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I am curious if Leon would deal Mikal again if he got the opportunity to improve the team or if he dies on that hill because of the price he paid.

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Teams would still line up in the offseason to trade for Bridges. He is a very good player and there will be teams that go out early and make semi-panic-moves. We won't come close to the 5 picks, but you definitely would get 2 good role players and 2 firsts for him I think.

[The KnicksFix]

Teams would still line up in the offseason to trade for Bridges. He is a very good player and there will be teams that go out early and make semi-panic-moves. We won't come close to the 5 picks, but you definitely would get 2 good role players and 2 firsts for him I think.

You don’t deal Mikal though, you deal the coach who placed Mikal at the POA defender since game 1, when he was never that to begin with
You deal the coach and replace him with someone who puts Mikal back into his regular position as a wing defender, not point of attack

[god shammgod]

Teams would still line up in the offseason to trade for Bridges. He is a very good player and there will be teams that go out early and make semi-panic-moves. We won't come close to the 5 picks, but you definitely would get 2 good role players and 2 firsts for him I think.

You don’t deal Mikal though, you deal the coach who placed Mikal at the POA defender since game 1, when he was never that to begin with
You deal the coach and replace him with someone who puts Mikal back into his regular position as a wing defender, not point of attack

ok, you take him off poa but he's not been any good at guarding wings like tatum either so then what ? the sad truth is that he might have been a good defender while on a rookie contract but he's a pretty mediocre one now. that happens. once guys become better offensive players sometimes their defense slips. i can't say mcbride is the same defender either anymore. he used to get after it more.

[3toheadmelo]

I asked when you were going to address the 5 year record, the coach sucks, that's why we're 0-10 vs contenders. When you gonna talk about why 5 different iterations of Knicks rosters cannot beat .500 or better teams. A 10 game sample size is a lot smaller than 226 games.


We are 94-132 in 5 years vs .500 or better teams, you blame the players every single year, and every single year the Knicks change in some ways, we don't even have 1 starter left from the team 5 years ago and somehow we finished 15-23 when they finished 15-21. The only thing constant is the guy you refuse to blame The team you miss was 21-28 vs .500 or better squads last year.

I will address the 5 year record after you admit you were wrong about KAT working out at the 5 versus being at the 4

REDACTED had a 166-164 record with us, and you have yet to admit anything about him. Meanwhile, KAT is 1 win away from a season in which we'll have the highest win total in more than a decade while playing for a brain dead coach?







That 5 year record is nasty, I know it's impossible to defend

Damn so you still dying on that hill that KAT needs to be at the 5 even after he was exposed this year as the worst defensive C by far?


Only for 1 month for the 5 years thibs was here I thought we were contenders. So of course we're going to have a negative record against winning teams. That's common sense. Like are you really saying the teams that had Elfrid payton, Reggie Bullock, Nerlens Noel, Kemba Walker, Evan fournier and your favorite robot (that you were wrong about also) could've been championship contenders with a different coach? Lmao

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I will address the 5 year record after you admit you were wrong about KAT working out at the 5 versus being at the 4

REDACTED had a 166-164 record with us, and you have yet to admit anything about him. Meanwhile, KAT is 1 win away from a season in which we'll have the highest win total in more than a decade while playing for a brain dead coach?







That 5 year record is nasty, I know it's impossible to defend

Damn so you still dying on that hill that KAT needs to be at the 5 even after he was exposed this year as the worst defensive C by far?


Only for 1 month for the 5 years thibs was here I thought we were contenders. So of course we're going to have a negative record against winning teams. That's common sense. Like are you really saying the teams that had Elfrid payton, Reggie Bullock, Nerlens Noel, Kemba Walker, Evan fournier and your favorite robot (that you were wrong about also) could've been championship contenders with a different coach? Lmao

it wasn't until the og trade that we had anything better than a mediocre roster. they all hate randle but somehow thibs was supposed to have this team be a contender with him as the 2nd best player. just like when people complain he should have beat lebron, wade & bosh with the likes of deng and noah. it's idiotic. but i want him fired even more than they do. just so we can come to the realization it was the players all along and we can stop using this as an excuse. nobody ever felt the energy was off with the team until this season. well what is the difference this season ? it's not the coach. he's the same. maybe we made 2 big trades that fundamentally changed the team ? could be

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by the way, the big solution people have come up with around here is that the coach needs to make the team play exactly like the celtics with worst personnel than them. newsflash, that aint gonna work either to beat them. lol

[3toheadmelo]

REDACTED had a 166-164 record with us, and you have yet to admit anything about him. Meanwhile, KAT is 1 win away from a season in which we'll have the highest win total in more than a decade while playing for a brain dead coach?







