[2011 Draft Thread Pt 3] - NY To TradeUp? (Update Top Pg 22)

[ezmoney707]

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Here it is ... Mock Draft 4.0 w/ a surprise for the Morris twins insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/… (insider)

Can of peas could you post

[Falstaffxx]

in this weak draft, i dont think its worth to trade a rotational player to move up

I'm not convinced this draft is actually weak outside of the top 10.

[StumptheSlob]

I'm really hoping we buy another 1st to pick up Vucevic. I've been becoming a fan of his game lately. He looks like he can be a very good back-up center (perhaps even see some time at PF) and spot-starter.

[Falstaffxx]

I'm really hoping we buy another 1st to pick up Vucevic. I've been becoming a fan of his game lately. He looks like he can be a very good back-up center (perhaps even see some time at PF) and spot-starter.

I'd love to get him, but it looks as if he'll go in the early 20's, and those picks would be harder to acquire.

[ezmoney707]

No new polls Moo?

[magnumt]

I'm really hoping we buy another 1st to pick up Vucevic. I've been becoming a fan of his game lately. He looks like he can be a very good back-up center (perhaps even see some time at PF) and spot-starter.

I'd love to get him, but it looks as if he'll go in the early 20's, and those picks would be harder to acquire.

If we can't get the Rockets #14 Pick, we can target their #23 Pick. We can also buy a 20's Pick from a Team looking to save $$$ before the new CBA hopefully.

Someone like Faried, Selby, or a dropper could end up in that Range.

--Mags

[NoStatsGuy]

If true, this is obviously the end of Toney Douglas' run in NY. To me the question is, do you prefer TD + an additional player at 17 or do you prefer just Jimmer/Klay?

Normally, I'd say that in the NBA it's always better to have one superior player than multiple inferior players. But our lack of depth is seriously scary.

That said, if there's some way to move up while also securing a later pick or two, then that seems smart. If the FO has scouted these guys and believes them to be significant upgrades over Toney Douglas, then I hope they pull the trigger.

I for one would be very excited to see what Jimmer could do off the bench as a shooter in D'Antoni's offense.

toney plays d, which jimmer and klay dont do.

tony is not on the same level when it comes to shooting. both guysare really knockin them down!

depends on what we want.

I would be cool with klay and jimmer, but either way i will be happy. because the knicks are back

[Falstaffxx]

I'm really hoping we buy another 1st to pick up Vucevic. I've been becoming a fan of his game lately. He looks like he can be a very good back-up center (perhaps even see some time at PF) and spot-starter.

I'd love to get him, but it looks as if he'll go in the early 20's, and those picks would be harder to acquire.

If we can't get the Rockets #14 Pick, we can target their #23 Pick. We can also buy a 20's Pick from a Team looking to save $$$ before the new CBA hopefully.

Someone like Faried, Selby, or a dropper could end up in that Range.

--Mags

What would you offer for the #23 pick? Fields?

[moocow007]

No new polls Moo?

Yeah just updated it. Narrowing it down to the 5 guys that appear to be on the Knicks radar.

[Falstaffxx]

Can someone post the top 17 from Chad Ford's new mock?

[can o peas]

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Here it is ... Mock Draft 4.0 w/ a surprise for the Morris twins insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/… (insider)

Can of peas could you post

sure, here ya go:

1. CLE- Irving
2. MIN- Williams
3. UTA- Knight
4. CLE- Kanter
5. TOR- Vesely
6. WAS- Leonard
7. SAC- Walker
8. DET- Jonas
9. CHA- Marcus
10. MIL- Burks
11. GSW- Klay Thompson

Analysis: The Warriors have a new owner, a new head coach and new management. Of the three, the most important addition might be Jerry West, who knows how to build winners and is far from a wallflower.

The first shoe is already beginning to drop with word that the Warriors are open to moving Monta Ellis. His replacement? The sweet shooting Thompson, who has wowed in recent workouts. He has size, the pedigree and, most of all, the blessing of West. Marcus Morris and Alec Burks are other possibilities here.

