Post game: A good win in a bad season

[earthmansurfer]

Just give Jordan Hill time
Just give Iman Shumpert time
Just give Danilo Gallinari time
Just give Channing Frye time
Just give David Lee time
Just give Nate Robinson time

You know every single one of those players showed what they can and did become in their rookie year?

-Jordan Hill had a nice midrange jumper and nothing else. What did he show later in his career?
-Iman Shumpert showed he had no court vision, couldn't break down a defense, but he was athletic, played defense and people was high on tall point guards. What changed?
-David Lee was a rebound machine that can finish at the basket. What changed? He developed a midrange jumper, but never learned to play defense. He got 20/10 off energy which is why we got rid of him for Amare because 20 points off just being active is different than bein able to go get your own basket
-Gallinari was a 6'11 small forward with an awkward dribble that got him to the freethrow line, good passing, and a good jumper. He's still that same player.

Talent is displayed from the beginning, regardless of what the numbers say. Your eyes show you what a player is capable of. Will they become a superstar or role player remains to be seen, but the talent can be viewed from day 1. There is no player in the league that has become a completely different player than what they showed they could be or were before they got into the NBA.

Once again, debate me with facts or get off me.

You list examples of some players who didn‘t improve much. That is not proof of anything, except that these guys didn‘t improve, nevermind that 3 depended on athleticism and 2 were badly hurt.
Just stop already.

The list also doesn't include any teenagers

But he can see everything no matter the age. We should make him our elementary school scout.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Even Baker looked much better then Mudiay

Mudiay just looks awful. I do not have much hope that he can even be a backup.

[El Poochio]

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[vallen]

Is Frank getting torched by his defensive assignments?

Is Frank not already the best defender not named Porzingis?

Your posts about Frank are so embarrassingly bad.

lol. ok sure. hes Renaldo Balkman. wow look out. the kid needs to play 45 minutes to equate numbers real backups put up in 20. Your responses are so embarrassingly naive and completely from the view of blue and orange glasses. the one good thing he does doesnt make up for the 12 other things he doesnt. but ya. he plays good man to man and has long arms. look out NBA.

You contribute nothing to this forum. Bye

and your everything thats wrong with it who cant see outside of it.

and @ contribute like your anything but a second rate shamgod with less funnier jokes.

bye.

[CDAZ]

And I'm not even sure why Mudiay should come back next year. He really does not do any one thing very well. Why waste a roster spot on him? Even Baker is a better player and he'll be back.

Ehhh I thought Mudiay played well last night and when he plays confidently he's helpful because he's a good passer and a bully on smaller pg's...

What does that mean for next season though? Third stringer? He isn't a starter and if they do draft any guards who are good, when does Mudiay come off the bench? I suppose Baker could ride the pine.

I don't believe Mudiay fits because it might be fair to say he brings nothing to the culture of the team. He does not feel to me like a winner and I would never want him in with a game on the line. That matters a great deal.

I wonder if he's a PG. Sounds crazy but in my ideal situation. Knicks trade timmy for picks or scraps just to get from under that contract. Move mudiay to the SG. Let him and Burke be our backcourt with Frank, Ron and Dotson coming off the beanch. Draft a SF and bring back Troy (guy is great for switching on defense). Allow kanter and koq to walk. Bring in a new HC to repair the relationship with noah and let him ride out his contract as well. Knicks

[Greenie]

Last week the 6th pick in the draft was a realistic opportunity. Only 2.5 games out and a tough schedule left without any real tank vs tank games.

Now, I type here as a defeated man. I hope next year we really gun for a top 3 pick.

If KP is down for the majority of the season, there is no reason to rush him back. Lotto odds are flattened too, so if we have the 4th odds, we have the same shot as the #1 worst team.

Our roster without KP is atrocious and even with another lotto pick this year it'll be terrible. A year from now I hope we are picking 1st. F this team.

This roster is atrocious with KP.
Our roster has been in shambles for 20 years.

Meh, I wouldn't say atrocious with him. With KP as the first option, the rest of the guys shift down into more natural roles. Guys like Kanter, Hardaway, Lee, Quinn, and Frank all have a place in the league. The problem is that none of them are good shot creators or actually very good at any one thing. They all are essentially role players at this point.

With KP healthy,this team is a 37-39 win squad, which is mediocre. Not atrocious. Which actually might hinder us....since we are building around KP in a sub-optimal way. Drafting in the mid lottery and signing role player to big contracts is a great way to never pair KP with the star he needs to contend. We'd have been better off without Kanter, Lee, and THJ so we won 28 games with KP or even less without him. Hopefully next season we sneak into that top 5. IDK.

No we weren’t.
Did you forget this team was on an 8 game losing streak when he went down?

This team is not brand new. They have BEEN garbage. KP hasn’t even been down for 2 months.