That 5 year record is nasty, I know it's impossible to defend

Damn so you still dying on that hill that KAT needs to be at the 5 even after he was exposed this year as the worst defensive C by far?


Only for 1 month for the 5 years thibs was here I thought we were contenders. So of course we're going to have a negative record against winning teams. That's common sense. Like are you really saying the teams that had Elfrid payton, Reggie Bullock, Nerlens Noel, Kemba Walker, Evan fournier and your favorite robot (that you were wrong about also) could've been championship contenders with a different coach? Lmao

it wasn't until the og trade that we had anything better than a mediocre roster. they all hate randle but somehow thibs was supposed to have this team be a contender with him as the 2nd best player. just like when people complain he should have beat lebron, wade & bosh with the likes of deng and noah. it's idiotic. but i want him fired even more than they do. just so we can come to the realization it was the players all along and we can stop using this as an excuse. nobody ever felt the energy was off with the team until this season. well what is the difference this season ? it's not the coach. he's the same. maybe we made 2 big trades that fundamentally changed the team ? could be

Their argument against Thibs is that he should be beating superteams with mediocre rosters. It doesn't make any sense.
But yeah, watch Thibs get fired and this team gets even worse. Let's see who will finally admits the 2 trades we made were useless. I'm betting they're going to deflect and say fire leon.

[3toheadmelo]

by the way, the big solution people have come up with around here is that the coach needs to make the team play exactly like the celtics with worst personnel than them. newsflash, that aint gonna work either to beat them. lol

Stop it. KAT is 100 times better than Tatum. Mikal > Jaylen Brown and Derrick white combined. That fat orc Thibs is holding them back from being hall of famers.

[3toheadmelo]

There are people here comparing Thibs to mark Jackson. Apparently this roster has the best shooter of all time, a HOFer defender and the best shooting guard since Ray Allen that Thibs is holding back. Not serious people

So I think you're distorting my comparison to make a point, I just meant that LIKE Mark Jackson, Thibs can only take you so far. I used JB Bickerstaff too to highlight the distinction.

They're saying the talent on NY can only get you so far.

Do we have scorers as talented and versatile as Tatum, SGA and Spida?

Do we have a shotblocking floor stretching big like Porzingis, Chet or Mobley?

Do we have dynamic two guards like Jaylin, Jaylen and Spida?

Defensive guards like Holiday, White or Garland?

Our talent can only take us so far. Enjoy the ride. Who knows how the playoffs break but for the regular season us not beating Boston, Cleveland and OKC is logical.

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Teams would still line up in the offseason to trade for Bridges. He is a very good player and there will be teams that go out early and make semi-panic-moves. We won't come close to the 5 picks, but you definitely would get 2 good role players and 2 firsts for him I think.

You don’t deal Mikal though, you deal the coach who placed Mikal at the POA defender since game 1, when he was never that to begin with
You deal the coach and replace him with someone who puts Mikal back into his regular position as a wing defender, not point of attack

Then who guards POA? Mikal gets the assignment because JB can't do it. Hart can't either. You don't want OG there except against big PGs like Cade. We miss Donte in this role as well as shooting. Donte with Miles off the bench was a good 1-2 punch vs POA

[god shammgod]

So I think you're distorting my comparison to make a point, I just meant that LIKE Mark Jackson, Thibs can only take you so far. I used JB Bickerstaff too to highlight the distinction.

They're saying the talent on NY can only get you so far.

Do we have scorers as talented and versatile as Tatum, SGA and Spida?

Do we have a shotblocking floor stretching big like Porzingis, Chet or Mobley?

Do we have dynamic two guards like Jaylin, Jaylen and Spida?

Defensive guards like Holiday, White or Garland?

Our talent can only take us so far. Enjoy the ride. Who knows how the playoffs break but for the regular season us not beating Boston, Cleveland and OKC is logical.