12. UTA- Singleton
13. PHO- Tristan
14. HOU- Biyombo
15. IND- Jimmer

Analysis: Will Pacers fans finally get the real life version of Jimmy Chitwood? Fredette's ability to score the basketball is legendary and actually fits a need for the Pacers. In the fourth quarter of games this season, they really struggled to find a player who could hit the big shot.

I'm not sure Fredette is the point guard of the future in Indiana. He may be more of a scoring fixture (a la Ben Gordon) coming off the bench. Either way, his ability to contribute right away should give the Pacers another bump as they try to take the next step. Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried and Markieff Morris are all options here as well.

16. PHI- Hamilton
17. NYK- Josh Selby

Analysis: GM Donnie Walsh has lost his job, but he's still calling the shots for the Knicks on draft night. Expect Walsh to go out with a bang. The Knicks are essentially looking at five players right now -- Klay Thompson, Fredette, Selby, Marshon Brooks and Kenneth Faried. Thompson and Fredette are off the board in our mock.

The Knicks have been looking long and hard at Selby for a while. They think he'd thrive in Mike D'Antoni's system that allows guards much more freedom than they get at Kansas. Selby has lottery talent, but a shaky résumé. This may be a risk taking him this high, but there's a very high upside.

18. WAS- Marshon Brooks

Analysis: Nick Young is heading into free agency and, coincidentally, Brooks has been compared to Young. Both players are long, athletic and can score. Brooks may have a little more killer instinct, though, that could make him a star. Tobias Harris, Markieff Morris, Kenneth Faried and Donatas Motiejunas are other possibilities here as well.

19. CHA- Markieff Morris

Analysis: A month ago I was in Florida with the Morris twins and big topic of discussion was the inevitability of the two brothers breaking up when they were drafted by different teams. We explored a number of options that could reunite them on the same team. This is really the only plausible one, and it's more plausible than you think.

The Bobcats are one of those teams that thinks the twins can play together. If it happens, you'll see two very happy twins on draft night. Brooks, Faried and Reggie Jackson are other names who could land here.

20. MIN- Donatas Motiejunas

Analysis: The Wolves have the best group of international scouts in the NBA and if Motiejunas falls this far, I think they'd snap him up here. He's an aggressive scorer and has size -- two things the Wolves could use in the post. Brooks, Faried, Nikola Mirotic and Charles Jenkins are also possibilities here.

21. POR- Faried
22. DEN- Harris
23. HOU- Vucevic

Analysis: Even though we have the Rockets going big at No. 14, don't be surprised if they do it again here. Vucevic has helped himself as much as anyone in the workout process. He's got size, toughness and skill. He's not going to be a superstar thanks to a lack of explosive athleticism, but he'll be a very solid addition to the Rockets. Mirotic, Justin Harper and Darius Morris are other possibilities.

24. OKC- Mirotic
25. BOS- JaJuan Johnson
26. DAL- Bertans
27. NJN- Reggie Jackson

Analysis: Yes, the Nets have Deron Williams. But he's not a sure thing to stay in New Jersey after next season. Even if he does, Jackson would be a terrific backup and a player who could play off the ball in certain situations.

Had he not had a knee injury just as the draft evaluations began, he could've gone much higher. He's great value here. Justin Harper, Tyler Honeycutt, JaJuan Johnson and Jeremy Tyler are all options here, too.

28. CHI- Harper
29. SAS- Jeremy Tyler

Analysis: The Spurs have done a good job over the years of finding young international players and stashing them overseas for a few years until they're ready. Tyler doesn't quite fit that model. He stashed himself overseas. But the point is he's got tremendous upside for a team willing to be patient with him. Given the strong reaction to Tyler at the pre-draft camp, I'm not sure he lasts this long on the draft board.

30. CHI- Jenkins

Next Five In: Tyler Honeycutt, G, UCLA; Nolan Smith, G, Duke; Darius Morris, PG, Michigan; Jordan Williams, F/C, Maryland; Lucas Nogueira, C, Brazil

[SonOfMars]

I understand that you narrowed it down to the 5, but we really need to take Jimmer off of this list...dont see us getting him at all..