[Polk377]

Nice team win last night with 8 players scoring double figures. It has been a long time since that has happened. Perry and Mills have to be given some credit for finding some nice pieces that can fit into our future. Burke, Mudiay, Williams and Kornet are keepers that can play their roles well on any team and all on team friendly deals for next year.

I still believe THJ can be the 3rd piece on a winning Knicks team for the future. I know people want to say this season fell apart when KP went down but this season could have looked much different if Hardaway didn't miss those 20+ games when the Knicks were playing well.

The main thing this team has to do is stay the course and not look at blowing this team up for the 5th time this decade. Keep these players together and keep building on top of them.

[Knicksfan1992]

As the poster said above, it's not like the team has done much of anything since KP went down. 4-15 since he got hurt. That's a 17 win pace. The only reason we are even in the top 10 right now is because KP went down. In fact, we had been 1-16 in the first 17 games after KP went down. Only recently when we've played younger guys against garbage teams have we won some games. Those vets didn't do crap the first 17 games after KP got hurt. We have no idea if we could have dealt guys like Lee or Kanter, etc. Selling is nice in theory, but probably harder to actually achieve. Also, even if we literally lost every single game since KP went down we would be 23-51 which would place us tied for 6th. Sure, that's better than 9 no doubt, but it's highly unlikely we go 0-19 after KP goes down even if we tank hard like the Bulls are doing. Even they have won some games. The win against Charlotte we played Hicks, Williams, Frank, Burke, 20 min+. We would have beaten that Bulls team with D-leaguers. You should be happy we are even in a position for 9, because if KP was healthy, we would probably be 12th.

It's a lot easier to live in fantasy land than in reality for some people

The dude that likes the Tim Hardaway signing is questioning other people's sanity. Jesus..

Below is the list of players in the league making 15-20 million this year (in descending salary order)...

George Hill
Ryan Anderson
Paul George
Allen Crabbe
Jimmy Butler
Jeff Teague
Kawhi Leonard
Kyrie Irving
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
Greg Monroe
Wesley Matthews
Klay Thompson
Joakim Noah
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Luol Deng
Evan Turner
Goran Dragic
Evan Fournier
Bismack Biyombo
Kent Bazemore
Robert Covington
Ian Mahinmi
Tim Hardaway
Draymond Green
Tristan Thompson
Reggie Jackson
Pau Gasol
Tobias Harris
Dwyane Wade
Dennis Schroder
Jonas Valanciunas
Tony Parker
Timofey Mozgov

In all honesty, how many of those players are actually outplaying/outproducing Timmy right now? Facts are he's playing right at his market value because he'd be right in the middle of that list if you were to rank them if you're not being a biased clown about Timmy... So please spare me the THJ sucks bs.

[BadNewsBarnes]

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Maybe he can help the Dub Knicks in the playoffs?

[MP4LIFE]

Nice team win last night with 8 players scoring double figures. It has been a long time since that has happened. Perry and Mills have to be given some credit for finding some nice pieces that can fit into our future. Burke, Mudiay, Williams and Kornet are keepers that can play their roles well on any team and all on team friendly deals for next year.

I still believe THJ can be the 3rd piece on a winning Knicks team for the future. I know people want to say this season fell apart when KP went down but this season could have looked much different if Hardaway didn't miss those 20+ games when the Knicks were playing well.

The main thing this team has to do is stay the course and not look at blowing this team up for the 5th time this decade. Keep these players together and keep building on top of them.

Nah, I'm good.

[whocares1]

It's a lot easier to live in fantasy land than in reality for some people

The dude that likes the Tim Hardaway signing is questioning other people's sanity. Jesus..

Below is the list of players in the league making 15-20 million this year (in descending salary order)...

George Hill
Ryan Anderson
Paul George
Allen Crabbe
Jimmy Butler
Jeff Teague
Kawhi Leonard
Kyrie Irving
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
Greg Monroe
Wesley Matthews
Klay Thompson
Joakim Noah
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Luol Deng
Evan Turner
Goran Dragic
Evan Fournier
Bismack Biyombo
Kent Bazemore
Robert Covington
Ian Mahinmi
Tim Hardaway
Draymond Green
Tristan Thompson
Reggie Jackson
Pau Gasol
Tobias Harris
Dwyane Wade
Dennis Schroder
Jonas Valanciunas
Tony Parker
Timofey Mozgov

In all honesty, how many of those players are actually outplaying/outproducing Timmy right now? Facts are he's playing right at his market value because he'd be right in the middle of that list if you were to rank them if you're not being a biased clown about Timmy... So please spare me the THJ sucks bs.

That's not why the Tim Hardaway signing was bad. Some of you still don't get it.

[Polk377]

Nice team win last night with 8 players scoring double figures. It has been a long time since that has happened. Perry and Mills have to be given some credit for finding some nice pieces that can fit into our future. Burke, Mudiay, Williams and Kornet are keepers that can play their roles well on any team and all on team friendly deals for next year.

