Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

[sortpar]

The Bulls waived Mike James. Aging, but possibly a better short term answer than expecting Felton to come back and make a positive contribution the rest of the season.

[nykballa2k4]

ya'll need to let me live...

I hear Toronto has a really great bar scene and girls who love to get the pipe... Perfect for the basketball family looking for a fun new home

[HarthorneWingo]

The Bulls waived Mike James. Aging, but possibly a better short term answer than expecting Felton to come back and make a positive contribution the rest of the season.

So the Bulls think they 're better off with DJ Augusin than James. Interesting.

[Nyk4lyfe]

re: Extend and Trade (It's still alive)

Similar to a sign-and-trade arrangement (see question number 89), a team may sign an eligible player to an extension (see question number 58) and immediately trade him to another team. Such an "extend-and-trade" is limited to three seasons, which include any seasons remaining on the player's current contract1. The salary in the first season of the extension can have a 4.5% raise over the last season of the existing contract, and subsequent raises are limited to 4.5% of the salary in the first season of the extension.

A player cannot be traded in an extend-and-trade after the season (for example, on draft day) in the last season of his contract, or in any season that might be the last season due to an option or ETO.

Since an extend-and-trade has greater limits than a regular extension (three seasons and 4.5% raises vs. four seasons and 7.5% raises), the rules prevent teams from circumventing these limits by extending and trading the player in separate transactions. If a team extends a player beyond the limits of an extend-and-trade (for example, if they sign a player to a four-year extension), they can't trade the player for six months. Conversely, a team cannot extend a player it receives in trade for six months, if the extension exceeds the limits of an extend-and-trade1.

Extend-and-trade transactions are rare. To date they have only been used for Kevin Garnett (traded from Minnesota to Boston in 2007) and Carmelo Anthony (traded from Denver to New York in 2011).

A rookie scale contract (see question number 48) can be extended and traded in an extend-and-trade transaction, although there is no benefit to doing so. A rookie scale extension can be signed immediately after the player is traded (such as with James Harden's trade to the Rockets in 2012), and a rookie scale extension (see question number 58) can be much larger than the extension allowed through an extend-and-trade.


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Thanks buddy

[Damas]

Nothing happened as of late huh? I hope we can get something and not walk out of the trade talks with nothing.

[K_ick_God]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

[moocow007]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

Nor the risk of having to tap into that 2015 capspace just to get a 20-30% better Felton. No long commitment to salary...stick with the plan. They want Anthony long term. Anthony is not the type of player that can lead a team of just supporting players all by himself to the promised land (not really a knock on him, not many guys can, Lebron basically and even he needed elite guys around him). IF they want Anthony, then need to focus on getting him a comparable partner in crime...not a gaggle of decent to good role players.

[Scarface844]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

Nor the risk of having to tap into that 2015 capspace just to get a 20-30% better Felton. No long commitment to salary...stick with the plan. They want Anthony long term. Anthony is not the type of player that can lead a team of just supporting players all by himself to the promised land (not really a knock on him, not many guys can, Lebron basically and even he needed elite guys around him). IF they want Anthony, then need to focus on getting him a comparable partner in crime...not a gaggle of decent to good role players.

20-30% lol. Lowry is ranked 10th in assists currently in the league. Hes avg 15ppg and 7 assists and that was with Rudy Gay hogging the ball. He also plays defense and will call out any player if he feels they screwed up. He also ups his game in crunch time.

I understand not wanting to give up a pick or young players, but dont use that as an excuse to bring Lowry down to Feltons level. Felton is trash and as you have all said, a cancer in the locker room.

[don't panac]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

Nor the risk of having to tap into that 2015 capspace just to get a 20-30% better Felton. No long commitment to salary...stick with the plan. They want Anthony long term. Anthony is not the type of player that can lead a team of just supporting players all by himself to the promised land (not really a knock on him, not many guys can, Lebron basically and even he needed elite guys around him). IF they want Anthony, then need to focus on getting him a comparable partner in crime...not a gaggle of decent to good role players.

and convince him to leave a good amount of money on the table.

[omerome]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

Nor the risk of having to tap into that 2015 capspace just to get a 20-30% better Felton. No long commitment to salary...stick with the plan. They want Anthony long term. Anthony is not the type of player that can lead a team of just supporting players all by himself to the promised land (not really a knock on him, not many guys can, Lebron basically and even he needed elite guys around him). IF they want Anthony, then need to focus on getting him a comparable partner in crime...not a gaggle of decent to good role players.

