Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[Wharton Alum 08]

Boy they say Knick fans are the smartest.. But I can't lie we have some real DUMB mofo's amongst us if anyone believes KP is soft.

KP has more drive than most players. Temporary struggles and not knowing how to handle being asked to cover three point shooters doesn't make him soft which is a bogus thought process.

Who is supposed to guard though? Capela sure but what about against a team like Detroit who has stretch 4s and a real big man?

[NOOB77]

This board is a hoot. It's funny seeing some of the melo fans and kp fans taking jabs at each other. Why fight anyways. It's all lebron and cleveland for the next 4 years, hopefully only 4 more years.

It is funny to defect blame for something you do on a regular basis.

[Smash3]

Phil is so out of his zone when it comes to building a team. He's great on the micro level but terrible on the macro level.

He was so focused on expanding his ring collection as soon as possible that he **** the franchise. There's two ways to a ring; FA aquisitions or the draft. Ideally you would do both, but either one on it's own works; i.e Miami vs GS.

When he realized atttacting premier FA's was out of the question he should've shipped Me7o out. But instead he opted for the quick fix, building through the draft with KP and winning q championship all at the same damn time.

Fire Pjax and get someone who is in it for the long haul. Might take 5-6 yrs if done correctly, or 15 yrs if another quick fixer is put in place.

[blueNorange]

Boy they say Knick fans are the smartest.. But I can't lie we have some real DUMB mofo's amongst us if anyone believes KP is soft.

The boy is soft, even you should see that.

You talk about no patience from the fans.. Yet you're part of the problem if you're already giving up on the best prospect we've drafted since Ewing. Be patient

he's mad that melo has nobody else to point the finger at.

it's pretty sad.

[Wharton Alum 08]

Rose is not that bad either there's no way he didn't get fouled on not one of those drives tonight. That's what's killing him he's still a solid player if he gets a couple whistles.

[Rotten Apple]

When we committed to full on Melo ISO ball with Woodson we won 54 games and made it to the second round our best season in decades. You guys want team ball and we suck......Hmmmmm

KP4GOD

They don't want team ball they want KP ball. I don't know how you feature him though. He doesn't have a post game and he's not shooting it well from deep

yeah I remember all the where's KP posts from the Detroit game. They don't care about the team, they only want him to play well.

[sushibear]

The boy is Soft. s. o. f. capital T.
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Boy they say Knick fans are the smartest.. But I can't lie we have some real DUMB mofo's amongst us if anyone believes KP is soft.

she's just mad that melo has nobody else to deflect the blame, so she's now turning on kristaps.

She? Lol I was wondering why this poster was backing up lft. Lmfao

[Adelheid]

KP ISO are a dream come true.

That depends. If we are referring to KP post ups then no...he is going to get pushed back far.

[Greenie]

When has Rose been a loser he's missed the playoffs once his whole career?

Melo didn't miss until he came here....

I wouldn't label him a loser either, but I've definitely never heard it associated with Rose.

The only loser around these parts are the damn Knicks as a whole. I blame Stern and now Silver. Towns was OURS!

[Dr. Detfink]

I blame the coach, Jeff Hornacek. This Phoenix product has no spine. He sells Phil on this idea that he's going to incorporate faster plays into the triangle and it goes colossally wrong. After 3 games, the Knicks look shockingly worse than they did under Fisher with less talent. They look a lot like the Francis and Marbury team under Larry Brown.

1. ISO-ball, Pick'n'Roll, Triangle..a mess of a play calls, NOT a system. Lee and Porzingis can only guess. When you are playing 3 systems, you don't have one. I think Hornacek just gives in his star players, going along with what makes them happy as opposed to Thibs who molds them together by playing HIS way. Personal numbers do not equal success and that was the fallacy of all the Marbury defenders. Yeah, "ME" guys have nice numbers but they don't get other players involved, meaning the opposition can just keep pace without spreading the D, and ultimately wait till they run tired. The Rockets actually expanded the lead with Harden on the bench.

