PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[3toheadmelo]

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Dame time folks????!!!!

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Knicks are definitely going star hunting. Woj said that recently

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Chanel Bomber]

we were up by 7 and up going into the 4th in game 1 and we choked at the end. games 1 and 2 were the only close games. then there were 3 blowouts. not sure what changed.

Rose got tired and couldn't make up for Randle and RJ being a complete no shows anymore.

maybe the 12 payton minutes were helping him stay rested

I always felt Burks was the logical choice, especially since Rose and IQ thrived coming off the bench during the winning streak while Burks was out with an injury.

I think our struggles had less to do with Payton being benched, than with Rose starting and getting tired playing that many minutes (which was particularly glaring on defense).

[thebuzzardman]

I hate everyone. I hope Trump gets re-elected.

[Gravy]

I didn't say anything of the sort. There were debates on a few talk shows on whether or not Thibodeau was a championship level coach given his success with the Bulls and the Knicks. I mentioned his antiquated style of coaching on the offensive end and also mentioned he can help losing franchises rebuild but he won't get you to a championship level.

He was a COY candidate this season and deservedly so but he's limited. He was in the perfect situation this season taking a team like this and overachieving.

He coaching a team with one pg who is over the hill, centers that cant score, and his two best players bricking shots. What more was he supposed to do?

You said his coaching philosophy on the offensive end isn't anitquated and you didn't back it up with any specifics. You mentioned players on the roster.

He decided to let Julius Randle run rampant in isolation sequences all series long. The moment Obi and IQ came into the game in the late 3rd, they played with more effort and the ball was moving freely between our players.

Obi was playing with more effort on both sides of the ball (albeit in limited time,) than Randle was. Obi misses one baseline jumper and he gets yanked out for Randle the moment they cut the lead down into single digits.

i didn't mention anything about the roster, I mentioned he has a very old fashioned and rudimentary coaching style on the offensive end. A heavy emphasis on post up's and isolation sequences. That won't get you far in this league. Maybe in 1994.

Obi and IQ were not saving us. No coach is going to bench by far their best player all year for Obi. They are going down with the ship with Randle, he earned it

Give Thibs a better roster and he will go farther in the playoffs, He did as much as he could with this one. People who keep saying IQ Frank and Obi are winning games for us are homers for the kids..(not you specifically)

[3toheadmelo]

Hopefully the sham curse doesn’t linger around in the off season

[dakomish23]

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he's not wrong

What do you think it was a warning of?

[K_ick_God]

Trae is good but Luka still way better.

[god shammgod]

the knicks shot to get a real difference maker was 2 years ago but they thought they could get kd without selling themselves to kyrie and the nets outsmarted them. there's only so many guys like that in the league and they're all situated now. maybe 2 or 3 years from now one wants a new situation. who knows. leon rose won't be here by then.

[NewKnicks]

Julius melted down.

But Thibs ruined us.

SERIES was tied 1-1 and coming off a win.

And then Thibs destroyed us.

He made Derrick Rose a starter.

Which

A.) Ruined our starting 5's chemistry.
B.) Absolutely ruined our backup unit.

Extremely fun regular season.

Most frustrating Playoff series ever.

The two guys that got us to the playoffs in Thibs and Julius; became the same two guys who sent us home and eliminated us.

I'm going to contradict myself but you're right. Thibs caved to the pressure from the media and the FaNs to remove Payton from the starting lineup. The same starting lineup we basically had all season, and were successful.

All the posters on this board who were clamoring for a change from Payton, well, you got it.

Such a stupid move. Stick with what got you here. People going insane trying to throw out STUPID stats and analytics claiming how GREAT the Knicks would be if they just stopped starting Payton. We all saw how much that was stopping us from being successful. IT WASNT. So Thibs get's an F- for listening to the media/fans.

Other than that, though, Thibs doesn't play on the court. If your two best players suck up the joint, there's not much you can do as a coach. But I'm sure this PG is gonna be filled with people blaming Thibs.

[snadler]

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[Oscirus]

Wolves and Pels absolutely have a brighter future than us. Let's not even mention the Hawks, Mavs, or any other team that has drafted high in the past few years and now has legit game changing talent.

Who do you think will walk through that door to rescue the team in a trade or FA?

A step forward to what? Let's talk next year when the Knicks are committed to Julius on an extension as well as Bullock and god knows what other overpaid signing... and fighting for a play-in spot.

What are you basing the wolves and the pels having brighter futures than us on? Zions gonna go the way of davis and paul before too long and the wolves are at best a fun team.

More talent... Franchise altering talent. Your optimism about the Knicks is hypothetical. As currently constituted, talent/assets-wise, our future is more bleak. And if history has taught us anything Zion/whoever else will force themselves to a warm weather city.

We made the playoffs with less talented teams, they're constantly going into the lottery and not improving. Hell the wolves coach that couldnt coach them coached us to a playoffs in his first season. I like our future much better than either of those two.

