PG: OG Kawhinoby

[Clyde_Style]

[Clyde_Style]

How did Cap manage against the Nuggets Dancers last night?

[BKlutch]

Oooooohhhhhh yea, MB turned down the extension and is playing for his new contract trying to show what his real value is...whoops, he better rush to the table and take it now.

that made me laugh...

I think Nerlens Noel still holds the record for turning down a contract larger than he ever received since then.

[K_ick_God]

People first said we overpaid for Hart, and he's come through. I don't think you'd trade Hart for any realistic deal, too valuable. Then OG signed for a lot, and he's having a very good season. Hopefully Mikal completes the hat trick eventually. No rush.

[SelbyCobra]

I'm one of the more vocal Thibs doubters, and just like the Phoenix game, last night's performance does nothing to address my concerns with him at the helm. I've said from the beginning of the season, even through those opening few games that the Knicks are an elite contender this year, no doubt.

This roster can win a championship with Thibs as the head coach. It's that talented, and Thibs has enough positive impact with his attention to detail and general schemes. The problems those of us who are not sold on him being the best option have are his flaws. They did not appear or get exploited last night, and the supreme talent and harmony of the way this roster fits has the chance to keep them covered more often than not.

Nights like Phoenix and last night where they go out and shoot 50/60/90 as a team (absolutely unreal to watch) do not address the main concerns about Thibs as a coach. He has a specific way he puts this roster in position to shine, and the massive scoring talent that Leon has assembled shined extra bright. The concern is what happens when the shots aren't falling for the Knicks, or ARE falling for the opposition, and Thibs' specific ways aren't working, or even worse, are getting actively attacked and exploited.

This team as constructed is a multi-faceted championship-caliber roster that has the ability to beat you in a multitude of ways. I don't believe Thibs is similarly dynamic as a coach.

Also, he's a maniac.


Have you weighed in on a replacement? Atkinson would have been good but he seems to be off the market. I'm not sure who I'd target.

No, I don't know enough to pretend that I can figure out who has the right schemes/philosophy, the right flexibility, and the right people skills. There are certainly some fun ideas floating out there like Hurley or Wright, but my appreciation of them is pure ignorant fandom born of storylines and hype.

It's much the same with talent evaluation and player acquisitions - if I believe in the evaluators enough, I don't pretend to know any more than I can research with my own eyes and the available quantitative data. They brought in Josh Hart and people were dismissive or even up in arms about the pick cost. They brought in DDV and there was a loud objection that it was redundant, or even a lesser version of something we already had. They brought in iHart and it was met with criticism for not being more. They signed Brunson to a huge contract and it was met with skepticism. They drafted IQ. Etc, etc, etc. Personally I'm always trying to find out WHY they did what they did if it doesn't make sense to me. With coaches there's not much available statistical data to assess them the same way there was tons of information out there on, say, KAT before he was acquired.

There are young coaches, and even established retreads, whose names aren't even on the radar of 99% of our posters right now, that have the right ideas and the right skills for the job. Hopefully they win a championship with Thibs, but if not, when the Knicks eventually decide to move on, I'm hopeful that Leon & Co can identify those guys the same way they've done a great job at identifying value plays and talent that fits and/or has room to grow.

But this Thibs situation is the first time I've ever been concerned about Leon during his tenure. The Randle situation had me worried, but they took action on that before having to commit. Thibs got a shiny new 3 year extension that hasn't even kicked in yet, and he's one of Leon's best friends. The nepotism has worked out amazingly so far for Rose, but being able to see past his personal ties with Tom is actually my biggest concern with how this 4 year window plays out.

[KnixinSix]

It really was evident, wasn't it?

Sometimes it comes down to effort and better execution to go along with the right defensive strategy.

We will still have some match-up concerns until we get a bigger rotation up front, but most nights we should be competing defensively regardless.

Tonight they showed they can compete on defense NOW and don't need to make excuses about missing players.

If not for the fact that we got one of those missing players back.

It was how the whole team played defense that changed the tone, not just Deuce returning.

