[Camelo Thread Part 17] - Denver makes trade offer p58

vallen · Post #361 » by **vallen** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:39 am

seren wrote:Mozgov should be untouchable. Never trade big for small.

Unless the big is Curry.

Earl Barron averaged 11/11 for us, and didnt give up half the dunks. I like Moz, I think he has upside, but hes not untouchable by any means...

Pharmcat · Post #362 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:40 am

GONYK wrote:
NYK0605 wrote:
Yeah...actually I am. Im sorry that I am sick of seeing guys like Kobe and Lebron light up the Garden every time they come here. Sorry that I actually want a competitive team back here and the only way to do so is to get Melo which could potentially lead to CP3/Deron.

You guys are so pathetic nutthugging our young players who in reality couldn't carry Melo's jockstrap. We are still keeping Fields in that deal. We could always find a guy just like Mozgov with MLE/cheap signing. Guys will be linnig up to come here. Gallo wouldn't even be able to be resigned most likely in 2012 with a chance at a 3rd star. Enough already with being so reluctant about giving up our guys. We would still keep Fields and maybe even AR too and im sure Walsh would get maybe JR Smith back. I also don't believe it will come down to the deal. I believe in Walsh. He is a veteran dealing with rookies. I am not telling him to do that deal now but if it comes down to that at 2:59, you need to pull the trigger.

Posters like you completely miss the point. It's not about whether Moz and Gallo will ever be as good as Melo. It's about paying more than you have to and gutting the team for no reason.

How do people constantly miss this?

Also, stop bringing up what might happen to Gallo in 2012. Somebody has to play the games until then, and I would much rather have Gallo than not have him.

team has to be gutted anyways if NY is following the "toast"

i dont really have a problem blowing it up, having amare/melo + space going into the 2012 FA period
(i dont see amare/melo + leftover pieces after melo deal winning a title anyways)

Post #363 » by **GONYK** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:42 am

Pharmcat wrote:
team has to be gutted anyways if NY is following the "toast"

i dont really have a problem blowing it up, having amare/melo + space going into the 2012 FA period
(i dont see amare/melo + leftover pieces after melo deal winning a title anyways)

Aren't you the one who is always saying that we can't keep looking toward the next offseason and have to start producing now?

seren · Post #364 » by **seren** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:42 am

Pharmcat wrote:
seren wrote:Mozgov should be untouchable. Never trade big for small.

Unless the big is Curry.

how did oden over durant turn out?

OK. I shall change that. Never trade big for small unless big is hurt. Then again, how could Portlant know?

Pharmcat · Post #365 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:44 am

GONYK wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
team has to be gutted anyways if NY is following the "toast"

i dont really have a problem blowing it up, having amare/melo + space going into the 2012 FA period
(i dont see amare/melo + leftover pieces after melo deal winning a title anyways)

Aren't you the one who is always saying that we can't keep looking toward the next offseason and have to start producing now?

hmmm? not sure, i know ive been saying to get melo now whatever the cost, i'll admit that

not sure bout, but with the unrest in UT, i think its worth it to get amare/melo and see what happens to deron

Post #366 » by **GONYK** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:45 am

Pharmcat wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
team has to be gutted anyways if NY is following the "toast"

i dont really have a problem blowing it up, having amare/melo + space going into the 2012 FA period
(i dont see amare/melo + leftover pieces after melo deal winning a title anyways)

Aren't you the one who is always saying that we can't keep looking toward the next offseason and have to start producing now?

hmmm? not sure, i know ive been saying to get melo now whatever the cost, i'll admit that

not sure bout, but with the unrest in UT, i think its worth it to get amare/melo and see what happens to deron

True, but in the meantime, somebody has to play the games for us. We can't blow up the team, and just have Melo/Amare and then Bill Walker and Shawn Williams and expect to win games.

There is 0 need to blow up the team right now, even if we are looking toward 2012

Pharmcat · Post #367 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:47 am

NYsportsfan6230 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
seren wrote:Mozgov should be untouchable. Never trade big for small.

Unless the big is Curry.

how did oden over durant turn out?

How could Portland ever conceive that Oden would be hurt this much.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but if you go back that would be the choice every single time. Oden was the better player at that time and there was questions about Durant's lanky frame.

Obviously now you take Durant but if I was Portland I have nothing to feel bad about, they made the right choice at the time, they just had crap luck.

wasnt there a nba exec who said oden has had injury concerns since 7th grade?

the durant thing was so overblown, he couldnt bench anything, which is easily explained by his long arms

Pharmcat · Post #368 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:48 am

GONYK wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
GONYK wrote:
hmmm? not sure, i know ive been saying to get melo now whatever the cost, i'll admit that

not sure bout, but with the unrest in UT, i think its worth it to get amare/melo and see what happens to deron

True, but in the meantime, somebody has to play the games for us. We can't blow up the team, and just have Melo/Amare and then Bill Walker and Shawn Williams and expect to win games.

