2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[malik959]

Yep! That’s probably a good thing for Deni. Playing with guys that have been to the league and in Amare’s case had great success at points in his career. I’m sure they can help him get an idea of the work ethic needed to succeed and what to expect when he makes the jump

I like dat kid! He look like he can B an offensive juggernaut. But how is dat D?

He’ll have to adjust to the NBA as far as physicality and quality of defense more than likely. But in certain aspects we might see him surprise, like KP with tip slams due to lack of boxing out in the NBA.

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It is nice to see he’s willing to work extremely hard. You can see that in this picture and you can see it in the strides he has made with his jump shot. The form looks significantly better. I really like how he plays. Surprisingly fast for a 3/4 on the break, sneaky rim protection ability, can handle the ball pretty damn well for his size, can pass, etc

STAT has him taking wine baths.

[knickstape4ever]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

[moocow007]

Any scouting video that cites Wiseman’s lack of commitment and drive is lazy analysis in my view. Sorry not sorry.

You have to dig deeper to see how Wiseman took defeats in HS and how he locked himself in the gym working on his FTs as this was a reason for one of those losses.

Also one criticism on him back in HS was his lack of motor which is now actually one of his strengths.

Doesn’t mean that if you have a calm demeanor you lack that competitive drive.

I read that analysis as relative not absolute. Hes comparing the two and saying what each guys has above the other. In that instance Okongwu would pretty much beat just about any other player in this draft. I wouldn't take that as a total slight on Wiseman. Heck I voted for Wiseman ahead of Okongwu (and even ahead of Hayes) and I agree with what the guy says. And Wiseman isn't always the most engaged and he does settle at times (that's the honus when you're that physically gifted). If Wiseman played with the same intensity and motor as Okongwu he'd be the sure bet no.1 pick not just in this draft but just about any draft. That hes not even the consensus no.1 in a weak draft says something.

Nah I’ve read that as absolute but could be just me.

A survey conducted by the Stadium revealed that 20 out of 35 league executives said they would be drafting Wiseman with the number 1 pick with the next guy only half of the votes he tallied. I don’t know if there was something wrong with their methodology but am not surprised at all with the result.

If he had played a full season and was not suspended I have little doubt he would have been consensus #1.

I don't disagree on Wisemans position had he played a full season. I said he'd likely have been the Wooden Award winner. Its really a testament to just how dominant Wiseman is even if you don't like his motor compared to a guy like Okongwu. Ive said if Wiseman gets dialed in he would be the top pick in just about any draft. The whole suspension thing definitely hurt him. And this vid is more for me a testament of how good a player like Okongwu is if he actually can be compared to Wiseman than a slight on Wiseman. I would be tickled pink if the Knicks end up with Wiseman.

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[moocow007]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

IMO they should be focused on getting the BPA at 27. Just like they should at 6 or whenever they pick. If that BPA is a shooter, great.

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[Signature NYK]

Zenz I would like to throw my name out as VP of the Tyrell Terry fan club! Wouldn’t be fair for anyone else to be President because you’re all in!

After LaMelo and Killian, our guy Terry is going to be that Walt Perrin type pick. The T2 club.

We'll need moral support my Dude to hang in there with this pick no matter what .

Knicks on the clock at 6

RealGM - Alright, let’s grab Kira Lewis and move on to the Clippers pick

Zenz and I-

RealGM-

(side note love this show and this scene)

The Wire is top 5 and its not 5 lol

[Zenzibar]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

IMO they should be focused on getting the BPA at 27. Just like they should at 6 or whenever they pick. If that BPA is a shooter, great.

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It's a meh move if you just sit there and hope, when you can buddle the last two picks and slide into the teens.

[mpharris36]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

they would have to move up to the lottery to get one of those guys.

[Strick]

After LaMelo and Killian, our guy Terry is going to be that Walt Perrin type pick. The T2 club.

We'll need moral support my Dude to hang in there with this pick no matter what .

Knicks on the clock at 6

RealGM - Alright, let’s grab Kira Lewis and move on to the Clippers pick

Zenz and I-

RealGM-

(side note love this show and this scene)

The Wire is top 5 and its not 5 lol

Crazy all the different lenses they show that impact the community. It really was ahead of it’s time. Great action and plenty of humor as well. I have the Wire and Sopranos 1 and 2 could go in any order. GoT had a chance of sneaking in there but it fell off for me. Breaking bad was another great one but not as good as the Wire and Sopranos IMO

[2010]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

I like Nesmith

[knickstape4ever]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

IMO they should be focused on getting the BPA at 27. Just like they should at 6 or whenever they pick. If that BPA is a shooter, great.

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It's a meh move if you just sit there and hope, when you can buddle the last two picks and slide into the teens.

or take on salary in order to move up. the FO should take advantage of having cap space by using it to move up and/or acquire more picks, something they should have done last offseason

I'd look at a team like the Magic as a target for their 1st rounder (either via trade or trade up). at the moment, they have the 8th highest payroll (121.1M) for 2020/2021, and for a 7/8 seed in a small market, they could be looking to cut salary. Also they didn't sign their 2019 1st rounder Chuma Okeke, which they are going to do now that he is fully healthy. They might not want to pay 2 1st rounders, given their cap situation and the effect on league revenue/the cap due to covid

[knickstape4ever]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

they would have to move up to the lottery to get one of those guys.

potentially, but it'd doable. Jazz moved up from #24 to #13 for Mitchell and the cost was just Trey Lyles (who was coming off a poor sophomore season)

I'd try to use the cap space angle of taking on a contract to move up, but maybe some other team wants DSJ, I doubt it, but maybe

[Richard4444]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

IMO they should be focused on getting the BPA at 27. Just like they should at 6 or whenever they pick. If that BPA is a shooter, great.

