Tom Thibodeau To The Knicks 90% Likely!

[WargamesX]

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Lol berman

Thibs fit none of those teams, especially the Rockets.

Also I don't think the Rockets would be out shopping for a new coach before there was a declaration the playoffs weren't happening. D'antoni is still there.

[robillionaire]

I would like thibs better if we were actually in a position to win instead of being the worst team in the nba. we should be trying to develop players and rebuild. when has he done that

[3toheadmelo]

I would like thibs better if we were actually in a position to win instead of being the worst team in the nba. we should be trying to develop players and rebuild. when has he done that

Well he did help develop D Rose, Butler, Zach Lavine. Better than nothing I guess lol

[WargamesX]

I would like thibs better if we were actually in a position to win instead of being the worst team in the nba. we should be trying to develop players and rebuild. when has he done that

I think he could develop players. Noah, Butler, and Rose all became better with him as a coach. I keep thinking is his current bad reputation based on his coaching or did he mess up going to the Wolves where the roster didn't fit his coaching style, and then using his FO power to try and make the roster fit his coaching style.

For example, his heavy minute load is not what you want to do to older players. Which is why the rumor of the Nets looking at him doesn't make sense.

[mpharris36]

I would like thibs better if we were actually in a position to win instead of being the worst team in the nba. we should be trying to develop players and rebuild. when has he done that

people use that he developed Rose and Butler. But Rose was the sure fire #1 pick and Butler was a crazy worker.

I agree with you. If we were ready to start winning I probably would feel differently. But we are still in the player development faze. I think we are at least 2 years from winning. And are team should be really young this year. I would rather have a coach known for player development like Kenny Atkinson.

[Nbabrothers]

While I’m watching the Knicks vs heat game five on knicks rewind, my close second for coach would be Jeff Van Gundy. They are both defensive minded coaches and hold players responsible for their assignments.

[F N 11]

Everybody else trying to deal with these times and Berman still got time to assume in articles. I know what expected means. Berman named an available coach and 3 teams that may be looking at Thibs. Great Journalism......

[Zenzibar]

Wolves fan stopping by in peace. Stay away from Thibs. He's still stuck in the 90s and refuses to change.

We had that one okay season not because of him but because of Jimmy Butler, who is a top 10-15 player in this league and some nights even better.

Thibs will give you the following:

After training camp he'll have the players he likes and he'll play them a ton of minutes no matter what and the players he dislikes who won't get out of his doghouse.
This is disastrous esp. for young players because even if they do well in the sparse minutes they'll get, they won't be rewarded.

He'll favor a guard centric offense above a forward centric offense 10/10 times. It is frustrating.

He's still icing pick and rolls which is an outdated schemes, resulting in more 3s for the opponent.

He'll constantly scream at your players shame them for every mistake, while playing good is simply 'doing their jobs' for him.
Only some gritty vets and/or masochists like this. I don't think people should be treated that way. Dario Saric btw was with the team for months and Thibs has never spoken to him personally.

After Thibs was fired, Jim Petersen our beloved colour analyst and (apparantly) a very nice, positive and sympathetic human being spoke about the atmosphere of pressure and constant fear of making mistakes Thibs created not only within the team but in the whole organization.

Sure you can say everybody was just soft, but I think good coaches should adapt to the players they have - their skills and also their personalities. Thibs on the other hand will force his way on your team if you like it or not.

Thanks. That's what I've seen as well. In Chicago he had a stacked team that although very good i.e. "contenders" never made serious runs at a title.

He will demand trades for a veteran that would destroy what ever foundation the Knicks are building. I say GTFOH to Thibs all-day, every-day.

He's a pilot for one of these:



in a time of these:

[WargamesX]

I am stuck between Kenny and Thibs. I like Kenny more for where the knicks are, and Thibs is a LolKnicks redux as the “big name” candidate. Kenny is good for development of players and has patience to grind with a team until they improve.

However, there is a aspect to Thib’s story where I have to wonder if he isn’t maybe a great coach who went on a bad run.

Similar to D’antoni when he was in NY. We didn’t have the roster D’antoni needed and as soon as we got it with Amare before Melo the knicks looked good. We then traded for Melo and it was like he knew he was destined to fail. Same thing when he went to LAL they didn’t have the roster he needs. He went to a team with a roster that had pieces he need and he’s looking like a great coach again.

The knicks on the low might have the pieces already to run Thibs system like the Rockets had the pieces to run D’antoni system.

[thebuzzardman]

Some Knick fans when Fizzle was about to be hired "OMG, We got a hard working Riley coaching tree guy! It'll be great!!!"
Some Knick fans when Thibs might be coach "OMG, this hardworking Riley tree coaching is outdated!!!!"

[HarthorneWingo]

Wolves fan stopping by in peace. Stay away from Thibs. He's still stuck in the 90s and refuses to change.

We had that one okay season not because of him but because of Jimmy Butler, who is a top 10-15 player in this league and some nights even better.

Thibs will give you the following:

After training camp he'll have the players he likes and he'll play them a ton of minutes no matter what and the players he dislikes who won't get out of his doghouse.
This is disastrous esp. for young players because even if they do well in the sparse minutes they'll get, they won't be rewarded.

He'll favor a guard centric offense above a forward centric offense 10/10 times. It is frustrating.

He's still icing pick and rolls which is an outdated schemes, resulting in more 3s for the opponent.

He'll constantly scream at your players shame them for every mistake, while playing good is simply 'doing their jobs' for him.
Only some gritty vets and/or masochists like this. I don't think people should be treated that way. Dario Saric btw was with the team for months and Thibs has never spoken to him personally.