Anywho, I voted for Selby.

[can o peas]

I understand that you narrowed it down to the 5, but we really need to take Jimmer off of this list...dont see us getting him at all..

Anywho, I voted for Selby.

yeah, I think we've established that the majority of the board wants Jimmer in the last two polls. it'd be nice to see who's the next consensus pick. also, I guess all the shumpert talk was for him as a second rounder? and how about darius morris (although also a possible second rounder).

[magnumt]

I'd love to get him, but it looks as if he'll go in the early 20's, and those picks would be harder to acquire.

If we can't get the Rockets #14 Pick, we can target their #23 Pick. We can also buy a 20's Pick from a Team looking to save $$$ before the new CBA hopefully.

Someone like Faried, Selby, or a dropper could end up in that Range.

--Mags

What would you offer for the #23 pick? Fields?

Depends on where we went with #17. If we went SG, then they will likely offer him. If we went PG, then they will likely offer Douglas (or maybe Cash and Walker).

--Mags

[Pharmcat]

I just cant see how you pass up Donatas if hes there at 17

[Gimmick]

I think a the options of Trade up in draft and Trade down in draft should be added.

[can o peas]

surprised to see biyombo fall down to 14 by the way. would definitely be worth toney to move up or maybe even fields (would hurt to give him up though).

here's the write-up on him by the way, should have included it:

Analysis: Biyombo is in the conversation as high as No. 5, but the general lack of information about him may cause his stock to slip. He's got the physical abilities to be excellent in the league, but he's a wild card.

The Raptors, Wizards, Pistons, Bucks and Jazz all will give him strong looks. I doubt he slips further than Houston. While small forward is a big need too (they like Marcus Morris, Jordan Hamilton and Tobias Harris there), at this point Biyombo is more reward than risk.

[Falstaffxx]

I just cant see how you pass up Donatas if hes there at 17

That would be my pick.

[TrueWarrior]

Chad Ford Mock 4.0: June 8th

1. CLE- Irving
2. MIN- Williams
3. UTA- Knight
4. CLE- Kanter
5. TOR- Vesely
6. WAS- Leonard
7. SAC- Walker
8. DET- Jonas
9. CHA- Marcus
10. MIL- Burks
11. GSW- Klay Thompson

Analysis: The Warriors have a new owner, a new head coach and new management. Of the three, the most important addition might be Jerry West, who knows how to build winners and is far from a wallflower.

The first shoe is already beginning to drop with word that the Warriors are open to moving Monta Ellis. His replacement? The sweet shooting Thompson, who has wowed in recent workouts. He has size, the pedigree and, most of all, the blessing of West. Marcus Morris and Alec Burks are other possibilities here.

12. UTA- Singleton
13. PHO- Tristan
14. HOU- Biyombo

Analysis: Biyombo is in the conversation as high as No. 5, but the general lack of information about him may cause his stock to slip. He's got the physical abilities to be excellent in the league, but he's a wild card.

The Raptors, Wizards, Pistons, Bucks and Jazz all will give him strong looks. I doubt he slips further than Houston. While small forward is a big need too (they like Marcus Morris, Jordan Hamilton and Tobias Harris there), at this point Biyombo is more reward than risk.

15. IND- Jimmer

Analysis: Will Pacers fans finally get the real life version of Jimmy Chitwood? Fredette's ability to score the basketball is legendary and actually fits a need for the Pacers. In the fourth quarter of games this season, they really struggled to find a player who could hit the big shot.

I'm not sure Fredette is the point guard of the future in Indiana. He may be more of a scoring fixture (a la Ben Gordon) coming off the bench. Either way, his ability to contribute right away should give the Pacers another bump as they try to take the next step. Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried and Markieff Morris are all options here as well.

16. PHI- Hamilton
17. NYK- Josh Selby

Analysis: GM Donnie Walsh has lost his job, but he's still calling the shots for the Knicks on draft night. Expect Walsh to go out with a bang. The Knicks are essentially looking at five players right now -- Klay Thompson, Fredette, Selby, Marshon Brooks and Kenneth Faried. Thompson and Fredette are off the board in our mock.

