OT: Avengers: Infinity War Trailer

[El Poochio]

I'ma Thor stan he was getting in even if howard the duck had a prominent role.

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Thor entrance to Wakanda epic

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Yeah. That **** was proper **** Thor, finally. I’ve always felt he’s been underpowered in the MCU.

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Rune King Thor OP

[spree8]

Interestingly, the guy who created Thanos, Jim Starlin, loved it:

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Of course he did, his character was brought to life. It’s not really my opinion tho, it’s a fact. Thanos was not like that in the comics. If you’ve seen them, it’s pretty clear. Only time he was really emotional was with Death rejecting him... that’s pretty much all he wanted and killed half the universe for her. They didn’t even have that in the movie, but Starlin didn’t even care about that either. Saw an article written by this comic nut, who put it this way...


“Thanos's Sad Story in Avengers: Infinity War Is a Major Deviation From the Comics


The MCU introduces him as Gamora and Nebula's adoptive father who's out to collect the Infinity Stones so he can destroy half the universe to "save it." Sure, he's a villain, but he honestly believes he's doing the right thing. He's even capable of familial love, guys — how bad can he really be? Well, Thanos of the comics is one of the most powerful and unsympathetic villains, so pretty bad.

The MCU gets off light with Daddy Thanos, honestly, despite the ending of Infinity War. MCU Thanos suggests a mass genocide to "save" his homeworld, which is . . . at least pretending to be noble, I guess. The Mad Titan of the comics murders his own mother, lovers, and children; captains (and murders) his own space pirate crew; nukes his own world and many others; and experiments on himself, unwittingly giving himself many powers . . . all before he even gets close to getting ahold of the Infinity Gems.

Josh Brolin Brings a Surprising Level of Sadness and Empathy to Infinity War's Thanos

His True Motivations:

Thanos first appears back in the early '70s in an Iron Man comic, but he's more famed for the Infinity Gauntlet storyline and its subsequent parts, Infinity War and Infinity Crusade. The Infinity miniseries of 2013 is also said to have partially inspired the Avengers: Infinity War film. While Thanos's 40-year history varies greatly, his motive largely remains the same: he wipes out half the universe for a lady love. (And you thought a diamond ring was impressive.) As far as the comics go, Mistress Death, the feminine personification of death (go figure), inspires Thanos's quest. She believes the universe is out of balance as the living souls outnumber the dead.

In an effort to impress her and win her love, Thanos collects the Infinity Gems on his gauntlet, and, with a snap of his fingers, wipes out half the universe for her — yes, that infamous snap in the middle of an issue. Unfortunately for Thanos, Mistress Death spurns him anyway, which definitely doesn't help his attitude”


So that’s all I’m saying. They changed his whole reason for this quest (courting Death as they teased in Avengers 1) so I guess they thought why not change his personality a bit too? They basically swapped out his emotions for Lady Death for Gamora... a big change. People getting on me for disliking that aspect of it are making a bigger deal out of this than I am lol. Obviously they aren’t familiar with his back story, but I am, and I just didn’t like that part of it. Not sure why people are offended by that. Kinda weird.

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Jim Starlin is a legendary @sshole. If he wasn't pleased with his most famous character was portrayed, trust me, he would have had zero qualms voicing that opinion. Kind of like how Alan Moore sh*ts on every adaptation that's ever been done with his work.

Besides, take a moment to seriously reflect on how dumb the courting of Death would have been translated to the big screen, especially a movie of this magnitude. Not only would you have to introduce an important new character in a movie already so packed that even Captain America is forced to take a minor role, and establish Thanos' relationship with her, you'd have to sell the audience that this huge crossover event, the culmination of 10 years worth of movies, is basically a superhero version of Say Anything, swapping Jon Cusack's boombox out for the Infinity Gauntlet. It would have been completely ridiculous.

I just find it amusing when people complain about how this was changed -- you are far from the only one -- when nothing ever made Thanos look softer or more weak, raging through increasingly unhinged attempts to woo a woman. I wasn't overly thrilled with the motivation they chose, but they were at least able to maintain the culling of half the universe, and The Snap. They also gave him layers that are often lacking in the comics, when he tends to be a one-dimensional mustache twirler. Still a great character, but not on par with the nuanced version we got here.

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You’re saying Jim liked it, but then admitting that Thanos is not like the comics... which is my point exactly.

Jim may have liked it, but for different reasons, because again, Thanos is different from the comics. With that said, my point about Jim is that he probably liked it because his character was finally brought to life... not because it was like the comic... because (one more time) just like you said... “they gave him depth he didn’t have in the comics” and the comic version “is still a great character but not like the nuanced version we got here”.

