FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[NYKnicksTAPE]

We need to make a power move this off season. Idk what that is but we need to make an impact. Maybe a wade LA off season. I don't think it will happen but hey let's shot for it

No we don't. We just won 17 games this past season. This short term line of thinking got us Amare and put us in the position we're in right now. Y'all just don't learn...

[Besart19]

We need to make a power move this off season. Idk what that is but we need to make an impact. Maybe a wade LA off season. I don't think it will happen but hey let's shot for it

No we don't. We just won 17 games this past season. This short term line of thinking got us Amare and put us in the position we're in right now. Y'all just don't learn...

Ideally would be Harden/Melo/Gasol ... All-Stars at G, F and C positions

[newyorker4ever]

^Phil is going to go BPA. That's Mudiay (or Russell if Philly prefers Mudiay).

I'd be willing to bet the farm on this.

You own a farm???

[Johnny Hoops]

It's not just Hood v. Winslow. We'd also be getting WCS and a guy in Booker who could hold down the starting spot for a new and has an outside chance of being another Millsap.

Many of these guys have no ability to consider slide down and add extra assets type deals. They envision a dream superstar sitting at #4 and the thought of moving 2 or 3 spots is very frightening for them. They dont understand the notion that the Knick brass may prefer another player who they can get a few spots down

The problem is the particular trade with Utah that I critiqued doesn't involve "Assets" coming back to us in the form of Hood and Booker.

That hypothetical Knicks team would never get out of the East-hell it would be lucky to get past the second round.

Trevor Booker (27) is 2 years younger than Paul Milsap (29) and is a significantly worse free throw shooter, a worse rebounder and a worse defender than Paul Milsap. There is no upside to Booker's game at this point. Trevor Booker is actually a worse player than even Clarance Weatherspoon was.

Willie Cauley Stein as much as I like him is not worth this trade at all...if my choice was WCS plus this trade or giving a max deal to DeAndre Jordan and keeping #4, I'll take DeAndre and the #4 pick.

The only way I deal with Utah and our #4 pick is if Derrick Favors was included (hes gotten better as a player each year and still only 23 years old) he's a shot blocking, rebounding big man who also scores on offense and at 67% isn't a liability at the FT line. However seeing how hard it is to find a guy like Favors in either Free Agency or the Draft, I have a hard time believing Utah would agree to this trade. If they agreed to it, I would take it and then look to add a starting caliber PG, a wing to be Melo's sidekick and a complimentary big to play opposite Favor

I wasn't commenting specially on you and I don't favor the Utah deal either.

I would question you though on going the Mudiay / D-Jordan route. While that is intriguing I think could get a bigger bang for you buck with adding say McLemore (SG) and WCS @ #6 and then going after say Monroe & Dragic or another PG in FA. I think a trade down for WCS and slightly lower pick allows us to accumulate most quality assets and build an actual team. That said I could live with Manny and Jordan

[Yodi2007]

We need to make a power move this off season. Idk what that is but we need to make an impact. Maybe a wade LA off season. I don't think it will happen but hey let's shot for it

No we don't. We just won 17 games this past season. This short term line of thinking got us Amare and put us in the position we're in right now. Y'all just don't learn...

Ideally would be Harden/Melo/Gasol ... All-Stars at G, F and C positions

Gasol would have foul out by the 3rd quarter with those two defensive bums!

[Besart19]

No we don't. We just won 17 games this past season. This short term line of thinking got us Amare and put us in the position we're in right now. Y'all just don't learn...

Ideally would be Harden/Melo/Gasol ... All-Stars at G, F and C positions

Gasol would have foul out by the 3rd quarter with those two defensive bums!

[Yodi2007]

Mudiay
Wade
Melo
bargnani
Hibbert

DO IT

No shooting, injury prone, soft, slow interior D, and involves Bargnani wearing a Knicks uniform.

Melo and Bargs are good shooters for their position. Hibbert is a really good rim protector. Agree on the injuries tho

worst defensive and injury prone team period! We'd be 8th seed at best.

[spitta andretti]

:evil:

No shooting, injury prone, soft, slow interior D, and involves Bargnani wearing a Knicks uniform.