It seemed to be a combination of things Thibs adjustment, player playing intense, McBride returning. Gotta love it and hope its finally clicked.

[KnixinSix]

I'm one of the more vocal Thibs doubters, and just like the Phoenix game, last night's performance does nothing to address my concerns with him at the helm. I've said from the beginning of the season, even through those opening few games that the Knicks are an elite contender this year, no doubt.

This roster can win a championship with Thibs as the head coach. It's that talented, and Thibs has enough positive impact with his attention to detail and general schemes. The problems those of us who are not sold on him being the best option have are his flaws. They did not appear or get exploited last night, and the supreme talent and harmony of the way this roster fits has the chance to keep them covered more often than not.

Nights like Phoenix and last night where they go out and shoot 50/60/90 as a team (absolutely unreal to watch) do not address the main concerns about Thibs as a coach. He has a specific way he puts this roster in position to shine, and the massive scoring talent that Leon has assembled shined extra bright. The concern is what happens when the shots aren't falling for the Knicks, or ARE falling for the opposition, and Thibs' specific ways aren't working, or even worse, are getting actively attacked and exploited.

This team as constructed is a multi-faceted championship-caliber roster that has the ability to beat you in a multitude of ways. I don't believe Thibs is similarly dynamic as a coach.

Also, he's a maniac.


Have you weighed in on a replacement? Atkinson would have been good but he seems to be off the market. I'm not sure who I'd target.

No, I don't know enough to pretend that I can figure out who has the right schemes/philosophy, the right flexibility, and the right people skills. There are certainly some fun ideas floating out there like Hurley or Wright, but my appreciation of them is pure ignorant fandom born of storylines and hype.

It's much the same with talent evaluation and player acquisitions - if I believe in the evaluators enough, I don't pretend to know any more than I can research with my own eyes and the available quantitative data. They brought in Josh Hart and people were dismissive or even up in arms about the pick cost. They brought in DDV and there was a loud objection that it was redundant, or even a lesser version of something we already had. They brought in iHart and it was met with criticism for not being more. They signed Brunson to a huge contract and it was met with skepticism. They drafted IQ. Etc, etc, etc. Personally I'm always trying to find out WHY they did what they did if it doesn't make sense to me. With coaches there's not much available statistical data to assess them the same way there was tons of information out there on, say, KAT before he was acquired.

There are young coaches, and even established retreads, whose names aren't even on the radar of 99% of our posters right now, that have the right ideas and the right skills for the job. Hopefully they win a championship with Thibs, but if not, when the Knicks eventually decide to move on, I'm hopeful that Leon & Co can identify those guys the same way they've done a great job at identifying value plays and talent that fits and/or has room to grow.

But this Thibs situation is the first time I've ever been concerned about Leon during his tenure. The Randle situation had me worried, but they took action on that before having to commit. Thibs got a shiny new 3 year extension that hasn't even kicked in yet, and he's one of Leon's best friends. The nepotism has worked out amazingly so far for Rose, but being able to see past his personal ties with Tom is actually my biggest concern with how this 4 year window plays out.

I believe Tom will make the adjustments if and when necessary albeit maybe slower than preferred. He has faults but is a legitimate NBA coach.

[Capn'O]

I'm one of the more vocal Thibs doubters, and just like the Phoenix game, last night's performance does nothing to address my concerns with him at the helm. I've said from the beginning of the season, even through those opening few games that the Knicks are an elite contender this year, no doubt.

This roster can win a championship with Thibs as the head coach. It's that talented, and Thibs has enough positive impact with his attention to detail and general schemes. The problems those of us who are not sold on him being the best option have are his flaws. They did not appear or get exploited last night, and the supreme talent and harmony of the way this roster fits has the chance to keep them covered more often than not.

