2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[newyorker4ever]

Conspiracy theory: They released the virus so that they could finally rig the lottery for Knicks again behind closed doors

It would be just the Knicks luck to get the #1 pick in a draft that has no superstar players in it. We were the top 3 in the odds last year and then wqhen it got down to 3 teams left we had the best odds of the 3 teams and still couldn't get the #1 pick or even the #2 pick to be able to draft Ja Morant, they probably would of drafted Barrett over Ja anyway cause.........Knicks.

the other 2 of the bottom 3 teams with the same 14% odds we had ended up dropping back 3 spots to 5th and 6th so it could have been worse as far as I'm concerned we were lucky to get 3rd instead of 5th there was a 47.9% chance to pick 5th

also RJ is going to be a good player and i'd rather have lamelo than ja morant

Don't get me wrong cause i'm also happy with getting that 3rd spot to get the 3rd best player but i'm just saying that with the Knicks luck it just so happened that we fell out of the top 2 spots where the best two players were sitting and as of now it seems like a pretty wide margin from Zion and Ja to RJ. I'm happy we got RJ but would of much rather have got one of the other two. I'm just talking Knicks luck here. Like how we miss the best players by one spot like the S.Curry draft or how the lottery changes the year we have the worst record in the NBA when we would of obviously had a much better chance at getting that top pick and Zion.

[newyorker4ever]

Conspiracy theory: They released the virus so that they could finally rig the lottery for Knicks again behind closed doors

It would be just the Knicks luck to get the #1 pick in a draft that has no superstar players in it. We were the top 3 in the odds last year and then wqhen it got down to 3 teams left we had the best odds of the 3 teams and still couldn't get the #1 pick or even the #2 pick to be able to draft Ja Morant, they probably would of drafted Barrett over Ja anyway cause.........Knicks.

This board hated Morant at draft time. It would have been a meltdown if we selected him

Now those same type of fans dont like Ball or Cole to a lesser extent.. hmmm

Not the whole board cause i made it well known on this board how much of a JA fan i was and it wasn't only me. Much of the board hated Ja but not all of us.

[WargamesX]

It would be just the Knicks luck to get the #1 pick in a draft that has no superstar players in it. We were the top 3 in the odds last year and then wqhen it got down to 3 teams left we had the best odds of the 3 teams and still couldn't get the #1 pick or even the #2 pick to be able to draft Ja Morant, they probably would of drafted Barrett over Ja anyway cause.........Knicks.

the other 2 of the bottom 3 teams with the same 14% odds we had ended up dropping back 3 spots to 5th and 6th so it could have been worse as far as I'm concerned we were lucky to get 3rd instead of 5th there was a 47.9% chance to pick 5th

also RJ is going to be a good player and i'd rather have lamelo than ja morant

Don't get me wrong cause i'm also happy with getting that 3rd spot to get the 3rd best player but i'm just saying that with the Knicks luck it just so happened that we fell out of the top 2 spots where the best two players were sitting and as of now it seems like a pretty wide margin from Zion and Ja to RJ. I'm happy we got RJ but would of much rather have got one of the other two. I'm just talking Knicks luck here. Like how we miss the best players by one spot like the S.Curry draft or how the lottery changes the year we have the worst record in the NBA when we would of obviously had a much better chance at getting that top pick and Zion.

Ja and Zion are both great, but I don’t think RJ is a that big of a drop off he just landed in the worst situation of the 3 players......

[Deeeez Knicks]

cole probably won't be as bad as people are making him out to be. almost getting trae young vibes with how much hate he gets leading up to the draft, probably going to end up embarrassing some folks. i was never really high on him and the criticisms of his season are mostly fair but I think we're deep into underrated territory. if we get him 7-10 I can't be mad at it although i'd still rather trade up

Yea a lot of people didn't like Trae either. Trae was better in college, but i think Cole can be good. He has some toughness, a good fighting mentality.

Trae was much better in college but I do see some similarities in their seasons. They both had stretches of really good and really bad games. Trae’s highs were higher and lows not as low but it’s still valid comparison IMo.

Trae had like 11 or 12 games before the NCAA figured him out. I remember the ESPN hype machine going crazy and as soon as he started playing better teams with NBA length he got locked up. Outside of Hezi, I don’t think anyone on the board were big Trae fans. I know I didn’t even want him to work out for us.