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there's a very simple solution why okc, boston and the cavs are better than us even beyond them having better players. those teams are good at defense and we're not. it's pretty simple to figure out

[3toheadmelo]

They're saying the talent on NY can only get you so far.

Do we have scorers as talented and versatile as Tatum, SGA and Spida?

Do we have a shotblocking floor stretching big like Porzingis, Chet or Mobley?

Do we have dynamic two guards like Jaylin, Jaylen and Spida?

Defensive guards like Holiday, White or Garland?

Our talent can only take us so far. Enjoy the ride. Who knows how the playoffs break but for the regular season us not beating Boston, Cleveland and OKC is logical.

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there's a very simple solution why okc, boston and the cavs are better than us even beyond them having better players. those teams are good at defense and we're not. it's pretty simple to figure out

But but we are just a scheme away from being the best defensive team in the league!!! We just have to change the schemes and we can turn KAT into one of the best defenders in the league at the 5 even though no other coach has done that ever. Realgm here thinks they are more knowledgable than all these coaches that couldn't fix kat's defense and somehow it's Thibs fault that Mikal hasn't played good defense in years.

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They're saying the talent on NY can only get you so far.

Do we have scorers as talented and versatile as Tatum, SGA and Spida?

Do we have a shotblocking floor stretching big like Porzingis, Chet or Mobley?

Do we have dynamic two guards like Jaylin, Jaylen and Spida?

Defensive guards like Holiday, White or Garland?

Our talent can only take us so far. Enjoy the ride. Who knows how the playoffs break but for the regular season us not beating Boston, Cleveland and OKC is logical.

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there's a very simple solution why okc, boston and the cavs are better than us even beyond them having better players. those teams are good at defense and we're not. it's pretty simple to figure out

Identity change would still be possible w/o overhauling everything.
get a real 3 and d guy for Mikal / play Hart off the bench / start Mitch alongside KAT in the T-Wolves modell.

[WaltFrazier]

Hey where's the Nets game thread? If we win does the thread starter begin the playoffs too?

[3toheadmelo]

Mikal let Garland shoot 62% FG on him so we saw him get lit up by Tatum all season long and then by a small guard in Garland. If he can't lock up wings and fast guards, who tf can he even guard?

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I am curious if Leon would deal Mikal again if he got the opportunity to improve the team or if he dies on that hill because of the price he paid.

I dislike the trade as well but when someone makes such a post 2 months after Doncic was dealt to the Lakers....well there goes all his credibility.

[HopelessKnick]

It's weird that people make up some argument that 99% of the people on the other side of the argument don't even bring up and then argue against it. It is like standing in front of a mirror and talking to yourself really.

From the vast majority of Knick fans, commentators etc. that are critical of Thibs I have yet to see someone say: "Damn we should be a top 5 defensive team and it is Thibs fault we ain't there." Like anyone with the slightest bit of common sense knows that a team featuring Brunson and KAT won't be truly a top defensive team.

At least stick to the arguments people actually bring against Thibs---not your fantasy ones that maybe like 2% bring.

[HopelessKnick]

Good thing at least Mikal came out and blew that whole Thibs narrative about "players being fine playing so many minutes. It is only because of the media minutes police Thibs gets a bad rep. Players just love it." So we can at least throw away that nonsense argument in favor of Thibs.

"Players love playing 42 minutes in November and staying in a 20 point blowout win until the last possession. They don't complain. They love it, it helps them stay in shape for the postseason."

[HopelessKnick]

Mikal let Garland shoot 62% FG on him so we saw him get lit up by Tatum all season long and then by a small guard in Garland. If he can't lock up wings and fast guards, who tf can he even guard?

In Phoenix Mikal was younger and yet was averaging just 31minutes per game and only asked to shoot a couple open jumpers here and there. He averaged like 11points over 4 seasons in limited minutes. You play around 30minutes, have the responsibility of only knocking down an open jumper here and there and are strictly a wing defender. That will OBVIOUSLY help you with energy for defense.

If anyone thinks being used often as the POA, while playing 38minutes a game, while being asked to score 18points a game will translate into the same defensive effectiveness.....well don't know what to tell you.....

That being said I don't think there is anybody left in favor of having traded 5 FRPs for Bridges. It would now be the job of the coach to maximize his effectiveness....and well that's not one of Thibs strengths....