Nights like Phoenix and last night where they go out and shoot 50/60/90 as a team (absolutely unreal to watch) do not address the main concerns about Thibs as a coach. He has a specific way he puts this roster in position to shine, and the massive scoring talent that Leon has assembled shined extra bright. The concern is what happens when the shots aren't falling for the Knicks, or ARE falling for the opposition, and Thibs' specific ways aren't working, or even worse, are getting actively attacked and exploited.

This team as constructed is a multi-faceted championship-caliber roster that has the ability to beat you in a multitude of ways. I don't believe Thibs is similarly dynamic as a coach.

Also, he's a maniac.


Have you weighed in on a replacement? Atkinson would have been good but he seems to be off the market. I'm not sure who I'd target.

No, I don't know enough to pretend that I can figure out who has the right schemes/philosophy, the right flexibility, and the right people skills. There are certainly some fun ideas floating out there like Hurley or Wright, but my appreciation of them is pure ignorant fandom born of storylines and hype.

It's much the same with talent evaluation and player acquisitions - if I believe in the evaluators enough, I don't pretend to know any more than I can research with my own eyes and the available quantitative data. They brought in Josh Hart and people were dismissive or even up in arms about the pick cost. They brought in DDV and there was a loud objection that it was redundant, or even a lesser version of something we already had. They brought in iHart and it was met with criticism for not being more. They signed Brunson to a huge contract and it was met with skepticism. They drafted IQ. Etc, etc, etc. Personally I'm always trying to find out WHY they did what they did if it doesn't make sense to me. With coaches there's not much available statistical data to assess them the same way there was tons of information out there on, say, KAT before he was acquired.

There are young coaches, and even established retreads, whose names aren't even on the radar of 99% of our posters right now, that have the right ideas and the right skills for the job. Hopefully they win a championship with Thibs, but if not, when the Knicks eventually decide to move on, I'm hopeful that Leon & Co can identify those guys the same way they've done a great job at identifying value plays and talent that fits and/or has room to grow.

But this Thibs situation is the first time I've ever been concerned about Leon during his tenure. The Randle situation had me worried, but they took action on that before having to commit. Thibs got a shiny new 3 year extension that hasn't even kicked in yet, and he's one of Leon's best friends. The nepotism has worked out amazingly so far for Rose, but being able to see past his personal ties with Tom is actually my biggest concern with how this 4 year window plays out.

That's kind of it. I don't know if these guys would go out there looking for the Joe Mazzullas of the world. Now if a Hurley or Wright came available they might.

[KnixinSix]

People first said we overpaid for Hart, and he's come through. I don't think you'd trade Hart for any realistic deal, too valuable. Then OG signed for a lot, and he's having a very good season. Hopefully Mikal completes the hat trick eventually. No rush.

Hart is hitting enough of his outside shots in conjunction with his absolute elite finishing around the rim that he has become very valuable offensively as well (in addition to his defense).

OGs evolution offensively has been a pleasant surprise.

Bridges just has to settle in to his new team. Sometimes this takes longer than an impatient fanbase prefers.

[Wildcat]

People first said we overpaid for Hart, and he's come through. I don't think you'd trade Hart for any realistic deal, too valuable. Then OG signed for a lot, and he's having a very good season. Hopefully Mikal completes the hat trick eventually. No rush.

I ... can't fault that logic. I like it.

[cgmw]

So I just got home after flying in/out of Denver for 18 hours like a maniac to catch this monster of a game.

When I heard KAT was questionable I was prepared for a blowout, and I got one!

I was right in the thick of that group in section 104 with the OG chants. I mean, if we’re taking over Colorado now, I guess we just take over everywhere.

Notes from the floor:

• Brody popping off was 100% Cam’s fault
•DeAndre Jordan had an entire mid-game conversation with Pac Dadiet during a FT
•Precious is the captain of the bench
•Everytime KAT subbed out he talked to an assistant about the nuances of the Jokic matchup and the assistant just agreed with him/listened
• Deuce is incredible. Amazing game and he was still hard on himself at the end.
• The rooks seemed to know they weren’t going in until the last 90 seconds even in the blowout.
•Not much to say about Jalen, KAT, OG, and Josh except they didn’t f*cking miss
• In almost 40 years of watching nearly every game, I do not recall a more impressive offensive performance from this franchise. VERY lucky to have been there.