The opposite happened with Cole. After that first game, Cole had a bunch of stinkers. Until he got hurt only had like 3 good games. It helps that those good games were against Notre Dame, Michigan and Oregon. You can’t have 4/14 games against teams like Elon or 5/22 against UNC Wilmington and keep the press and talent evaluators happy. Cole’s was much better when he got back from injury was much better and played closer to Trae’s stats. Less ppg and assists but similar efficiency.

Yea, its probably not a good straight up player comp. But i think they went thru struggles for similar reasons...and think the way Trae has flourished in the nba, Cole can be good in his own way. Probably not as good of a scorer/passer and not as dynamic ...But can be good in his own way. seems like they both have games that should be better and translate well to the nba

[Gravy]

the other 2 of the bottom 3 teams with the same 14% odds we had ended up dropping back 3 spots to 5th and 6th so it could have been worse as far as I'm concerned we were lucky to get 3rd instead of 5th there was a 47.9% chance to pick 5th

also RJ is going to be a good player and i'd rather have lamelo than ja morant

Don't get me wrong cause i'm also happy with getting that 3rd spot to get the 3rd best player but i'm just saying that with the Knicks luck it just so happened that we fell out of the top 2 spots where the best two players were sitting and as of now it seems like a pretty wide margin from Zion and Ja to RJ. I'm happy we got RJ but would of much rather have got one of the other two. I'm just talking Knicks luck here. Like how we miss the best players by one spot like the S.Curry draft or how the lottery changes the year we have the worst record in the NBA when we would of obviously had a much better chance at getting that top pick and Zion.

Ja and Zion are both great, but I don’t think RJ is a that big of a drop off he just landed in the worst situation of the 3 players......

It would have been awkward fits for RJ in Memphis and NO too. Memphis already has Dillon Brooks, Crowder and JJJ at the positions RJ plays at. Morant was a perfect fit in a position of need for them. Pelicans have Ingram and Jrue, RJ would struggle to get minutes there too.

[WargamesX]

Don't get me wrong cause i'm also happy with getting that 3rd spot to get the 3rd best player but i'm just saying that with the Knicks luck it just so happened that we fell out of the top 2 spots where the best two players were sitting and as of now it seems like a pretty wide margin from Zion and Ja to RJ. I'm happy we got RJ but would of much rather have got one of the other two. I'm just talking Knicks luck here. Like how we miss the best players by one spot like the S.Curry draft or how the lottery changes the year we have the worst record in the NBA when we would of obviously had a much better chance at getting that top pick and Zion.

Ja and Zion are both great, but I don’t think RJ is a that big of a drop off he just landed in the worst situation of the 3 players......

It would have been awkward fits for RJ in Memphis and NO too. Memphis already has Dillon Brooks, Crowder and JJJ at the positions RJ plays at. Morant was a perfect fit in a position of need for them. Pelicans have Ingram and Jrue, RJ would struggle to get minutes there too.

I wasn’t comparing the teams, I was talking more about the horrible spacing for his drives, bad PG play, and Randle and Morris both needing shots. Also you are right both the Grizzlies and Pelicans fit Ja and Zion’s games a lot better.

If we had reliable 3 pt shooters to create space I think RJ would have had a much better season and shown why he was considered the third best player in his draft.

[RHODEY]

I watched one game of cole where he was making beautiful passes but his teammates had it going. nothing fancy but he had a good balance of scoring and passing.

Could him not trusting his teammates enough have something to do with the lack of overall passing or is it just him lacking the ability to consistently see the plays or a little of both?

Seriously Tre Jones is better than Coleslaw

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Dont do this to yourself Rhodey Cole is %99 a Knick better start hoping he develops to be our Lil Dame lol

Doing my best to change fate...

[HarthorneWingo]

The dude averaged 6.3 ppg 3.0 assists on poor efficiency. I am not sure why you are putting high expectations on Frank like he is about to breakout and be a top guard in the league. He is about to enter his 4th year in the league and has shown minimal growth since his rookie year.

Frank isn’t done developing. He’s getting better. But it’s clear that he’s a bench player and nothing more than that.

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/knicks-should-extend-frank-ntilikina

When trying to set a market for what Ntilikina could get on an extension, it's important to try to find some players that profile similarly to him statistically, as well as ones that clearly hadn't reached anything close to their full potential by the end of the third season of their rookie contract. With that in mind, three players that signed rookie extensions in the last few years come to mind: Dante Exum, Justise Winslow and Marcus Smart.

All three were similar to Ntilikina in many ways (and in some ways, still are): great NBA bodies, unclear ideal roles, good-to-great defenders, and occasional flashes of sheer brilliance that were enough to make people salivate at their potential.