There is 0 need to blow up the team right now, even if we are looking toward 2012

yea, but even with melo/amare and whatever is leftover (say they only get 1/3) , i dont see that team winning the chip anyways

Post #369 » by **GONYK** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:49 am

Pharmcat wrote:
yea, but even with melo/amare and whatever is leftover (say they only get 1/3) , i dont see that team winning the chip anyways

Neither do I, but we will be a hell of a lot closer with Gallo and Moz than we would be without them.

Post #370 » by **magnumt** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:49 am

What excuse do you have for Dujuan Blair Pharmcat?

PrecociousNeoph · Post #371 » by **PrecociousNeoph** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:49 am

I wish Denver would wake the hell up and work with Donnie to get something done.

Pharmcat · Post #372 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:50 am

magnumt wrote:What excuse do you have for Dujuan Blair Pharmcat?

none, he has no ACL in his knees, totally not worth it for a team rebuilding to get him

SAS can afford to take the risk as they already are established

Post #373 » by **moocow007** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:50 am

Once again, NY needs to get back players if the Nuggets are looking to take half the team. Beyond helping NY, the Nuggets simply do not have the roster spots to do a 5 or 6 for 1. So...once again...the end goal is about having a team that can compete (while smoking the Deron Williams or CP3 pipedream later). So that means getting back guys like JR Smith, Chris Anderson, etc., etc., etc. in a mult-year deal.

NYsportsfan6230 · Post #374 » by **NYsportsfan6230** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:52 am

Pharmcat wrote:wasnt there a nba exec who said oden has had injury concerns since 7th grade?

the durant thing was so overblown, he couldnt bench anything, which is easily explained by his long arms

My memory has abandoned me right now. Do you remember if he was hurt at all through his college career?

Post #375 » by **GONYK** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:53 am

NYsportsfan6230 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:wasnt there a nba exec who said oden has had injury concerns since 7th grade?

the durant thing was so overblown, he couldnt bench anything, which is easily explained by his long arms

My memory has abandoned me right now. Do you remember if he was hurt at all through his college career?

He had a wrist injury

vallen · Post #376 » by **vallen** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:58 am

moocow007 wrote:Once again, NY needs to get back players if the Nuggets are looking to take half the team. Beyond helping NY, the Nuggets simply do not have the roster spots to do a 5 or 6 for 1. So...once again...the end goal is about having a team that can compete (while smoking the Deron Williams or CP3 pipedream later). So that means getting back guys like JR Smith, Chris Anderson, etc., etc., etc. in a mult-year deal.

exactly, other players have to move, and DEN has several contracts they want moved that would affect any plans for us in 2012.

but with Amare due 20 mill in 2012 and Melo would be right around that as well, how realistic is signing a #3 in 2012 ? The Divas took Pay Cuts and it was in there 1st year. We'll be deep into max contracts with raises.

Post #377 » by **nyknicks2k2** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:58 am

Pharmcat wrote:wasnt there a nba exec who said oden has had injury concerns since 7th grade?

the durant thing was so overblown, he couldnt bench anything, which is easily explained by his long arms

So you were taking Durant over Oden back then?

I don't believe that for a second.

Post #378 » by **GONYK** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:59 am

vallen wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Once again, NY needs to get back players if the Nuggets are looking to take half the team. Beyond helping NY, the Nuggets simply do not have the roster spots to do a 5 or 6 for 1. So...once again...the end goal is about having a team that can compete (while smoking the Deron Williams or CP3 pipedream later). So that means getting back guys like JR Smith, Chris Anderson, etc., etc., etc. in a mult-year deal.

exactly, other players have to move, and DEN has several contracts they want moved that would affect any plans for us in 2012.

but with Amare due 20 mill in 2012 and Melo would be right around that as well, how realistic is signing a #3 in 2012 ? The Divas took Pay Cuts and it was in there 1st year. We'll be deep into max contracts with raises.

It isn't very realistic

Starksfor3 · Post #379 » by **Starksfor3** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:59 am

I think Denver's gonna hold on to Melo and try and force feed him the notion that the Knicks low-balled Denver in trade negotiations. They will try to sell Melo the fact that the Knicks never really wanted him (took him for granted) and hope the CBA pressure is enough to convince him to stay.

If Melo is who WE THOUGHT HE WAS (THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THE DAMN FIELD), he will end up a Knick in the offseason. No need to gut the team since we're not winning a damn thing this year anyway. And yes.....I'm aware that

1.) we will still have to dump contracts to have enough room for a max (don't care....not getting raped by Denver giving them half our roster....we'll do the raping when we send them a second round pick in the offseason or just take Melo and give them the middle finger)
2.) We will lose out on the MLE (have you considered that the new CBA might not even have a MLE or change how it works?)

Starksfor3 · Post #380 » by **Starksfor3** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:00 am

nyknicks2k2 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:wasnt there a nba exec who said oden has had injury concerns since 7th grade?

the durant thing was so overblown, he couldnt bench anything, which is easily explained by his long arms

So you were taking Durant over Oden back then?

I don't believe that for a second.

Are you arguing with Captain Hindsight over there?