I still believe THJ can be the 3rd piece on a winning Knicks team for the future. I know people want to say this season fell apart when KP went down but this season could have looked much different if Hardaway didn't miss those 20+ games when the Knicks were playing well.

The main thing this team has to do is stay the course and not look at blowing this team up for the 5th time this decade. Keep these players together and keep building on top of them.

Nah, I'm good.

No. No you are not...

[Clyde_Style]

It's a lot easier to live in fantasy land than in reality for some people

The dude that likes the Tim Hardaway signing is questioning other people's sanity. Jesus..

Below is the list of players in the league making 15-20 million this year (in descending salary order)...

George Hill
Ryan Anderson
Paul George
Allen Crabbe
Jimmy Butler
Jeff Teague
Kawhi Leonard
Kyrie Irving
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
Greg Monroe
Wesley Matthews
Klay Thompson
Joakim Noah
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Luol Deng
Evan Turner
Goran Dragic
Evan Fournier
Bismack Biyombo
Kent Bazemore
Robert Covington
Ian Mahinmi
Tim Hardaway
Draymond Green
Tristan Thompson
Reggie Jackson
Pau Gasol
Tobias Harris
Dwyane Wade
Dennis Schroder
Jonas Valanciunas
Tony Parker
Timofey Mozgov

In all honesty, how many of those players are actually outplaying/outproducing Timmy right now? Facts are he's playing right at his market value because he'd be right in the middle of that list if you were to rank them if you're not being a biased clown about Timmy... So please spare me the THJ sucks bs.

I don't read every post so I don't know who is saying he sucks, but I got the impression people were saying mostly that at the beginning of a rebuild his contract may have been more than necessary at this juncture.

He's a legit scorer and probably is at market value right now, so I think the criticisms are more about Mills than Tim.

[El Poochio]

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Maybe he can help the Dub Knicks in the playoffs?

Reminiscent of LeBron's return to Cleveland

[El Poochio]

Omg Knicksfan1992 New NYKMentality

[Knicksfan1992]

Omg Knicksfan1992 New NYKMentality

[god shammgod]

well damn. i think i got hit with shrapnel.

[Clyde_Style]

well damn. i think i got hit with shrapnel.

Your shrapnel was funnier than mine and hurts more

[TheDavinciCHODE]

This roster is atrocious with KP.
Our roster has been in shambles for 20 years.

Meh, I wouldn't say atrocious with him. With KP as the first option, the rest of the guys shift down into more natural roles. Guys like Kanter, Hardaway, Lee, Quinn, and Frank all have a place in the league. The problem is that none of them are good shot creators or actually very good at any one thing. They all are essentially role players at this point.

With KP healthy,this team is a 37-39 win squad, which is mediocre. Not atrocious. Which actually might hinder us....since we are building around KP in a sub-optimal way. Drafting in the mid lottery and signing role player to big contracts is a great way to never pair KP with the star he needs to contend. We'd have been better off without Kanter, Lee, and THJ so we won 28 games with KP or even less without him. Hopefully next season we sneak into that top 5. IDK.

No we weren’t.
Did you forget this team was on an 8 game losing streak when he went down?

This team is not brand new. They have BEEN garbage. KP hasn’t even been down for 2 months.

Yeah but that was without THJ, who was definitely our 2nd best player. I mean when totally healthy the team is slightly below average. Again, nothing to write home about.

[god shammgod]

The dude that likes the Tim Hardaway signing is questioning other people's sanity. Jesus..

Below is the list of players in the league making 15-20 million this year (in descending salary order)...

George Hill
Ryan Anderson
Paul George
Allen Crabbe
Jimmy Butler
Jeff Teague
Kawhi Leonard
Kyrie Irving
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
Greg Monroe
Wesley Matthews
Klay Thompson
Joakim Noah
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Luol Deng
Evan Turner
Goran Dragic
Evan Fournier
Bismack Biyombo
Kent Bazemore
Robert Covington
Ian Mahinmi
Tim Hardaway
Draymond Green
Tristan Thompson
Reggie Jackson
Pau Gasol
Tobias Harris
Dwyane Wade
Dennis Schroder
Jonas Valanciunas
Tony Parker
Timofey Mozgov

In all honesty, how many of those players are actually outplaying/outproducing Timmy right now? Facts are he's playing right at his market value because he'd be right in the middle of that list if you were to rank them if you're not being a biased clown about Timmy... So please spare me the THJ sucks bs.

I don't read every post so I don't know who is saying he sucks, but I got the impression people were saying mostly that at the beginning of a rebuild his contract may have been more than necessary at this juncture.

He's a legit scorer and probably is at market value right now, so I think the criticisms are more about Mills than Tim.

most of the players better than him on the list also happen to be on good teams. that's not a coincidence. if your point is a lot players are making as much as timmy who are equally as mediocre, that's true. that still doesn't make it a smart thing to do. there are more people working in nba front offices that are making bad investments than good ones. we're not the only inept franchise.

i quoted you clyde but it's really not for you. sorry.