2. Porzingis is NOT a 5. This is why I ultimately see Jeff Hornacek as the next Phoenix coach to screw up and get fired. Porzingis is not a pounder. His body is not ready for that kind of abuse. Jeff using him like the next Omar Asik because he is tall, will diminish his development. His effectiveness is drawing the opposition away from the basket. Ok, Ryan Anderson got a couple 3-pointers THREE steps away beyond the three point line. Let him take those shots, he won't do it all night. That leads to long rebounds and fast break the other way. But there's a reason why DJ Jazzy Jeff was convinced he had to force KP into that role...

3. Joakim Noah can't jump: Is it me or does Noah no longer looks like the guy who can block shots, defend the paint? Guys 2 inches shorter were taking him out of the play. For $18M a season, he reminds me of Mcdyess' tenure as a Knick. NO RIM PROTECTION. He can pass but that's it.

We'll see if the Knicks can straighten this out but damn, there is A LOT of work to do.

[Rotten Apple]

The boy is soft, even you should see that.

You talk about no patience from the fans.. Yet you're part of the problem if you're already giving up on the best prospect we've drafted since Ewing. Be patient

he's mad that melo has nobody else to point the finger at.

it's pretty sad.

I'm not mad at all

[NOOB77]

Trade everyone and build around out next Lin in Baker. Baksanity

[NOOB77]

KP ISO are a dream come true.

That depends. If we are referring to KP post ups then no...he is going to get pushed back far.

What ISO would be a dream when he tries to take a smaller faster player at the 4 off the dribble?

[CJackson]

I really wasn't referencing just YOU but you're really off base with what you feel he wants out of his career. I don't pretend I know what goes on in these guys heads and neither should any of you. But whatever I'm not here to change minds. Everything you just said is an opinion because you don't like him as a person or a player and thats your right.

He has the ability to help a team if he is in the right situation. At this point, being Lebron's wing man is really the only successful choice he has left to him. Otherwise, he will fade into obscurity as a Knick because he simply is not that good of a player at this point.

This franchise did a piss poor job of maximizing his talent from the moment he got here. I'm not even mad at him or any of the players. We have started and finished a plan out. Its bigger than Melo, than Porzingis, than STAT, Lin, Rose, Felton, Gallo, Curry, all of them. We've been bad since 2000 not 2013.

That is also true for the most part. I'm never going to be imbalanced about it, but Melo really does care more about a maximum payout and being a New Yorker. That's not hate, just who he is.

I do think most of your POV is built off something we won't agree on. You think Melo is a great player. I think he is a great jump shooter, nothing more. In every other way, I consider him an average to inferior player. So instead of defaulting to an assumption that everything said about Melo comes from a place of raw emotion, examine your emotions more than mine or others, because there is nothing wrong with anyone stating what they see.

I see a really underwhelming star who thinks he is great. He's not great in my book. He's really beneficial in spurts and then he becomes an outright detriment to the team. I don't see any greatness in that. You think he is great. And we don't agree. Nothing to get wound up about.

[blueNorange]

Boy they say Knick fans are the smartest.. But I can't lie we have some real DUMB mofo's amongst us if anyone believes KP is soft.

she's just mad that melo has nobody else to deflect the blame, so she's now turning on kristaps.

Deflect? Nah. Melo trash too. Get rid of the worst players my dude. WTF did KP shoot tonight? Toxic sh*t being a puss on the court scared of shooting. It's pissing me off just like it did last year. Dude got worse with it.

[Greenie]

Trade everyone and build around out next Lin in Baker. Baksanity

Yassssss

[Sark]

You realize that if Melo WERE to accept a trade to Cleveland, who we will get back to make salaries match, right? Iman Shumpert.

I hope it happens so bad.

[thelastpope]

This board is a hoot. It's funny seeing some of the melo fans and kp fans taking jabs at each other. Why fight anyways. It's all lebron and cleveland for the next 4 years, hopefully only 4 more years.

Then embiid is going to rule the east

[Greenie]

Tank Squad.

[Greenie]

You realize that if Melo WERE to accept a trade to Cleveland, who we will get back to make salaries match, right? Iman Shumpert.

I hope it happens so bad.

Oh well. You deserve Iman being next to Boogie.