Between Footprint in Phoenix or Ball in Denver, I’d take Phoenix all day long. Neither compare to the Garden obviously, but hats off to the suns for an excellent in-game experience. Denver was good but a bit sterile. The very few POC in the building were all Knick fans.

[Context]

People first said we overpaid for Hart, and he's come through. I don't think you'd trade Hart for any realistic deal, too valuable. Then OG signed for a lot, and he's having a very good season. Hopefully Mikal completes the hat trick eventually. No rush.

ofcourse he will KG...only 17 games in...OG had an entire half a year playing for thibs and with Brunson and Hart..
Towns even played with Thibs in Minny...Mikal fits us like a glove...

[Context]

So I just got home after flying in/out of Denver for 18 hours like a maniac to catch this monster of a game.

When I heard KAT was questionable I was prepared for a blowout, and I got one!

I was right in the thick of that group in section 104 with the OG chants. I mean, if we’re taking over Colorado now, I guess we just take over everywhere.

Notes from the floor:

• Brody popping off was 100% Cam’s fault
•DeAndre Jordan had an entire mid-game conversation with Pac Dadiet during a FT
•Precious is the captain of the bench
•Everytime KAT subbed out he talked to an assistant about the nuances of the Jokic matchup and the assistant just agreed with him/listened
• Deuce is incredible. Amazing game and he was still hard on himself at the end.
• The rooks seemed to know they weren’t going in until the last 90 seconds even in the blowout.
•Not much to say about Jalen, KAT, OG, and Josh except they didn’t f*cking miss
• In almost 40 years of watching nearly every game, I do not recall a more impressive offensive performance from this franchise. VERY lucky to have been there.

Between Footprint in Phoenix or Ball in Denver, I’d take Phoenix all day long. Neither compare to the Garden obviously, but hats off to the suns for an excellent in-game experience. Denver was good but a bit sterile. The very few POC in the building were all Knick fans.

Thank you for this cgmw!!!! I enjoyed reading it...I felt like I was there...

[Clyde_Style]

So I just got home after flying in/out of Denver for 18 hours like a maniac to catch this monster of a game.

When I heard KAT was questionable I was prepared for a blowout, and I got one!

I was right in the thick of that group in section 104 with the OG chants. I mean, if we’re taking over Colorado now, I guess we just take over everywhere.

Notes from the floor:

• Brody popping off was 100% Cam’s fault
•DeAndre Jordan had an entire mid-game conversation with Pac Dadiet during a FT
•Precious is the captain of the bench
•Everytime KAT subbed out he talked to an assistant about the nuances of the Jokic matchup and the assistant just agreed with him/listened
• Deuce is incredible. Amazing game and he was still hard on himself at the end.
• The rooks seemed to know they weren’t going in until the last 90 seconds even in the blowout.
•Not much to say about Jalen, KAT, OG, and Josh except they didn’t f*cking miss
• In almost 40 years of watching nearly every game, I do not recall a more impressive offensive performance from this franchise. VERY lucky to have been there.

Between Footprint in Phoenix or Ball in Denver, I’d take Phoenix all day long. Neither compare to the Garden obviously, but hats off to the suns for an excellent in-game experience. Denver was good but a bit sterile. The very few POC in the building were all Knick fans.

Thank you CGM Kuralt for traveling our American byways to bring us back news from your Knicks courtside experiences

[cgmw]

So I just got home after flying in/out of Denver for 18 hours like a maniac to catch this monster of a game.

When I heard KAT was questionable I was prepared for a blowout, and I got one!

I was right in the thick of that group in section 104 with the OG chants. I mean, if we’re taking over Colorado now, I guess we just take over everywhere.

