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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#361 » by Wildcat » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:26 pm

mpharris36 wrote:You have a solid PG rotation with Calderon and Prigs (extremely smart rotation)

I would think they would trade Larkin for a option that is more capable of contributing right away

JR is an idiot but can play

Early and greak freaks older brother are decent young pieces

Now add Melo, LeBron, and Pau to that team and you have the best team in the east. LeBron made it with much less in CLE. He would have a legit top 5-10 player to play alongside who compliment his game.


Well, you're somewhat changing the original setup of players by trading this guy and signing this guy. In that original setup, that 2 guard rotation is horrendous. I don't think Early can play an NBA 2 guard (maybe prep him for the future). And do you really need a Jose/Prig with LeBron? Either way, I would be more comfortable keeping Shump or Hardaway.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#362 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:26 pm

Sprewell4Three wrote:This LeBron + Melo teamup is not happening. I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves. So two SFs that need the ball In their hands are going to team up? Right


Melo at this point is a better PF. We won 54 games with him at that position. Now team him up with a SF that is the best player in the NBA. Who distributes, plays defense, and is just all around great.

Are you serious with two SF that need the ball? Imagine the triangle with LeBron and Melo on the same side. You stick 2 3 point shooters on the other end (like Calderon and someone) and they would get open 3's all day.

Also imagine a P&R / pick and pop with LeBron and Melo.

Unstoppable and defense and rebounding wouldn't even be a problem as melo defends the post and rebounds well as well as LeBron being a plus rebounder and perimeter defender.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#363 » by duetta » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:26 pm

Sprewell4Three wrote:This roster of misfits is going to attract Lebron? Riiight!


I was actually commenting on a Lebron-Anthony Miami scenario.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#364 » by denterprise » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:26 pm

NewEra wrote:Damn Bosh better take that deal and run with it


He woould be a fool not to jump all over that deal. At some point he has to stop being LBJ's lap dog.
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Post#365 » by Sprewell4Three » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:27 pm

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Sprewell4Three wrote:This LeBron + Melo teamup is not happening. I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves. So two SFs that need the ball In their hands are going to team up? Right


Melo does not need the ball in his hands. Not at all. He is amazing catch and shoot player. It will 100% happen if they want it to. The only question is where...

If it happens it's not happening in NY.
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Post#366 » by Bob Ross » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:27 pm

One thing to consider, I guess, is that if LeBron has so many issues with the Heat roster and it is so severely limited with they can pay additional players/players drying up, Maybe Melo would have the same concerns about going there? I don't friggin know how to make sense of all this crap. Just sign the damn contract Melo and let Phil go to work
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Post#367 » by suicidedeuce » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:27 pm

mpharris36 wrote:so now the question is how can we make the knicks more appealing to LeBron and Melo than the Heat or Cavs.

JR at this point can probably contribute just as much if not more than Wade. Pau might be more willing to come to the NY than live in Miami.


Again, just for the fun of it.

In a triangle starting line up with a true distributing point guard, a very good passing center and the best distributing/ball handling forward in the game, you don't need Smith creating. You don't need the 2 second on the shot clock step-back jumpers.

You need him to excel at catch and shoot threes, which he does exceptionally well, and to pass, which he does reasobably well.

He could always rebound well enough for a 2 and plays defense well enough.

He'd be a very good, effective fit in that starting line-up.
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Post#368 » by wakkahman » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:27 pm

LJ4pointplay wrote:
Sprewell4Three wrote:This LeBron + Melo teamup is not happening. I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves. So two SFs that need the ball In their hands are going to team up? Right


Melo does not need the ball in his hands. Not at all. He is amazing catch and shoot player. It will 100% happen if they want it to. The only question is where...



Do you actually watch the games? Melo needs like 3 jab steps and a head fake before he can even look at the rim.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#369 » by bishnykfan » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:27 pm

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Post#370 » by nyjetsknicks420 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:27 pm

denterprise wrote:
NewEra wrote:Damn Bosh better take that deal and run with it


He woould be a fool not to jump all over that deal. At some point he has to stop being LBJ's lap dog.


But Bosh loves sitting on other mens laps
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Post#371 » by K_ick_God » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:28 pm

I wouldn't fault Melo for a chance to play in Miami with LeBron. What could we do but just accept it lol, and rebuild. But I'm not sure Melo-Bron-Wade is good enough. Wade would have to get at least a good part of his game back. And that team would lack size in kind of a severe way. At least you could get away with Bosh guarding the 5.

Maybe Wade takes enough of a discount that they can get a decent big. Andersen could come back. They wouldn't be a lock but it'd be fun to watch.

Melo would still be giving up cash and have a 3-year window to win. All depends on Wade IMO.

