

Edit: my mistake, the nbc.com stats are rough averages, the real numbers are here: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/2024-general-election-early-vote-pennsylvania/

It's a little under 380,000.

[Stannis]

What would it take for the US and Israel to break their bond? Because it’s clear to me no one president to force either side to back down. This beef is two thousand years. It’s literally in their DNAs.

I think a war with Iran might be the breaking point. If Israel tries to induce this, USA might be forced to leave them out to dry for the first time.

USA lost to the Taliban/Afghanistan. Niger. Proxies losing in Syria, Yemen. Looks like there might be an uprising in Iraq as well, so all that work and time in this invasion will be outdone.

Iran is a country of +90 million. And they are more advanced than any of these other countries I listed. Unless the plan is to just drop a bunch of nukes on them, I don't think it will be an easy victory nor worth it. And we will see + $12/gallon gas if this war happens.

As far as a POTUS that will lay down the hammer. Maybe AOC in the year 2052

Spoiler:

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[Stannis]

Kamala losing the Epstein vote

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[HarthorneWingo]

(Wrong thread)

[MrDollarBills]

Evidence of the backlash was immediate on Monday: A nonpartisan Puerto Rican group drafted a letter urging its members to oppose Trump on election day. Other Puerto Rican voters were lighting up WhatsApp chats with reactions to the vulgar display and raising it in morning conversations at their bodegas. Some are planning to protest Trump’s rally Tuesday in Allentown, a majority-Latino city with one of the largest Puerto Rican populations in the state.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/28/trump-rally-puerto-rico-pennsylvania-fallout-00185935

[Clyde_Style]

To be clear, I already voted. I voted for Harris. Easy peasey.

With that out of the way... The Harris campaign has done a really poor job messaging on the economy to the point where everything I'm hearing and reading states that most voters default to an understanding that Trump is far better. That asshat had us on the verge of economic collapse after Covid and they needed to go out of their way to convey that. Like, the the Trump campaign is memeing that they had gas at 2 bucks a gallon. Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick!!! That was because nobody was driving during the pandemic and there were huge barges floating around everywhere with excess oil that nobody knew what to do with. It was, from an economic perspective, a huge problem. Not that there was necessarily a party to blame for that other than the virus but it wasn't a **** plus. Then you had a president actively pressuring the Fed to keep interest rates down when it was clear that inflation was looming due to supply chain issues. How can you not parlay that into a message that wins? "We stopped inflation and got the economy back to the point where we can cut rates again and flourish with substantial job growth. You're already seeing it." Boom. Hit us on the head with that over and over.

Now the right can play off that the left's harping on abortion and Trump subverting democracy is window dressing to hide an emperor with no clothes. It's a massive oversight that I can't understand for the life of me. The messaging is so obvious. Like just package what I wrote above better and you're off to the races. I was listening to a program on OPB yesterday that highlighted leaders of black caucuses and a lot of them are pissed to high hell that cannabis reform topped the list on the Harris plan to help black Americans. It came off pretty offensive. Jobs, wealth, security. How do you impact those. Cannabis reform packaged as a piece of police reform can bring up the rear.

Agreed. The common refrain from the no-information low-income voter is purely economic. They have no economic literacy so they think the opposite of the truth as you explained and they simply do not understand each presidency has a lag of 3-4 years before the true economic contributions of an administration manifest. Trump handed Biden a freaking mess that is almost cleaned up now, but the average joe is so economically illiterate you have to campaign on this hard to drill these points home. So, yes, opportunity was missed to a large degree even though Harris did poll progressively better on the economy over the course of her short campaign, it could have been even better.

[Clyde_Style]

I'd love to hear an analysis of the potential impacts of the two candidates' proposals if you have it.

If you actually want some detailed analysis, here you go:

https://www.crfb.org/papers/fiscal-impact-harris-and-trump-campaign-plans

Basically, the deficit is going up no matter who wins, but Kamala's plans will add less because she's offsetting them with tax increases on billionaires. Meanwhile Trump's plans would rely on cutting necessary social services as well as being solely reliant on tariffs, which is a tax on the middle and lower class (and this isn't getting into the further economic ramifications of those tariffs which would be disastrous because we know for a fact you can't fund the government from tariffs, we've tried that in the past and it was awful)

To oversimplify it, the debt will go up either way, but who benefits changes. Under Trump, it will be the rich, under Kamala, it will still be the rich but also the middle and lower classes to a degree

Trump's just another spend-and-don't-tax Republican, he wants to increase spending on stuff we don't need while not compensating for it. To put it simply, while you could not describe either candidate as fiscally conservative, Kamala's overall plan is significantly closer to being fiscally conservative than Trump's, if we agree that "fiscally conservative" means reducing spending and increasing funding, and not "whatever I need to justify voting Republican".

Thanks DOT. As I think you suspected, my question was at once academic as I have not myself done the deep dive on this issue and rhetorical/instructive. The side of politics that actually impacts people is in the details. A healthier debate arises out of fundamental understanding of these policies and a back and forth on the short and long term impacts of these respective policies on American families. I implore everyone do the policy work for matters you care about and then push candidates on either side towards outcomes that work better for you. This **** ain't easy and this idea that "anyone could do a better job" that's been floating around these days is nonsense and destructive. Policy is high level work. Getting your head around it _should_ be hard.

A lot of the "Both Sides" ism is a result of that fundamental policy illiteracy you mentioned previously. There is a fairly substantial gulf in the policy objectives of each party on each foundational issue and most media outlets spend the majority of their times discussing what they think sells the best. But the foundational information is available.


I'll take some of the hit myself. In the past I've been much more fluent in policy positions of the candidates up and down the line but with kids and new rabbits and stuff I've mostly been playing my greatest hits in these debates. Even with that, not as frequently as I would have in the past.

The slippery slope downhill always starts with the rabbits.

One minute you're a Rhodes scholar, the next minute you're plucking a guitar in Deliverance.

Damn rabbits.

[HarthorneWingo]

Evidence of the backlash was immediate on Monday: A nonpartisan Puerto Rican group drafted a letter urging its members to oppose Trump on election day. Other Puerto Rican voters were lighting up WhatsApp chats with reactions to the vulgar display and raising it in morning conversations at their bodegas. Some are planning to protest Trump’s rally Tuesday in Allentown, a majority-Latino city with one of the largest Puerto Rican populations in the state.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/28/trump-rally-puerto-rico-pennsylvania-fallout-00185935

Brilliant!

That should make up for any loss in votes from pissed off Muslims.