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Winslow, similarly [to Exum], has had his issues staying on the court. He set his high-water mark for games played his rookie year with 78, and since then has played 18, 68 and 66 games before only playing 11 this season. Still, though, Winslow was seemingly unlocked in his fourth season after he signed his three-year, $39 million extension (with a team option on the third year) when Spoelstra moved him to point guard, proving the Heat right for believing in him. Now his next time suiting up will be for the Grizzlies, who might get to reap the rewards of a young, efficient point forward on a value contract.

Smart, though, provides perhaps the best template for how Ntilikina's career could go with the Knicks. Smart, like Ntilikina, has lived through tons of personnel changes on the Celtics and has been their one constant. He put up similar numbers to Ntilikina in his first three seasons, albeit being trusted with a much higher minutes load, before signing a four-year, $52 million extension off of his rookie deal.

Since then, Smart has been a key piece on a number of Celtics playoff teams — not a star, by any means, but the essential perimeter defender that almost all good teams have. He's also shot 35.6% from deep on the first two years of his extension, a number that should probably be an attainable benchmark for Ntilikina in the coming seasons.

So what would be the sweet spot for a Ntilikina extension? Probably somewhere in the Exum range, but perhaps even less than that, given that he (for whatever reason) hasn't gotten the same type of hype as a prospect as some of the others on this list.

If the Knicks could sign him to something like a three-year, $24 million deal, they shouldn't let Ntilikina's agent hang up the phone. Look no further than Ntilikina's 20-point, 10-assist game the other day: this kid isn't even close to being done growing as a player, and securing him to a value contract before his shot finds some consistency will be key. The Knicks shouldn't let him play out his fourth season, show even more promise, and then have to match a large offer sheet for him next summer in restricted free agency.

Yikes comparing him to Dante Exum does him no favors. He also has a long way to go to be like Smart. Same for Winslow.

It wasn't just Exum. Read the large print. C'mon man, anyone can tell that Frank is better than Exum at this point in their careers. Besides, Exum has had a lot of Injuries. Frank has had some of his own. I think you're failing to give proper weight what happens on the defensive end of the court. Plus, if you pair Frank with Halliburton. If RJ is the one who really has to improve his offensive efficiency. He's supposed to be a high level scorer.

[robillionaire]

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/knicks-should-extend-frank-ntilikina

Yikes comparing him to Dante Exum does him no favors. He also has a long way to go to be like Smart. Same for Winslow.

C'mon man, anyone can tell that Frank is better than Exum at this point in their careers

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[HarthorneWingo]

Yikes comparing him to Dante Exum does him no favors. He also has a long way to go to be like Smart. Same for Winslow.

C'mon man, anyone can tell that Frank is better than Exum at this point in their careers

If I believe it, yes.

[3toheadmelo]

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robillionaire right now

[HEZI]

I am coming around on the Cole train.

Not my top pick, but where we are likley to pick he makes a lot of sense

[WargamesX]

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So since it’s Chad Ford..... we’re now clearly not getting LaMelo

[HEZI]

Not gonna lie, I was with ya until I saw Wood lol. Hard hard major pass on him.

Would be the best core piece we could sign through free agency, just need to find a dumping ground for Randle. Make it happen Rose. Add a sniper wing to the mix and we got something

What would you think about trading for Myles Turner for our PF spot? I saw something somewhere that he could be on the trade block. He can shoot the 3 ball, is good around the basket and blocks shots.

PG--Cole Anthony
SG--RJ Barrett
SF--A.Nesmith/K.Knox
PF--M.Turner
C---M.Robinson

If we can't get Nesmith with thta Clippers pick then maybe go defense with Patrick Williams (FSU) or S.Bey, T.Bey or go all in and use the Clippers pick and more to trade up for Deni Adija, Isaac Okoro, Jaden McDaniels. Unless K.Knox can take that next step and take the starting SF spot.

It really depends on what the cost would be to get him. If the asking price is something reasonable then he could be a guy we target but we can sign Wood for simply cap space and save those assets for a wing upgrade if possible.

[HEZI]

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So since it’s Chad Ford..... we’re now clearly not getting LaMelo

[WargamesX]

Realistically how does that Chad Ford rumor start and the draft order hasn’t even been set yet?

It doesn’t make sense

[TheGreenArrow]

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Get This **** Done Leon&Brock!!!!!

[jvsimonetti0514]

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It was always going to be LaMelo or Cole. My gut feeling was that we were never going to make that clippers pick unless we moved up.

[DaGawd]

Trading next year's first to get LaMelo would be stupid af assuming we need to even move up when the draft order is set