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Post#361 » by TrueWarrior » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:53 pm

NYKnick87 wrote:Why would all these rappers even be part of the Illuminati? Why would they even be recruited? How would their inclusion further the Illuminati's goal of a new world order? Ask yourself - does it make sense?


http://www.illuminati-news.com/used-artists.htm

How Artists Are Used By The Illuminati
Have you ever asked yourself why some artists have reached the Top and stayed there, although their music or acting is way under the average? How can someone who does not know anything about music become a famous rock star? And how come some people with lots of talent and ideas never stand a chance? Bad luck? Hardly. The "BIG" rock stars and actors are heavily used by the Illuminati. Some of them are programmed from the day they were born to become puppets for the Elite, and some of them are picked up later in life because they have "the right attitude" and can be worked with. Those young people are introduced into the Occult; into secret orders like the Freemasons, the OTO, the Rosicrucians, Scientology and others. Within those cults they are taught how to think and (re)act in order to enhance the Agenda.

This is how the Elite has planned it with regards to using art to help out with achieving the goals:

1. The Illuminati is planning a new phase in their mission to take over: Much of the planning is political and financial and is happening behind the scenes, but two of their most powerful instruments are Hollywood and the Music Industry, because that is the way they can reach the masses. So they set a new trend to promote their latest strategy.

2. They use mind controlled people (musicians/actors/producers etc.) to set the trend, promising them wealth, drugs, groupies and/or whatever they want, in order to be satisfied. Those "artists" are heavily promoted with techniques learnt from Nazi Germany, which had developed the most extraordinary techniques to manipulate the masses that this world has ever seen. L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, confessed in public (to his disciples) that he used Goebbel's Propaganda Machine to get people into the cult (and keep them there). The Illuminati has no problems promoting whatever they want, and have people responding to their favor.

3. The "Trend-Makers" (The Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Sex Pistols, Eminem, Curt Cubain, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin etc.) set the direction for the new trend, and people will start worshipping those new idols.

4. Other (often more talanted) musicians follow up on that trend and create their own version of the new idea. Those musicians can be ordinary people like you and me, who have never been close to Governmental Mind Control. Those musicians (and actors) don't have to be severely mind controlled to unknowingly help out with the Agenda of the Elite. They just jump on the same train and the snowball effect is starting. Thus, the Illuminati, who started the trend, can sit back and watch. We, the citizens, are doing the rest for them.

5. Other gifted musicians and actors, who are creating art that goes outside the Agenda - or against it - have no chance to get their message out broadly, because nobody at the top of the Industry (where the money is) is willing to promote them. The International Bankers (The Illuminati) are the ones who own the Industry. As soon as someone is creating something (may be music, a new label with contrary ideas or something similar) that opposes what is next on the Agenda, the Illuminati is quick to buy it out. If the Company refuses to sell, they are threatened. We all have seen Mafia Movies. This is the way it is - but on different layers.

6. However - the Illuminati's mind control programs (which spans through MK Ultra, Monarch and others) are not 100% workable. The human spirit is strong. Intelligent people like John Lennon, Jim Morrison, Curt Cubain, Jimi Hendrix and others started taking action AGAINST what they were programmed and controlled to do. The end of that story is sad, I'm afraid - those people were all killed. But the truth will come out broadly one of these days, and their courage will be noticed.

The Good News:

No matter how hard the people in power try to manipulate the masses and control the minds of those we are listening to, the human spirit is strong. I lived together with a person who had been abused like this by the Secret Government, but she started remembering thing she was "not supposed to remember". And I'll tell you - those people, who have been used and abused, who start to remember, are the most valuable people we have at this point, to tell us what is going on, and who is pulling the strings.


Ive said all I needed to say on this. You obviously havent watched the videos I posted or you wouldnt have asked the first question they answer.

I suggest watching all 6 parts to the video I posted on the last page "Music Industry Exposed".

Otherwise Im done on the topic. Not tryin to go crazy here...

All Im saying is think for yourselves. You dont gotta believe all of it but dont deny that some of the sh*t is staring right at you in the face. All these deaths from Tupac, Michael Jackson, ODB, Pimp C, Lennon, Hendrix, Morrison, Cobain etc were all very sketchy and nobody really knew who did it to most of them, unless it was framed as a "suicide". You think this is all a coincidence? I think youd have to be pretty blind to think that way. Not that you are.