[WargamesX]

I hate everyone. I hope Trump gets re-elected.

Haven’t enough people died......

[GONYK]

Rose got tired and couldn't make up for Randle and RJ being a complete no shows anymore.

maybe the 12 payton minutes were helping him stay rested

I always felt Burks was the logical choice, especially since Rose and IQ thrived coming off the bench during the winning streak while Burks was out with an injury.

I think our struggles had less to do with Payton being benched, than with Rose starting and getting tired playing that many minutes (which was particularly glaring on defense).

We essentially did get Burks. He was the player staggered in with the starters so Rose could rest.

[Im Coming Home]

Rose got tired and couldn't make up for Randle and RJ being a complete no shows anymore.

maybe the 12 payton minutes were helping him stay rested

I always felt Burks was the logical choice, especially since Rose and IQ thrived coming off the bench during the winning streak while Burks was out with an injury.

I think our struggles had less to do with Payton being benched, than with Rose starting and getting tired playing that many minutes (which was particularly glaring on defense).

i feel like Frank is what Thibs pretended Payton was.. if he truly wanted defense out there to start the game and keep Rose off the bench, he could've played Frank those 8-12 mins a game to at least see how Frank did on Trae..

they had multiple games to try different options, IQ, Burks, Frank, but Thibs too stubborn to ever make more than even one adjustment, we were lucky he HAD to stop playing Payton.

[dakomish23]

TimberWolves, Kings, Pelicans, Cavs just to name a few. Then more just now approaching mediocrity. Like the Knicks. We took a step forward this season and some fans still complaining

Wolves and Pels absolutely have a brighter future than us. Let's not even mention the Hawks, Mavs, or any other team that has drafted high in the past few years and now has legit game changing talent.

Who do you think will walk through that door to rescue the team in a trade or FA?

A step forward to what? Let's talk next year when the Knicks are committed to Julius on an extension as well as Bullock and god knows what other overpaid signing... and fighting for a play-in spot.

Talent wise yes but the wolves FO is trash and the players don’t care about winning, the Pelicans are so badly built.

The Adams trade made zero sense across the board.

I wonder if they’re going big fish hunting too

[robillionaire]

Rose got tired and couldn't make up for Randle and RJ being a complete no shows anymore.

maybe the 12 payton minutes were helping him stay rested

I always felt Burks was the logical choice, especially since Rose and IQ thrived coming off the bench during the winning streak while Burks was out with an injury.

I think our struggles had less to do with Payton being benched, than with Rose starting and getting tired playing that many minutes (which was particularly glaring on defense).

I agree, it's not so much about Payton as it was keeping Rose fresh, and the 2nd unit just needed him.

[louisorr]

When the hell is July 29th

[BugginOut]

If you don’t think are guys aren’t going to be locked in this summer and coming back stronger then you haven’t been watching.

This loss, might be better for their development in the long term

I know NBA presidents and GMs are crazy but they're still sane enough to NOT count on a player who laid eggs 5 playoffs games in a row to be their team's franchise player.

This series just confirms to all 30 teams Randle can't be that franchise guy. If he's still our no 1 player at next season's opening night, expect same damn result.

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Funny thing is our season was going just fine, we were gonna get that top 5 pick (to replace Randle next season), then we killed it by bringing in DRose and it just went downhill from there. Our search for a true franchise player just gets dragged as long as we deny the importance of tanking to get that top lottery pick.

You are going to doubt the guy who just won MIP, to not comeback better and improve in a contract year?

It was Randle’s first time being the guy in the playoffs. No doubt in my mind he is better next year especially if we get him some help

[SelbyCobra]

Let's not forget the Knicks were down 13 at halftime in game 2.

The Knicks really played only one good half of basketball in this 5-game series.

We were outmatched, out-talented, and outcoached. It was never close.

Also put some respect on McMillan's name.

They were never as good as those super fun moments in the regular season felt, but they also aren't as bad as they looked in this series.

Even with such a horrific playoff showing, this Knicks team is miles better than anyone expected heading into this season - not just in terms of of their record, but their actual play and production. Randle was most often mentioned as a salary dump 9 months ago. RJ had talent, but was coming off an absolutely brutal shooting rookie season. Nobody except Mitch and Frank was expected to play a lick of defense. Even the most optimistic fans were stoked on some level that there were 3-4 legit top prospects in the coming draft because we were realistically expecting a terrible year.

They could have beaten the Hawks if they continued with their regular season production, but while I hoped for it and tried to talk myself into it, that was never probable to me. It sucks big time that they only gave us maybe 15 total minutes out of the 240 played this postseason of the great ball we saw frequently during the regular season, but this team just isn't that good for me personally to have expected it into the playoffs.

I'm curious and cautiously optimistic about what happens this offseason. There are pieces to play with and build on for the first time in a while. Hopefully they can get back to the same place next year, but be better vetted and prepared.