After Thibs was fired, Jim Petersen our beloved colour analyst and (apparantly) a very nice, positive and sympathetic human being spoke about the atmosphere of pressure and constant fear of making mistakes Thibs created not only within the team but in the whole organization.

Sure you can say everybody was just soft, but I think good coaches should adapt to the players they have - their skills and also their personalities. Thibs on the other hand will force his way on your team if you like it or not.

Thank you for your service!

[Knick4Real]

If we go with Thibs, KAT would never be in our future.

[WargamesX]

If we go with Thibs, KAT would never be in our future.

KAT is probably very much not in our future already.

[HarthorneWingo]

If we go with Thibs, KAT would never be in our future.

KAT is probably very much not in our future already.

Unless you want to trade Mitch, RJ, Randle (yet!), and some picks. I’d rather keep Mitch and try and trade for Ingram.

[moocow007]

If the plan is to rebuild the traditional way then it would not make sense. So the question that is being missed is...who actually is still trying to convince themselves that the Knicks are going that route? You can hold your breath till you're blue in the face and we can talk ideal all we want and that won't mean diddly.

This move is clearly an attempt to do what they've been doing for 20 years now. This is Larry Brown. This is David Fizdale. Both those moves failed miserably because the front office was unable to make the moves necessary to compliment the coaches and were unable to leverage the names to attract free agents.

Was that Steve Mills incompetence? Quite possibly and more likely than not probably. What I'd like to find out is if Leon Rose can do (significantly) better. There is no such thing as perfect but there is such as thing as being able to start from the same point and either end up good or bad depending on the things you do from step 1.

I would guess that the Knicks will not be "simply" making their draft picks and hoping for the best. Rather I'd expect Leon Rose to start making moves, potentially significant moves, that go far beyond the draft.

I would recommend folks get prepared to be wowed or disappointed very quickly once the season is officially over. I would not be surprised if this team is transformed in the next couple seasons and a whole new team is on the floor. That would be a scenario which may actually fit Thibs than what many of you may be hoping for.

[moocow007]

If we go with Thibs, KAT would never be in our future.

KAT is probably very much not in our future already.

Honestly...guys that are bitching about the vets the Knicks have had will be bitching about Towns too if he ended up with the Knicks so that may be a good thing for both sides. Grass is greener, the other teams players better...then once you're on the same side and that player is on the same team you watch night after night...you start seeing all the flaws.

[moocow007]

Some Knick fans when Fizzle was about to be hired "OMG, We got a hard working Riley coaching tree guy! It'll be great!!!"
Some Knick fans when Thibs might be coach "OMG, this hardworking Riley tree coaching is outdated!!!!"

Humans. Gotta love them? Lol

[moocow007]

As far as the Wolves and Thibs failures...

And the Wolves have done what since Thibs was fired? They've actually gotten worse (yeah they really have). It is quite possible that its just a bad team and that there's not anything anyone could have done to make them any better. Maybe, just maybe, the great Karl Anthony Towns just simply is not a player that you can win with as a centerpiece of your team? Something to consider for those that ran Carmelo Anthony out of town but want Towns in a Knicks uniform?

So, yes, Thibs has his faults, may very much be overrated and his system may not ideally fit the modern NBA but the Wolves tenure isn't dead on proof cause that was just an ass team that has turned into a bigger ass since he left. Before anyone says anything about Thibs the GM...see Phil Jackson (both made the same amount of sense and resulted in the same kind of fruitlessness).

And no im not saying the Knicks should hire him but folks getting too carried away here.

[knickstape4ever]

Don't want Thibs

His act might not play well w/ younger players (as we saw in MIN) and his teams consistently rank toward the bottom of the league in 3PT attempts; he hasn't adapted to today's spacing

Hire Kenny Atkinson; he's proven he can develop young players in today's game (and he had less to work with in BKN)

Also, pretty sure KAT hated Thibs.....and isn't KAT supposedly on the Knicks short list of stars they'd want to acquire if they ask out? You'd think that's something Knicks brass would care about considering they seem motivated to land a star, tho I still think they need to focus on drafting/developing (and maybe a star signs in 2021 or via trade w/o gutting the team)

[WargamesX]

As far as the Wolves and Thibs failures...

And the Wolves have done what since Thibs was fired? They've actually gotten worse (yeah they really have). It is quite possible that its just a bad team and that there's not anything anyone could have done to make them any better. Maybe, just maybe, the great Karl Anthony Towns just simply is not a player that you can win with as a centerpiece of your team? Something to consider for those that ran Carmelo Anthony out of town but want Towns in a Knicks uniform?

So, yes, Thibs has his faults, may very much be overrated and his system may not ideally fit the modern NBA but the Wolves tenure isn't dead on proof cause that was just an ass team that has turned into a bigger ass since he left. Before anyone says anything about Thibs the GM...see Phil Jackson (both made the same amount of sense and resulted in the same kind of fruitlessness).

And no im not saying the Knicks should hire him but folks getting too carried away here.

Yeah that’s my thing too it’s hard to judge him because he went to the wolves. That’s like saying D’antoni is a bad coach because of what happened when he coached the Knicks. D’antoni is a flawed coach, but the FO never gave him what he needed to even halfway succeed except for half a season of Amare before the Melo trade. Thibs went to Minny and then as a FO made trades and FA signing to try and get the people he needed. However, even his older players were well old, and well it was a mess.

His results in the front office was abysmal and he should own all blame for that. However, his coaching tenure might not have been his fault only. He was able to get some short term success as a coach with Jimmy, but Jimmy hated his team mates.

A more realistic approach is to say Thibs is a flawed coach, but he’s not a outright bad coach. We’ve had outright bad coaches in Fisher, Hornacek, and Fizdale. There is a push for Kenny Atkinson too and he is also a flawed coach. Both of them are examples of pick your poisons.