Again, just use your own judgment...

Heres another article breaking down Lil Waynes Video "On Fire"

http://theilluminatiwatch.com/tag/lil-wayne/

I guess all these guys just love reppin Satan for fun? Its cool right?
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Post#362 » by richardhutnik » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:55 pm

ewing399 wrote:lol the illuminati is a cute idea, but i doubt that it truly exist. its a far too easy of an explanation.

basically four main entities that govern the world.

- big business
- big government
- organized crime
- and organized religion

All four have two things in common;
- they prey on people's fears
- and they all profit from that

you don't need a formal conspiracy of men meeting up when interest converge. they all know what good for them.


Organized religion, as would any philosophical system of belief that has organizations around it, isn't looking to make financial gain as its main motivation. It exists for other things beyond money. it seeks to gain members and have their hearts and minds (this is whether it be religion, or politics, or even economic system). Money is a means to an end, and isn't the end goal. To say it is, is to totally cheapen what it is about. It wants worship more than it wants money. To say otherwise is to totally cheapen it. It is MORE about control than wealth, FAR more (yet wealth can be a tool also).

In regards to having things in common, err maybe. Fear is there, but there are other emotional drives they would capitialize on also, like guilt, or the desire for pleasure, or any other sort of base emotional states.

Not being able to see this means, very likely, that the not seeing it is a sign of being blinded by money as everything. There are other forces at work in this world. It is important to try to understand these to really understand what is going on. Or you will end up being shallow as a person, and get caught off guard.

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Post#363 » by richardhutnik » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:58 pm

By the way a cool game to play is the Illuminati game:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_%28game%29

It involves secret cabals plotting to control the world. If you get a chance, play the game.

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Post#364 » by TrueWarrior » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:01 pm

Rich are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

I dont think this Illuminati stuff is 100%, but dare I say 75% of it makes total sense. They want power and they want to control the masses. Movies and music are just the best ways to get the biggest reach. To distract us from whats really going on while the higher ups bring forth their "new world order" plan. They use these artists as puppets.

Ugh... I really need to stop!
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Post#365 » by richardhutnik » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:14 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:Rich are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

I dont think this Illuminati stuff is 100%, but dare I say 75% of it makes total sense. They want power and they want to control the masses. Movies and music are just the best ways to get the biggest reach. To distract us from whats really going on while the higher ups bring forth their "new world order" plan. They use these artists as puppets.

Ugh... I really need to stop!


I believe there is validity behind what the data means, like Rain Man. HOWEVER, the conclusions reached from the meaning from the data, and how it is being organized, is very likely wrong. I don't believe artists are puppets, but individuals who buy into the system, and want to be part and voluntarily use it (and then do get caught up in the moment and are changed). I don't believe there is some sort of cabal of humans trying to directly organize a new world order. I do believe there are patterns of thought that are working on a local level with people and artists, that end up causing things that seem like there are higher ups doing things.

There are longings of humans to control, that comes from their nature, and there is a ton of positioning independently, to capitalize on it. What is going on is as clear as day, because what is going on is how it is done. And if you see patterns, they are there. But you aren't going to find a dark back room anywhere at all. The patterns and control are in the words, and the thoughts floating about. And you won't predict what is going to happen. If you start getting on this 2012 kick to, it is more a sign of being mad.

Any more on this, and I am going to need to go out and get Alan Wake.

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Post#366 » by TrueWarrior » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:25 pm

Fair enough Rich. Whether its the Illuminati or not, there is something going on.

You guys may continue your discussions now. Just thought Id spice things up a little.

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Post#367 » by NYKnick87 » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:20 pm

TW - No offense, but how about you think for yourself and stop completely buying into this conspiracy theory.

Seriously, Cobain? Dude was a heavy drug abuser and made several suicide attempts. If you look at all the artists you mentioned - ODB, Pimp C, Hendrix, Morrison, etc. ALL were caught up in drugs. Eventually, their lifestyle caught up with them. Why even bring up ODB and Pimp C? Outside a small segment in America, what kind of influence did they yield? Was it enough that their "disobedience" or "split" from the Illuminati warranted their deaths? Highly doubtful. Bruce Lee died mysteriously. Was he killed off by them too? Not every single mysterious death is linked to the Illuminati.
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Post#368 » by ITGM » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:31 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:Fair enough Rich. Whether its the Illuminati or not, there is something going on.