20-30% lol. Lowry is ranked 10th in assists currently in the league. Hes avg 15ppg and 7 assists and that was with Rudy Gay hogging the ball. He also plays defense and will call out any player if he feels they screwed up. He also ups his game in crunch time.

I understand not wanting to give up a pick or young players, but dont use that as an excuse to bring Lowry down to Feltons level. Felton is trash and as you have all said, a cancer in the locker room.

Even if Lowry is 31% better than Felton, he's not worth giving up the assets that Toronto is asking for.

[K_ick_God]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

Nor the risk of having to tap into that 2015 capspace just to get a 20-30% better Felton. No long commitment to salary...stick with the plan. They want Anthony long term. Anthony is not the type of player that can lead a team of just supporting players all by himself to the promised land (not really a knock on him, not many guys can, Lebron basically and even he needed elite guys around him). IF they want Anthony, then need to focus on getting him a comparable partner in crime...not a gaggle of decent to good role players.

20-30% lol. Lowry is ranked 10th in assists currently in the league. Hes avg 15ppg and 7 assists and that was with Rudy Gay hogging the ball. He also plays defense and will call out any player if he feels they screwed up. He also ups his game in crunch time.

I understand not wanting to give up a pick or young players, but dont use that as an excuse to bring Lowry down to Feltons level. Felton is trash and as you have all said, a cancer in the locker room.

He's pretty bad but Lowry is not an All-Star. And Felton likes being a Knick. He's not a cancer in the locker room.

[Fat Kat]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

Nor the risk of having to tap into that 2015 capspace just to get a 20-30% better Felton. No long commitment to salary...stick with the plan. They want Anthony long term. Anthony is not the type of player that can lead a team of just supporting players all by himself to the promised land (not really a knock on him, not many guys can, Lebron basically and even he needed elite guys around him). IF they want Anthony, then need to focus on getting him a comparable partner in crime...not a gaggle of decent to good role players.

20-30% lol. Lowry is ranked 10th in assists currently in the league. Hes avg 15ppg and 7 assists and that was with Rudy Gay hogging the ball. He also plays defense and will call out any player if he feels they screwed up. He also ups his game in crunch time.

I understand not wanting to give up a pick or young players, but dont use that as an excuse to bring Lowry down to Feltons level. Felton is trash and as you have all said, a cancer in the locker room.

Felton's not a locker room cancer. That's just BS. He is having a terrible season, but Lowry just isn't much of an upgrade. If he was, he wouldn't be on the trading block, nor would he get traded as frequently as he does. If you guys have such high praise for him, you should try to keep him.

[moocow007]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

Nor the risk of having to tap into that 2015 capspace just to get a 20-30% better Felton. No long commitment to salary...stick with the plan. They want Anthony long term. Anthony is not the type of player that can lead a team of just supporting players all by himself to the promised land (not really a knock on him, not many guys can, Lebron basically and even he needed elite guys around him). IF they want Anthony, then need to focus on getting him a comparable partner in crime...not a gaggle of decent to good role players.

20-30% lol. Lowry is ranked 10th in assists currently in the league. Hes avg 15ppg and 7 assists and that was with Rudy Gay hogging the ball. He also plays defense and will call out any player if he feels they screwed up. He also ups his game in crunch time.

I understand not wanting to give up a pick or young players, but dont use that as an excuse to bring Lowry down to Feltons level. Felton is trash and as you have all said, a cancer in the locker room.

And what exactly has Lowry done for his career that's 30%+ better than Felton? Wait...let me guess...the rest of his career doesn't matter cause it doesn't argue favorably? Lowry is what he is. He's better than Felton but he's not THAT much better. Nor is he the type of pass first PG that makes his team better that the Knicks need. Then factor in his contract situation and the potential negative impact it has on the Knicks plans of getting a REAL impact player in 2015 and he simply does not make sense...forget about giving up young players/picks.

Lowry is NOT more than 30% better than Felton. If he was significantly better most of us would be ok with trading for him.