The Knicks have been looking long and hard at Selby for a while. They think he'd thrive in Mike D'Antoni's system that allows guards much more freedom than they get at Kansas. Selby has lottery talent, but a shaky résumé. This may be a risk taking him this high, but there's a very high upside.

18. WAS- Marshon Brooks

Analysis: Nick Young is heading into free agency and, coincidentally, Brooks has been compared to Young. Both players are long, athletic and can score. Brooks may have a little more killer instinct, though, that could make him a star. Tobias Harris, Markieff Morris, Kenneth Faried and Donatas Motiejunas are other possibilities here as well.

19. CHA- Markieff Morris

Analysis: A month ago I was in Florida with the Morris twins and big topic of discussion was the inevitability of the two brothers breaking up when they were drafted by different teams. We explored a number of options that could reunite them on the same team. This is really the only plausible one, and it's more plausible than you think.

The Bobcats are one of those teams that thinks the twins can play together. If it happens, you'll see two very happy twins on draft night. Brooks, Faried and Reggie Jackson are other names who could land here.

20. MIN- Donatas Motiejunas

Analysis: The Wolves have the best group of international scouts in the NBA and if Motiejunas falls this far, I think they'd snap him up here. He's an aggressive scorer and has size -- two things the Wolves could use in the post. Brooks, Faried, Nikola Mirotic and Charles Jenkins are also possibilities here.

21. POR- Faried
22. DEN- Harris
23. HOU- Vucevic

Analysis: Even though we have the Rockets going big at No. 14, don't be surprised if they do it again here. Vucevic has helped himself as much as anyone in the workout process. He's got size, toughness and skill. He's not going to be a superstar thanks to a lack of explosive athleticism, but he'll be a very solid addition to the Rockets. Mirotic, Justin Harper and Darius Morris are other possibilities.

24. OKC- Mirotic
25. BOS- JaJuan Johnson
26. DAL- Bertans
27. NJN- Reggie Jackson

Analysis: Yes, the Nets have Deron Williams. But he's not a sure thing to stay in New Jersey after next season. Even if he does, Jackson would be a terrific backup and a player who could play off the ball in certain situations.

Had he not had a knee injury just as the draft evaluations began, he could've gone much higher. He's great value here. Justin Harper, Tyler Honeycutt, JaJuan Johnson and Jeremy Tyler are all options here, too.

28. CHI- Harper
29. SAS- Jeremy Tyler

Analysis: The Spurs have done a good job over the years of finding young international players and stashing them overseas for a few years until they're ready. Tyler doesn't quite fit that model. He stashed himself overseas. But the point is he's got tremendous upside for a team willing to be patient with him. Given the strong reaction to Tyler at the pre-draft camp, I'm not sure he lasts this long on the draft board.

30. CHI- Jenkins

Next Five In: Tyler Honeycutt, G, UCLA; Nolan Smith, G, Duke; Darius Morris, PG, Michigan; Jordan Williams, F/C, Maryland; Lucas Nogueira, C, Brazil

Biyombo is dropping to 14? Damn. Wed take Selby over Brooks and Motie? Hmm. Dude better be good then. The Pacers seem to be a real threat for Jimmer. Def why we're tryin to get the 14th. Reggie Jackson actually is hurt? He should be right in the mix with Selby, Brooks, Klay, and Jimmer for us. IDK why Philly would take Hamilton or why the Jazz take Singleton. Dont see the Pistons taking a foreigner in Jonas either. They need immediate help, not another project Darko which the fans would label him as. Also both Morris twins going to Charlotte? Wouldnt that be adorable .

[mega]

Mark's daughter was just hired by Dave Rice at UNLV to be Director of Basketball Operations. Dave played under Wark and was later a graduate assistant at UNLV and the two remain very close.

Last year Dave Rice was the associate head coach at BYU. He did most of the actual coaching, especially the offense created to revolve around Jimmer. He also discovered and recruited Jimmer to BYU.

If there is anything NY wants to know about Jimmer, they know it.