You guys may continue your discussions now. Just thought Id spice things up a little.

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I remember last year I made a topic about the Masonic and Illuminati influence that's going on around us and you bashed it pretty hard, so I wasn't 100% sure your recent postings were genuine or facetious. I was curious to see if you planned on changing your avatar now that you are entering a different understanding of the world around you and I see that you have. May God bless you on your quest for seeking the truth and may your eyes and ears reject the manipulations and deceptions that awaits you.
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Post#369 » by TrueWarrior » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:34 pm

NYKnick87 wrote:TW - No offense, but how about you think for yourself and stop completely buying into this conspiracy theory.

Seriously, Cobain? Dude was a heavy drug abuser and made several suicide attempts. If you look at all the artists you mentioned - ODB, Pimp C, Hendrix, Morrison, etc. ALL were caught up in drugs. Eventually, their lifestyle caught up with them. Why even bring up ODB and Pimp C? Outside a small segment in America, what kind of influence did they yield? Was it enough that their "disobedience" or "split" from the Illuminati warranted their deaths? Highly doubtful. Bruce Lee died mysteriously. Was he killed off by them too? Not every single mysterious death is linked to the Illuminati.


I do have my opinion. I never said I believed it all. But I believe some of it yea. Alot of the whole suicide/drug things is what they want you to believe.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and- ... of-art.htm

Take a gander at that and form your own opinion. Dont be so quick to brush things off and accept whatever they tell you. Then again dont believe everything the articles I say tell you either. You have free will and may use it whenever you please.
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Post#370 » by TrueWarrior » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:36 pm

ITGM wrote:
TrueWarrior wrote:Fair enough Rich. Whether its the Illuminati or not, there is something going on.

You guys may continue your discussions now. Just thought Id spice things up a little.

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I remember last year I made a topic about the Masonic and Illuminati influence that's going on around us and you bashed it pretty hard, so I wasn't 100% sure your recent postings were genuine or facetious. I was curious to see if you planned on changing your avatar now that you are entering a different understanding of the world around you and I see that you have. May God bless you on your quest for seeking the truth and may your eyes and ears reject the manipulations and deceptions that awaits you.


Did I? Id love to see that thread now. Obviously Im a changed man. As a HUGE fan of rock and rap music this is especially freaky. But to each their own.

All I know is that I caused quite a stir on facebook with this. I have 31 replies to my videos and most of them are on my side ha.
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Post#371 » by richardhutnik » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:45 pm

NYKnick87 wrote:TW - No offense, but how about you think for yourself and stop completely buying into this conspiracy theory.

Seriously, Cobain? Dude was a heavy drug abuser and made several suicide attempts. If you look at all the artists you mentioned - ODB, Pimp C, Hendrix, Morrison, etc. ALL were caught up in drugs. Eventually, their lifestyle caught up with them. Why even bring up ODB and Pimp C? Outside a small segment in America, what kind of influence did they yield? Was it enough that their "disobedience" or "split" from the Illuminati warranted their deaths? Highly doubtful. Bruce Lee died mysteriously. Was he killed off by them too? Not every single mysterious death is linked to the Illuminati.


Why would an organization so powerful that it could gain control of people, and civilization need to kill anyone? Do people somehow think that Michael Jackson saying there is an Illuminati, or others coming out, going to have a HUGE impact on what people think? It is FAR better to end up having the noise of a free society to mask what people have to say, than to silence anyone. If you can drive someone to get depressed to kill themselves, that is different. What I personally see is mass cultural movements that cause people to do themselves in. There are far greater ways to destroy people than kill them. Have the lust for money drive them to destroy people in the court of public opinion, like what happened with Michael Jackson, for example.

Feed and foster a culture that has a love of money over everything else, and then spin a few events and destroy those who work against your values. Consider Michael Jackson's song Money:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxR2p88_btw[/youtube]

And you can end up writing songs like this, to warn, and the end up joining the noise of society. Such messages are heralded as great, but few people will actually heed them. Hey, the system won't let them. Pretty much launch the system and let it do its mayhem. Better yet, get people to listen to the lies and build it themselves. It all starts with a few whispers and a few lyrics, and the lust and greed breaks out. And then you want to be the Rain Man, or serve the Rain Man.