And Felton a cancer in the lockeroom? Where'd you pull that out of? Like we've all said? I've not said it. Most other guys haven't said it. Felton not playing up to par doesn't mean he's a cancer. If that were true than last season most everyone on the Raptors were cancers...and that obviously wasn't true.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

Nor the risk of having to tap into that 2015 capspace just to get a 20-30% better Felton. No long commitment to salary...stick with the plan. They want Anthony long term. Anthony is not the type of player that can lead a team of just supporting players all by himself to the promised land (not really a knock on him, not many guys can, Lebron basically and even he needed elite guys around him). IF they want Anthony, then need to focus on getting him a comparable partner in crime...not a gaggle of decent to good role players.

20-30% lol. Lowry is ranked 10th in assists currently in the league. Hes avg 15ppg and 7 assists and that was with Rudy Gay hogging the ball. He also plays defense and will call out any player if he feels they screwed up. He also ups his game in crunch time.

I understand not wanting to give up a pick or young players, but dont use that as an excuse to bring Lowry down to Feltons level. Felton is trash and as you have all said, a cancer in the locker room.

Well, since we're using stats here, what is 70% of 15 pts and 7 assists? About 10 pts and 5 assists, which is what Felton is averaging.

[moocow007]

Nor the risk of having to tap into that 2015 capspace just to get a 20-30% better Felton. No long commitment to salary...stick with the plan. They want Anthony long term. Anthony is not the type of player that can lead a team of just supporting players all by himself to the promised land (not really a knock on him, not many guys can, Lebron basically and even he needed elite guys around him). IF they want Anthony, then need to focus on getting him a comparable partner in crime...not a gaggle of decent to good role players.

20-30% lol. Lowry is ranked 10th in assists currently in the league. Hes avg 15ppg and 7 assists and that was with Rudy Gay hogging the ball. He also plays defense and will call out any player if he feels they screwed up. He also ups his game in crunch time.

I understand not wanting to give up a pick or young players, but dont use that as an excuse to bring Lowry down to Feltons level. Felton is trash and as you have all said, a cancer in the locker room.

Well, since we're using stats here, what is 70% of 15 pts and 7 assists? About 10 pts and 5 assists, which is what Felton is averaging.

Actually if you use Felton's stats for his entire career instead of just what's favorable for Lowry the past season and 20 games, Felton's actually better than Lowry.

[Besart19]

Would both parties agree upon Felton, Udrih, Smith and MWP for Lowry and Fields/Novak!?

Chandler/Martin
Amare/Bargnani
Carmelo/Fields
Shumpert/THJ
Lowry/Prigioni

Hire Van Gundy Brothers and we can suprise all the bball world!!

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

20-30% lol. Lowry is ranked 10th in assists currently in the league. Hes avg 15ppg and 7 assists and that was with Rudy Gay hogging the ball. He also plays defense and will call out any player if he feels they screwed up. He also ups his game in crunch time.

I understand not wanting to give up a pick or young players, but dont use that as an excuse to bring Lowry down to Feltons level. Felton is trash and as you have all said, a cancer in the locker room.

Well, since we're using stats here, what is 70% of 15 pts and 7 assists? About 10 pts and 5 assists, which is what Felton is averaging.

Actually if you use Felton's stats for his entire career instead of just what's favorable for Lowry the past season and 20 games, Felton's actually better than Lowry.

[Greenie]

Would both parties agree upon Felton, Udrih, Smith and MWP for Lowry and Fields/Novak!?

Chandler/Martin
Amare/Bargnani
Carmelo/Fields
Shumpert/THJ
Lowry/Prigioni

Hire Van Gundy Brothers and we can suprise all the bball world!!

We have 2015 plans and Lowry can't sit at our table. He ain't in the circle.....

[Thugger HBC]

Would both parties agree upon Felton, Udrih, Smith and MWP for Lowry and Fields/Novak!?

Chandler/Martin
Amare/Bargnani
Carmelo/Fields
Shumpert/THJ
Lowry/Prigioni

Hire Van Gundy Brothers and we can suprise all the bball world!!

We have 2015 plans and Lowry can't sit at our table. He ain't in the circle.....

If he's willing to take a 1 year deal, he could get 1 yr 9 mil from us.

Much better than what he's worth, but we shouldnt even think of giving up what the rumored packages are.

[vallen]

More you think about it, more you realize Felton can get healthy and give us 70-80% of what Lowry does. That extra 20-30% is not worth a pick. Nope.

but that pick could be Shumpart and Lowry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shump.


or that pick could be THJ so lets just trade them Shump.