Melo and Bargs are good shooters for their position. Hibbert is a really good rim protector. Agree on the injuries tho

worst defensive and injury prone team period! We'd be 8th seed at best.

relax dude

[92Knicksfan93]

Many of these guys have no ability to consider slide down and add extra assets type deals. They envision a dream superstar sitting at #4 and the thought of moving 2 or 3 spots is very frightening for them. They dont understand the notion that the Knick brass may prefer another player who they can get a few spots down

The problem is the particular trade with Utah that I critiqued doesn't involve "Assets" coming back to us in the form of Hood and Booker.

That hypothetical Knicks team would never get out of the East-hell it would be lucky to get past the second round.

Trevor Booker (27) is 2 years younger than Paul Milsap (29) and is a significantly worse free throw shooter, a worse rebounder and a worse defender than Paul Milsap. There is no upside to Booker's game at this point. Trevor Booker is actually a worse player than even Clarance Weatherspoon was.

Willie Cauley Stein as much as I like him is not worth this trade at all...if my choice was WCS plus this trade or giving a max deal to DeAndre Jordan and keeping #4, I'll take DeAndre and the #4 pick.

The only way I deal with Utah and our #4 pick is if Derrick Favors was included (hes gotten better as a player each year and still only 23 years old) he's a shot blocking, rebounding big man who also scores on offense and at 67% isn't a liability at the FT line. However seeing how hard it is to find a guy like Favors in either Free Agency or the Draft, I have a hard time believing Utah would agree to this trade. If they agreed to it, I would take it and then look to add a starting caliber PG, a wing to be Melo's sidekick and a complimentary big to play opposite Favor

I wasn't commenting specially on you and I don't favor the Utah deal either.

I would question you though on going the Mudiay / D-Jordan route. While that is intriguing I think could get a bigger bang for you buck with adding say McLemore (SG) and WCS @ #6 and then going after say Monroe & Dragic or another PG in FA. I think a trade down for WCS and slightly lower pick allows us to accumulate most quality assets and build an actual team. That said I could live with Manny and Jordan

If McLemore could defend and rebound at 21 like Winslow does at 19 I would be happy with that type of deal because McLemore can score. However he's an inch shorter in height than Winslow (6'3.5" without shoes compared to 6'4.5" for Winslow), 3 inches shorter in length (6'7" wingspan for McLemore compared to 6'10.25" for Winslow), and is 4 inches shorter in standing reach (McLemore is 8'4" compared to Winslow being 8'8"). I would rather do the Denver trade but for Ty Lawson, use Denver's pick on Justise Winslow, and sign DeAndre Jordan. We've improved PG, SG, and C in the process.

[SARGO127]

Thinking out loud...

Calderon, #4 to Philly for Noel, #35, #37

Noel played much better post ASB - over 2 BPG and 2 SPG.

Noel is better than WCS IMO

[AmazingJason]

Mudiay aint coming here...so dont get your hopes up...Phil likes guys who can shoot the ball...

Additionally, this interest on Millsap and Carroll is bizarre...both guys got destroyed by LBJ and some Ex-Knicks and you want to invest big money in them???

Hawks don't have a superstar in Melo....

People forget sometimes we have Melo. He is the closest to LeBron we have in the NBA.

wtf? This can't be serious...

He is certainly not on LeBron's tier.

But he is the closest to LeBron. The size and quickness. Scoring, rebounding, ability to facilitate. Melo is very talented; he's just not a leader or have as high IQ and decision-making ability.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Thinking out loud...

Calderon, #4 to Philly for Noel, #35, #37

Noel played much better post ASB - over 2 BPG and 2 SPG.

Noel is better than WCS IMO

Boooooo!!!!! That is horrible

[SARGO127]

Thinking out loud...

Calderon, #4 to Philly for Noel, #35, #37

Noel played much better post ASB - over 2 BPG and 2 SPG.

Noel is better than WCS IMO

Boooooo!!!!! That is horrible

Yah, what if we got the lakers future pick too?

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Thinking out loud...

Calderon, #4 to Philly for Noel, #35, #37

Noel played much better post ASB - over 2 BPG and 2 SPG.

Noel is better than WCS IMO

Boooooo!!!!! That is horrible

Yah, what if we got the lakers future pick too?