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Post#372 » by TrueWarrior » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:51 pm

And earlier in this thread the LeBron thing was posted. I kind of added a few other instances he did the Pyramid, followed by the double 666 signs, followed by the Baphomet pose

You can see him do all three in the Young Jeezy appearence video on the last page. Ill post it again.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Y9pKnddUc[/youtube]

You think LeBron did all three of those in succession for no reason? He does the 666 signs, then the Pyramid and then more 666 signs right after eachother at around the 1:15 mark, and about 10 seconds later does the Baphomet pose with another 666 sign FOLLOWED by a circle he makes in his hand which he looks through.

Baphomet - http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/u ... phomet.png

Hey call me crazy all you want, but its so blatant that I would love to hear you guys' reasoning for it.

Unlike its all just some sick joke...
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Post#373 » by ITGM » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:53 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2CVAnRByfg[/youtube]

This might help lead you further down the rabbit's hole.

This is just part 1 out of 29 vids, Im not claiming that this is all totally accurate (I don't agree with the Prince Harry Conspiracy) But I do feel about 75% is in concordance with my years of experience and research.
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Post#374 » by TrueWarrior » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:58 pm

Rich they kill you off before you spill the beans totally. Sure you can put some hints in your songs but most people wont pick up on it.

Listen to Michaels song. "They Dont Really Care About Us" He was actually going to perform this song at his concert before he died.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJL6nfu__Q[/youtube]

Go to the 1:05 mark. The whole song is about the Illuminati and then he says "You cant kill me" RIGHT NEXT TO AN ALL SEEING EYE?

Come on man... Just come on...
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Post#375 » by ITGM » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:02 pm

You also might want to Youtube' "They sold their souls for rock and roll" and "Robert Johnson Crossroads" Robert Johnson has been considered by many as the Father of Rock and Roll, knowing what you know now you will understand why so many hold him in such high regards.
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Post#376 » by TrueWarrior » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:09 pm

Will def check it out when I have time ITGM.

I mean I always just thought the whole devil/satan crap in rock was just there to make it seem rebellious, sexy, and cool. Turns out those are the exact things they want you to feel.

I dont think rock and rap have made me a bad person at all. But I dont think theres any question that kids these days are much more rebellious and act up more than they did 60+ years ago. Even if we mostly grow out of it eventually. Something must be working a little but I dont think they are THAT powerful, in the music industry at least.

Its just freaky and damn interesting really.

All I know is that music is VERY influential.
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Post#377 » by magnumt » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:13 pm

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^So has anyone else enjoyed the aforementioned Morgan Freeman's new show Wormhole on the Science Channel?

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Post#378 » by j4remi » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:33 pm

magnumt wrote:http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1016197&start=315#p23708268

^So has anyone else enjoyed the aforementioned Morgan Freeman's new show Wormhole on the Science Channel?

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Post#379 » by richardhutnik » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:07 pm

Since people insist on rambling on here about this and that, and the nature of evil, I will give this bit from the Bible. Note the order of the the motivations behind the top sins that appeared in the Bible, and single out, from the first onward in Genesis:
* To become like God (Adam and Eve in the Garden)
* To be approved by God (Cain and Abel)
* To be with God (Tower of Babel).

You do have the Flood in there also and a general corrupt state, but look at how things devolved here. All are perversions of what seem like good goals.

Anyhow, carry on.

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Post#380 » by magnumt » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:13 pm

@Remi: Consider trying Torrentz? Hule might have it too, and try the Science Channel's website itself. Also, remember what we talked about on Yahoo IM last Month about this Month? You ready? PM you're response. Thanks bro. :)

richardhutnik wrote:Since people insist on rambling on here about this and that, and the nature of evil, I will give this bit from the Bible. Note the order of the the motivations behind the top sins that appeared in the Bible, and single out, from the first onward in Genesis:
* To become like God (Adam and Eve in the Garden)
* To be approved by God (Cain and Abel)
* To be with God (Tower of Babel).

You do have the Flood in there also and a general corrupt state, but look at how things devolved here. All are perversions of what seem like good goals.

Anyhow, carry on.

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Relax.

People are in here just discussing their POVs on both sides, no need to be a Tool about it.

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