As far as Lady Death being stupid... well, they had Hela, the Goddess of Death in Thor Ragnorak, so it wouldn’t be too stupid. And it’s not like he’s trying to woo any ol’ girl... it’s just how Death manifests itself to him. He’s been obsessed with death in general his whole life, and even worshipped it... he killed his mom, kids, lovers, team, planets, etc for it... not really just a love story... more of a psychotic maniac on a killing spree. I get what you’re saying about having the time in the movie to establish her tho... but that’s not even the real problem I had with the movie.

My whole point is that I’m not used to seeing Thanos with that emotional depth, and was taken back by it. If you’re admitting there were significant changes, why can’t I dislike it?

Instead of switching his love for death to the love for Gamora... I’d prefer they just cut Lady Death out, and kept him a murderous nutjob with this new motivation of saving the universe by reducing its population to half... which I actually didn’t mind at all (but only brought up as evidence for deviations from the comic). If they did that, maybe we would’ve had more time for people like Capt America too..

[El Poochio]

Should we even rank the Deadpool movie with the other marvel movies? I enjoyed that movie

Deadpool not MCU though, but I will rank it as the best romantic comedy I ever watched

[NBA Fan 1234]

Should we even rank the Deadpool movie with the other marvel movies? I enjoyed that movie

Deadpool not MCU though, but I will rank it as the best romantic comedy I ever watched

Went with my GF and she loved it. Wants to see the second one, too.

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On Thanos - I actually thought that the way they made him more “human” (emotional, relatable, etc), was pretty damn smart.

[El Poochio]

Should we even rank the Deadpool movie with the other marvel movies? I enjoyed that movie

Deadpool not MCU though, but I will rank it as the best romantic comedy I ever watched

Went with my GF and she loved it. Wants to see the second one, too.

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On Thanos - I actually thought that the way they made him more “human” (emotional, relatable, etc), was pretty damn smart.

Perfect date imo

[JXL]

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Just a bit pissed we won't get to see Adam Warlock until GotG 3. Would like to see his role in the Avengers plot.

Capt. Marvel's role will be a big turning point for the New Avengers to happen.

[Crackerjack465]

Something that I thought was interesting:

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the characters that turned to ashes at the end were almost all heroes that have another movie announced or projected to have a larger role at some point.

Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, GotG (minus Rocket), Falcon/Bucky (potential to take over the role of Cap when Chris Evans leaves), Black Panther...

A lot of the characters that lived are rumored to have their contracts ending in the near future: Captain America, Iron Man, Bruce Banner...

I don't know if there is anything to this, but it makes you wonder. If they would've had Thor, Cap and Iron Man disintegrate we would probably be freaking out right now with the rumors of those character's contracts being up. Maybe the dead/living characters will flip somehow?

It could also mean absolutely nothing, especially since Rocket (probably going to be in GoTG 3) and Black Widow (getting a standalone) lived.

[Fury]

Something that I thought was interesting:

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the characters that turned to ashes at the end were almost all heroes that have another movie announced or projected to have a larger role at some point.

Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, GotG (minus Rocket), Falcon/Bucky (potential to take over the role of Cap when Chris Evans leaves), Black Panther...

A lot of the characters that lived are rumored to have their contracts ending in the near future: Captain America, Iron Man, Bruce Banner...

I don't know if there is anything to this, but it makes you wonder. If they would've had Thor, Cap and Iron Man disintegrate we would probably be freaking out right now with the rumors of those character's contracts being up. Maybe the dead/living characters will flip somehow?

It could also mean absolutely nothing, especially since Rocket (probably going to be in GoTG 3) and Black Widow (getting a standalone) lived.

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one theory is the old guard will sacrifice themselves for the new guard through the soul stone (life for a life)

[Meat]

Ladies come down, Thanos is strangely the protagonist, hence the emotional “softness”.

Nothing strangely about this, you can argue that Thanos is the protagonist of the entire phase

[cuyankees]

Ladies come down, Thanos is strangely the protagonist, hence the emotional “softness”.

Nothing strangely about this, you can argue that Thanos is the protagonist of the entire phase

He is, “strangely” is for the non comic readers who didn’t know going into the movie or even heard Russo bros proclaim Thanos is actually the protagonist.

[vallen]

i have to agree. i think BP is overrated. Killmonger made the movie. BP himself is a little dull.

agree with IW too, the stakes were meant to be higher and I felt like they delivered.

Glad someone finally said it bc can't understand for life of me why BP is so strongly loved and its box office showing. Killmonger was better and would be a better cast as BP.

In hindsight, what MCU pulled off w IW is unprecedented and applaud the effort despite nothing surprising me in the movie bc was a comic nerd coincidentally when the series came out.

You know Killmonger was in the movie right? This is like saying The Dark Knight is overrated because Joker carried the movie and Batman was an afterthought. The reason BP was loved is because Killmonger was so great.

Maybe if Batman was portrayed by Chadwick Boseman. Other than Killmonger, the movie was lacking anything of substance. And hey thats just some peoples opinions. If you like everyone in the film, and think Killmonger carried everyone else then that is certainly your prerogative. Others feel it was lacking in areas outside the bad guy. And thats fair too.