I'd honestly be happy for Melo to win the big one. Not sure that roster is great, and it'd be much cooler for him and Bron to do it in NY. But it'd still be must-see basketball. I like Melo a lot and think a guy with that kind of cool, tough personality deserves a title. His game needs work for a title but being next to Bron could be a cure-all.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#372 » by JBreezeNY » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:28 pm

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Sprewell4Three wrote:This LeBron + Melo teamup is not happening. I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves. So two SFs that need the ball In their hands are going to team up? Right


Lebron is a facilitator of offense. He and Melo together would be unstoppable. You can't double team either one of them.

There is no doubt in my head they have been talking regularly about teaming up.

Unstoppable ? LeBron played with Wade and Bosh. Yet I'm supposed to believe LeBron + Melo is going to be better than that. Please. Carmelo is a scorer that doesn't do much of anything else very proficiently.

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#373 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:28 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:You have a solid PG rotation with Calderon and Prigs (extremely smart rotation)

I would think they would trade Larkin for a option that is more capable of contributing right away

JR is an idiot but can play

Early and greak freaks older brother are decent young pieces

Now add Melo, LeBron, and Pau to that team and you have the best team in the east. LeBron made it with much less in CLE. He would have a legit top 5-10 player to play alongside who compliment his game.


Well, you're somewhat changing the original setup of players by trading this guy and signing this guy. In that original setup, that 2 guard rotation is horrendous. I don't think Early can play an NBA 2 guard (maybe prep him for the future). And do you really need a Jose/Prig with LeBron? Either way, I would be more comfortable keeping Shump or Hardaway.


Calderon and Prigs would be great with LeBron especially in the triangle where you don't need a primary ball handler. Calderon and Prigs are both +40% 3 point shooters. That would be deadly as a PG rotation.

JR would have to improve his game. but even last year where we said he was horrible he shot close to 40% from 3. (39.4%)

He would get so many open 3's playing with Melo and LeBron. JR and say a vet min SG like Ray Allen would be more than capable rotation at the 2 guard.
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Post#374 » by CoolKids » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:29 pm

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Post#375 » by Sprewell4Three » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:30 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Sprewell4Three wrote:This LeBron + Melo teamup is not happening. I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves. So two SFs that need the ball In their hands are going to team up? Right


Melo at this point is a better PF. We won 54 games with him at that position. Now team him up with a SF that is the best player in the NBA. Who distributes, plays defense, and is just all around great.

Are you serious with two SF that need the ball? Imagine the triangle with LeBron and Melo on the same side. You stick 2 3 point shooters on the other end (like Calderon and someone) and they would get open 3's all day.

Also imagine a P&R / pick and pop with LeBron and Melo.

Unstoppable and defense and rebounding wouldn't even be a problem as melo defends the post and rebounds well as well as LeBron being a plus rebounder and perimeter defender.

Yup the same Melo that was demolished In the paint by Hibbert and West in the playoffs. Melo Is not a full time PF. He played PF full time this year and the team sucked. I can't remember the countless times I heard Knicks fans complain about Melo playing PF. Yet now I'm so posed to believe he's the perfect PF and is able to take this team to the promise land playing that position.
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Post#376 » by Wildcat » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:30 pm

mpharris36 wrote:Melo at this point is a better PF. We won 54 games with him at that position. Now team him up with a SF that is the best player in the NBA. Who distributes, plays defense, and is just all around great.

Are you serious with two SF that need the ball? Imagine the triangle with LeBron and Melo on the same side. You stick 2 3 point shooters on the other end (like Calderon and someone) and they would get open 3's all day.

Also imagine a P&R / pick and pop with LeBron and Melo.

Unstoppable and defense and rebounding wouldn't even be a problem as melo defends the post and rebounds well as well as LeBron being a plus rebounder and perimeter defender.


I would play LeBron at the PF spot for the sole reason of him getting more calls against his defender. We know the NBA refs don't respect Melo in that regards.
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Post#377 » by denterprise » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:31 pm

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NewEra wrote:Damn Bosh better take that deal and run with it


He woould be a fool not to jump all over that deal. At some point he has to stop being LBJ's lap dog.


But Bosh loves sitting on other mens laps

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Post#378 » by kingquan316 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:31 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:He obviously makes some misstatements and jumps the gun but it's pretty clear that Robert Randolph is privy to SOME amount of inside information. It's just a matter of filtering and downsizing what he tells us. But the grains of truth are in there somewhere.


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Post#379 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:32 pm

mpharris36 wrote:so now the question is how can we make the knicks more appealing to LeBron and Melo than the Heat or Cavs.

JR at this point can probably contribute just as much if not more than Wade. Pau might be more willing to come to the NY than live in Miami.

Melo is big on wanting to stay in NY. LeBron seems like someone that doesn't care about where he is playing, just wants to win.

just throwing stuff out there


The far bigger question is that it is still really far fetched to clear the cap space.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#380 » by F N 11 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:32 pm

Bosh is 24 and 11 before the heat. He sacrificed his game. He is used horribly in Miami just to spread the floor. He is a max cat.
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