Notes from the floor:

• Brody popping off was 100% Cam’s fault
•DeAndre Jordan had an entire mid-game conversation with Pac Dadiet during a FT
•Precious is the captain of the bench
•Everytime KAT subbed out he talked to an assistant about the nuances of the Jokic matchup and the assistant just agreed with him/listened
• Deuce is incredible. Amazing game and he was still hard on himself at the end.
• The rooks seemed to know they weren’t going in until the last 90 seconds even in the blowout.
•Not much to say about Jalen, KAT, OG, and Josh except they didn’t f*cking miss
• In almost 40 years of watching nearly every game, I do not recall a more impressive offensive performance from this franchise. VERY lucky to have been there.

Between Footprint in Phoenix or Ball in Denver, I’d take Phoenix all day long. Neither compare to the Garden obviously, but hats off to the suns for an excellent in-game experience. Denver was good but a bit sterile. The very few POC in the building were all Knick fans.

Thank you CGM Kuralt for traveling our American byways to bring us back news from your Knicks courtside experiences

One thing to add, Mike Breen seems like a genuine gem of a human being. Super responsive and positive to fans and security staff.

IDK about his announcing, but Crawford plays the dapper, humble understudy role pretty well. Also super friendly to fans and staff, just positive vibes. I missed Monica though.

[Besart19]

Brunson > Curry
Mikal the Anti Klay
OG >>> Iguodala
Hart > Draymond
Towns > Durant
Mitch > Looney
McBride = Livingston
Achiuwa > West

[Besart19]

From Calderon to Brunson
From Lance Thomas to OG
From Kevin Seraphim to KAT
From Wayne Ellington to Mikal
From Samuel Dalembert to Mitch
From Malik Allen to Deuce McBride
From Quincy Acy to Precious Achiuwa
From Iman Shumpert to Joshua H(e)art
From Derek Fisher to Thomas Thibodeau

[Besart19]

just finished. that was an all time performance. OG, KAT, Brunson... just wow.
why the hell did we trade 5 picks for Bridges when we just needed a role player in that spot

Bridges, Mitch and fillers for Booker

Brunson / Payne / Kolek
Booker / Deuce / McCullar
Hart / Shamet / Dadiet
OG / Achiuwa / Ryan
Towns / Huk / Sims

[Clyde_Style]

So I just got home after flying in/out of Denver for 18 hours like a maniac to catch this monster of a game.

When I heard KAT was questionable I was prepared for a blowout, and I got one!

I was right in the thick of that group in section 104 with the OG chants. I mean, if we’re taking over Colorado now, I guess we just take over everywhere.

Notes from the floor:

• Brody popping off was 100% Cam’s fault
•DeAndre Jordan had an entire mid-game conversation with Pac Dadiet during a FT
•Precious is the captain of the bench
•Everytime KAT subbed out he talked to an assistant about the nuances of the Jokic matchup and the assistant just agreed with him/listened
• Deuce is incredible. Amazing game and he was still hard on himself at the end.
• The rooks seemed to know they weren’t going in until the last 90 seconds even in the blowout.
•Not much to say about Jalen, KAT, OG, and Josh except they didn’t f*cking miss
• In almost 40 years of watching nearly every game, I do not recall a more impressive offensive performance from this franchise. VERY lucky to have been there.

Between Footprint in Phoenix or Ball in Denver, I’d take Phoenix all day long. Neither compare to the Garden obviously, but hats off to the suns for an excellent in-game experience. Denver was good but a bit sterile. The very few POC in the building were all Knick fans.

Thank you CGM Kuralt for traveling our American byways to bring us back news from your Knicks courtside experiences

One thing to add, Mike Breen seems like a genuine gem of a human being. Super responsive and positive to fans and security staff.

IDK about his announcing, but Crawford plays the dapper, humble understudy role pretty well. Also super friendly to fans and staff, just positive vibes. I missed Monica though.

Breen does have the air of decency about him so that's good to confirm.

Jamal is already solid. Will be a good add.

[matchman]

I’m going through a sort of rough patch in life and a lot of things feel so out of control. Performances like this help me keep my sanity and belief in humanity, go Knicks!!!

Winning is a universal cure.