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I agree picking the BPA if there are a clear better player available. The problem is that there are many player in the same tier and at the end fit will decide.

[mpharris36]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

they would have to move up to the lottery to get one of those guys.

potentially, but it'd doable. Jazz moved up from #24 to #13 for Mitchell and the cost was just Trey Lyles (who was coming off a poor sophomore season)

I'd try to use the cap space angle of taking on a contract to move up, but maybe some other team wants DSJ, I doubt it, but maybe

if we move up from 27 into the backhalf of the lottery for DSJ I would literally do cartwheels around my house.

[moocow007]

w/ the #27 pick, the FO should prioritize moving up to land 1 of the top shooters: Nesmith, Vassell, Bey

IMO they should be focused on getting the BPA at 27. Just like they should at 6 or whenever they pick. If that BPA is a shooter, great.

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It's a meh move if you just sit there and hope, when you can buddle the last two picks and slide into the teens.

OH sure. If we can move up absolutely. My point was more, if they are stuck at 27 pick BPA. Basically, wherever they pick, pick BPA. If it's a shooter then fine. If it's not then it's not. You can find shooters in free agency so you don't have to 'must draft a shooter'.

[robillionaire]

someone good and unexpected will be there at 27 and if we get our PG with our initial pick I'd probably just wait and see who falls, but if we give up something to move up, I hope it's to take someone who we thought would go top 10 that falls down there or if not maybe a raw talent with upside like hampton or a lower tier PG like cole kira maxey or terry if they are still there and we missed out on a PG with the first pick

[3toheadmelo]

someone good and unexpected will be there at 27 and if we get our PG with our initial pick I'd probably just wait and see who falls, but if we give up something to move up, I hope it's to take someone who we thought would go top 10 that falls down there or if not maybe a raw talent with upside like hampton or a lower tier PG like cole kira maxey or terry if they are still there and we missed out on a PG with the first pick

I doubt any of those guys will be there. The only other PG I see falling to 27 would be Theo Maledon aka Malekina

[robillionaire]

someone good and unexpected will be there at 27 and if we get our PG with our initial pick I'd probably just wait and see who falls, but if we give up something to move up, I hope it's to take someone who we thought would go top 10 that falls down there or if not maybe a raw talent with upside like hampton or a lower tier PG like cole kira maxey or terry if they are still there and we missed out on a PG with the first pick

I doubt any of those guys will be there. The only other PG I see falling to 27 would be Theo Maledon aka Malekina

I agree those guys probably won't be there at 27. That's why I would target them if we traded up. I would be looking to find value and not reach

as far as PG who might be there at 27, maledon, terry, nico mannion, maybe tre jones, but I don't think they are sure fire starters. if we stay at 27 I would just be looking to select the BPA as someone else mentioned

Pokusevski and Bolmaro might be a couple to watch at 27 as well as ramsey, stewart, josh green, jalen smith, or achiuwa

[3toheadmelo]

someone good and unexpected will be there at 27 and if we get our PG with our initial pick I'd probably just wait and see who falls, but if we give up something to move up, I hope it's to take someone who we thought would go top 10 that falls down there or if not maybe a raw talent with upside like hampton or a lower tier PG like cole kira maxey or terry if they are still there and we missed out on a PG with the first pick

I doubt any of those guys will be there. The only other PG I see falling to 27 would be Theo Maledon aka Malekina

I agree those guys probably won't be there at 27. That's why I would target them if we traded up. I would be looking to find value and not reach

as far as PG who might be there at 27, maledon, terry, nico mannion, maybe tre jones, but I don't think they are sure fire starters. if we stay at 27 I would just be looking to select the BPA as someone else mentioned

Pokusevski and Bolmaro might be a couple to watch at 27 as well as ramsey, stewart, josh green, jalen smith, or achiuwa

I think Achiuwa is going lottery

But I am hoping my guy Karim Mane stays in the draft and we can scoop him up with our 2nd round pick. I like his potential more than all the other PG’s in the 27 range and a couple other lottery guys

[3toheadmelo]

Toppin and Haliburton has been working on their weaknesses

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Haliburton: Everything. Get better at everything I do, especially stuff off the bounce. That's a big knock on my game. That will put me in the best position to play this game for a long time and be successful early and in the long term.

Toppin: When I worked out with NBA teams last summer, I was told to work on my shot consistency. I'm taking a lot of consecutive shots in a row. Working on hip mobility defensively, I can move a lot quicker and guard different positions instead of just the 4 and 5. Finishing around the rim -- everyone knows I can get up and dunk, but finishing with soft touches around the rim.

Working out with Myles Powell, being able to guard that type of player -- he's a great guard. Everyone knows what he did at Seton Hall. He's helping me a lot, forcing me to get low and really play defense. If I don't, he's going to destroy me every play.

[mpharris36]

Toppin and Haliburton has been working on their weaknesses

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Haliburton: Everything. Get better at everything I do, especially stuff off the bounce. That's a big knock on my game. That will put me in the best position to play this game for a long time and be successful early and in the long term.

Toppin: When I worked out with NBA teams last summer, I was told to work on my shot consistency. I'm taking a lot of consecutive shots in a row. Working on hip mobility defensively, I can move a lot quicker and guard different positions instead of just the 4 and 5. Finishing around the rim -- everyone knows I can get up and dunk, but finishing with soft touches around the rim.

Working out with Myles Powell, being able to guard that type of player -- he's a great guard. Everyone knows what he did at Seton Hall. He's helping me a lot, forcing me to get low and really play defense. If I don't, he's going to destroy me every play.