I know this sounds crazy, but how about we just keep our pick? The first one does absolutely nothing for us, and the 2nd with the Lakers pick isn't happening and sucks too

[vallen]

I wonder what advice Big Bro Pau has for Marc about FA. was Pau even close to a chip without Phil ? who he ironically left the Grizz to join..

[SARGO127]

Boooooo!!!!! That is horrible

Yah, what if we got the lakers future pick too?

I know this sounds crazy, but how about we just keep our pick? The first one does absolutely nothing us, and the 2nd with the Lakers pick isn't happening and sucks too

I keep the pick 10/10 times if Okafor, Towns, or Russell fall to #4. I'm just not completely sold on Mudiay to be honest. If we can dump Calderon and pick up another asset, while moving down a few spots - you have to certainly consider it.

A deal like Calderon, 4, Early for McLemore, 6 makes too much sense for us not to pass up IMO. We can still add one of Kristaps, Winslow, Mario, WCS at 6 while clearing up an additional 5-6 mil and picking up a young wing in McLemore.

[92Knicksfan93]

Yah, what if we got the lakers future pick too?

I know this sounds crazy, but how about we just keep our pick? The first one does absolutely nothing us, and the 2nd with the Lakers pick isn't happening and sucks too

I keep the pick 10/10 times if Okafor, Towns, or Russell fall to #4. I'm just not completely sold on Mudiay to be honest. If we can dump Calderon and pick up another asset, while moving down a few spots - you have to certainly consider it.

A deal like Calderon, 4, Early for McLemore, 6 makes too much sense for us not to pass up IMO. We can still add one of Kristaps, Winslow, Mario, WCS at 6 while clearing up an additional 5-6 mil and picking up a young wing in McLemore.

Calderon, Early and 4 for McLemore is overpaying for a 2Guard who lacks Winslow's length reach and ability to defend and rebound. All you're purchasing in that McLemore trade is highlight dunks. McLemore doesn't make us a better team he's just a more athletic THJR with equally bad defense. I would rather keep our pick and draft Winslow or trade down with Denver for Lawson and their pick and use Denver's pick on Winslow. But I no way am I giving up 4 without making the Knicks a better team. And I'm not going to give up the 4 just to shed Calderon. I'd rather cut him or keep him.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Yah, what if we got the lakers future pick too?

I know this sounds crazy, but how about we just keep our pick? The first one does absolutely nothing us, and the 2nd with the Lakers pick isn't happening and sucks too

I keep the pick 10/10 times if Okafor, Towns, or Russell fall to #4. I'm just not completely sold on Mudiay to be honest. If we can dump Calderon and pick up another asset, while moving down a few spots - you have to certainly consider it.

A deal like Calderon, 4, Early for McLemore, 6 makes too much sense for us not to pass up IMO. We can still add one of Kristaps, Winslow, Mario, WCS at 6 while clearing up an additional 5-6 mil and picking up a young wing in McLemore.

Why aren't u sold on Mudiay? Russell has more question marks than him. Trading the #4 pick just to get rid of Calderon is horrible. That's using yet another asset to try and fix another mistake that we made, which is what we always do! Clearing more cap space will just give us more money to spend on 2nd and 3rd tier players. There's also no reason to do something so short sighted when the cap is set to explode the following year.
WCS will be a bad selection for us. He can't score on his own, and we have no PG to set him up for easy baskets. We play at the slowest pace in the league while he excels in an uptempto offense, and he will be expected to anchor our defense which was one of the worst in the league. Of course, he will fail miserably at it because he's a rookie. Ben McLemore is nothing special at all...just a better shooting Shumpert. He's a dime a dozen in the NBA. I'll take quality assets over quantity

[92Knicksfan93]

People need to get it through their heads Ben McLemore is not a very good player. He's limited athletically: at 6'3.5" without shoes with a 6'7" wingspan, and 8'4" standing reach he's going to struggle on the glass and defending against longer wings and will be bothered by them when he's on offense. On a good team he's a high energy 6th/7th man off the bench line a Shannon Brown type player. He's never going to be a star and he's definitely not worth giving up the #4 pick.

[SARGO127]

Do you guys only read what you want to read? We trade down 2 spots while dumping Calderon and picking up McLemore. McLemore is not the center of the deal, at all....