[Meat]

Dr. Strange spoiled the movie

[CowboyBebop]

Dr. Strange spoiled the movie

How so?

[Marty McFly]

I knew it was too good to be true but...

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I was hoping that device that Fury dropped would’ve had the X symbol. With Disney securing Fox around the release of IW, I thought we would possibly get an Xmen reveal

Everything over there will probably kick in as part of phase 4 at some point.

yeah, there's just no way they're going to introduce the X-Men this early. probably the back end of phase 4, after

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the gauntlet the skrull fallout

[JXL]

Dr. Strange spoiled the movie

How so?

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He mentioned over 14 million possible outcomes for the Avengers to defeat Thanos, and he only saw 1 outcome. Also with the "this was the endgame, it was only outcome" rhetoric, he foresaw Thanos winning was the only way.

[Meat]

Dr. Strange spoiled the movie

How so?

spoiled as in, gave away the ending. I didn't mean he ruined it, well he kinda did

[E-Balla]

Glad someone finally said it bc can't understand for life of me why BP is so strongly loved and its box office showing. Killmonger was better and would be a better cast as BP.

In hindsight, what MCU pulled off w IW is unprecedented and applaud the effort despite nothing surprising me in the movie bc was a comic nerd coincidentally when the series came out.

You know Killmonger was in the movie right? This is like saying The Dark Knight is overrated because Joker carried the movie and Batman was an afterthought. The reason BP was loved is because Killmonger was so great.

Maybe if Batman was portrayed by Chadwick Boseman. Other than Killmonger, the movie was lacking anything of substance. And hey thats just some peoples opinions. If you like everyone in the film, and think Killmonger carried everyone else then that is certainly your prerogative. Others feel it was lacking in areas outside the bad guy. And thats fair too.

Nah I get that but what cuyankees said was that he couldn't understand the love for the film which is absurd when he admits Killmonger was a great villain and is seen as a great villain. People went from I Am T'Challa to I Am Killmonger quick. I get not personally feeling it but you should be able to understand.

[cuyankees]

You know Killmonger was in the movie right? This is like saying The Dark Knight is overrated because Joker carried the movie and Batman was an afterthought. The reason BP was loved is because Killmonger was so great.

Maybe if Batman was portrayed by Chadwick Boseman. Other than Killmonger, the movie was lacking anything of substance. And hey thats just some peoples opinions. If you like everyone in the film, and think Killmonger carried everyone else then that is certainly your prerogative. Others feel it was lacking in areas outside the bad guy. And thats fair too.

Nah I get that but what cuyankees said was that he couldn't understand the love for the film which is absurd when he admits Killmonger was a great villain and is seen as a great villain. People went from I Am T'Challa to I Am Killmonger quick. I get not personally feeling it but you should be able to understand.

Some would venture to say that before IW, BP had been the most successful and loved MCU movie ever. That’s the part I don’t understand, the box office #s and rabid fanfare for BP.

As stated before, Killmonger carried BP movie and Jordan would’ve been a better cast as BP, but it says something that you’d put Joker in Batman and Killmonger in BP in the same breath. Heath won best actor for that role and there isn’t a chance in hell that Jordan even gets nominated. And that must be the part I don’t understand; most/majority think that Killmonger was on a Joker level hence BP’s mass following where as I couldn’t disagree more.

[E-Balla]

Maybe if Batman was portrayed by Chadwick Boseman. Other than Killmonger, the movie was lacking anything of substance. And hey thats just some peoples opinions. If you like everyone in the film, and think Killmonger carried everyone else then that is certainly your prerogative. Others feel it was lacking in areas outside the bad guy. And thats fair too.

Nah I get that but what cuyankees said was that he couldn't understand the love for the film which is absurd when he admits Killmonger was a great villain and is seen as a great villain. People went from I Am T'Challa to I Am Killmonger quick. I get not personally feeling it but you should be able to understand.

Some would venture to say that before IW, BP had been the most successful and loved MCU movie ever. That’s the part I don’t understand, the box office #s and rabid fanfare for BP.

As stated before, Killmonger carried BP movie and Jordan would’ve been a better cast as BP, but it says something that you’d put Joker in Batman and Killmonger in BP in the same breath. Heath won best actor for that role and there isn’t a chance in hell that Jordan even gets nominated. And that must be the part I don’t understand; most/majority think that Killmonger was on a Joker level hence BP’s mass following where as I couldn’t disagree more.

Joker was cool but his plan made little sense and his motivation was nonexistent (which was the point). Killmonger seemed real. Whether out not he's nominated he deserves to be. The bury me in the ocean line is probably the best in any comic book movie. And T'Challa was not more boring than Bale Batman who was carried by his villains in 3 films (compared to T'Challa who did the heavy lifting in Civil War).

[Dr. Detfink]

Thinking Strange's plan had the heroes losing in order to win...